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I'm the culprit responsible for the uncited quote from the light keeper. Unfortunately, when I checked the sources I had included it wasn't there and a new search a few days later failed to find it. A Lundy websitesays the keeper "had to forcefully point out the Officers mistake" I'm pleased to see the article has been considerably expanded but whilst there are loads of references to the quotation now, I'm also concerned most look like copies of this article. Any suggestions? JRPG ( talk) 16:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I note
Unfortunately the Admiralty had no appropriate equipment and Wilson requested help from the Liverpool Salvage Company. Despite his own lack of expertise in this highly specialised area, Wilson unfortunately treated Salvage Company experts as junior partners and serious disagreements destroyed prospects of saving the ship.
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It seems an excellent summary for the utter chaos described in reference 18 (part below) which I had intended to cover both this sentence and the next.
By now the Montagu’s lower compartments were all flooded and the hull was grinding nastily against the rocks. The Navy had no salvage equipment so they sent for the Liverpool Salvage Company and their most experienced officer Capt. Young. Since they had asked for their help you would have thought the Navy would have let the Salvage Company get on with it, but no. Capt. Young was relegated to the status of assistant and the Admiralty put in their own man, Admiral Sir A.K.Wilson. Although he was a brilliant officer he was completely out of his depth when dealing with the salvage of such a large battleship. Almost at once he ordered a huge flotilla of ships to bring all sorts of gear to the site. Working parties of hundreds of seamen were put aboard the Montagu, all with conflicting agendas. The upshot was chaos and confusion with everybody getting in each other’s way whilst the ship sank lower and lower in the water. The arguments and conflicting ideas raged unchecked with Capt. Young of the Salvage Company being told to mind his manners. The last straw came when the Admiral seriously suggested that the Montagu be filled with cork and be allowed to float off on the high tide. It was by now obvious to all that the great battleship was lost and in desperation the Admiralty turned to Capt. Young to salvage something from the shambles.
A better reference -but not on line or in my collection is Admiralty Salvage in Peace & War 1906-2006: 'Grope, Grub and Tremble. reviewed here from which one can deduce that Admiralty salvage dates from this disaster, an indication that the previous policy was not deemed a success.
Simon Harley, are you ok if I add a separate citation after each sentence?
Good luck with your 150 anniversary project. JRPG ( talk) 12:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
JRPG ( talk) 09:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Apologies to user 94.1.4.15, I didn't recheck the source before reverting. Thanks to Simon Harley for correcting. JRPG ( talk) 08:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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I'll take this one as well. Comments:
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Design
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That's all I've got. Kges1901 ( talk) 01:54, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
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I'm the culprit responsible for the uncited quote from the light keeper. Unfortunately, when I checked the sources I had included it wasn't there and a new search a few days later failed to find it. A Lundy websitesays the keeper "had to forcefully point out the Officers mistake" I'm pleased to see the article has been considerably expanded but whilst there are loads of references to the quotation now, I'm also concerned most look like copies of this article. Any suggestions? JRPG ( talk) 16:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I note
Unfortunately the Admiralty had no appropriate equipment and Wilson requested help from the Liverpool Salvage Company. Despite his own lack of expertise in this highly specialised area, Wilson unfortunately treated Salvage Company experts as junior partners and serious disagreements destroyed prospects of saving the ship.
has been removed with the comment Removed text not supported by source
It seems an excellent summary for the utter chaos described in reference 18 (part below) which I had intended to cover both this sentence and the next.
By now the Montagu’s lower compartments were all flooded and the hull was grinding nastily against the rocks. The Navy had no salvage equipment so they sent for the Liverpool Salvage Company and their most experienced officer Capt. Young. Since they had asked for their help you would have thought the Navy would have let the Salvage Company get on with it, but no. Capt. Young was relegated to the status of assistant and the Admiralty put in their own man, Admiral Sir A.K.Wilson. Although he was a brilliant officer he was completely out of his depth when dealing with the salvage of such a large battleship. Almost at once he ordered a huge flotilla of ships to bring all sorts of gear to the site. Working parties of hundreds of seamen were put aboard the Montagu, all with conflicting agendas. The upshot was chaos and confusion with everybody getting in each other’s way whilst the ship sank lower and lower in the water. The arguments and conflicting ideas raged unchecked with Capt. Young of the Salvage Company being told to mind his manners. The last straw came when the Admiral seriously suggested that the Montagu be filled with cork and be allowed to float off on the high tide. It was by now obvious to all that the great battleship was lost and in desperation the Admiralty turned to Capt. Young to salvage something from the shambles.
A better reference -but not on line or in my collection is Admiralty Salvage in Peace & War 1906-2006: 'Grope, Grub and Tremble. reviewed here from which one can deduce that Admiralty salvage dates from this disaster, an indication that the previous policy was not deemed a success.
Simon Harley, are you ok if I add a separate citation after each sentence?
Good luck with your 150 anniversary project. JRPG ( talk) 12:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
JRPG ( talk) 09:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Apologies to user 94.1.4.15, I didn't recheck the source before reverting. Thanks to Simon Harley for correcting. JRPG ( talk) 08:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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I'll take this one as well. Comments:
Lead
Design
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Bibliography
That's all I've got. Kges1901 ( talk) 01:54, 23 December 2018 (UTC)