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There seems to be an element of confusion between sources as to the number of survivors of the sinking. The BBC article and Ken Otter's HMS Gloucester The Untold Story (2001) are in broad agreement, with the BBC stating "only 84 of the cruiser's crew survived in the water until the next day" while Ken Otter has "only 85 men... survived when the ship was destroyed" and "Only 83 survived to come home at the end of the war". However other sources, like David A Thomas' Crete 1941 the battle at sea (1972), state that "Germans had rescued more than 500 Gloucester men".
Ken Otter suggests this discrepancy is caused by some researchers taking speculation of contemporary sources as fact. A letter from Admiral Cunningham in July 1941 states, "I have not heard one word about any of the Gloucesters ship's company though there is a rumour, that the Germans broadcast, that 75% of them had been rescued".
I would suggest that future editors should be a little cautious if they come across another source with the 500 survivors claim.
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I have removed the following statement from the article:
I couldn't find any supporting evidence for the statement beyond the single source listed, so I made an effort to obtain a copy of Scrap Iron Destroyers; The story of H.M.A. ships Stuart, Vampire, Vendetta, Voyager and Waterhen ( ISBN 0909153043). The book makes it clear that Stuart, Vendetta and Voyager were ordered to pick up survivors from the Fiji, which they were unable to locate. There is no mention of any orders to search for the Gloucester. Road Wizard ( talk) 17:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
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That's all I've got. Placing on hold. Miyagawa ( talk) 16:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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I have removed a reference to "Shores 1987a, pp. 357–58" from the Sinking section. The text it was linked to was contradicted by several other sources, published both before and after Shores. Unfortunately I don't have access to Shores, so I can't reflect the source material in the article. If Shores has contradicted the other sources, this will need to be handled carefully in the article. For example, relevant text may be introduced with, "However, Shores (1987), states that (this other thing actually happened)." From Hill To Shore ( talk) 13:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
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There seems to be an element of confusion between sources as to the number of survivors of the sinking. The BBC article and Ken Otter's HMS Gloucester The Untold Story (2001) are in broad agreement, with the BBC stating "only 84 of the cruiser's crew survived in the water until the next day" while Ken Otter has "only 85 men... survived when the ship was destroyed" and "Only 83 survived to come home at the end of the war". However other sources, like David A Thomas' Crete 1941 the battle at sea (1972), state that "Germans had rescued more than 500 Gloucester men".
Ken Otter suggests this discrepancy is caused by some researchers taking speculation of contemporary sources as fact. A letter from Admiral Cunningham in July 1941 states, "I have not heard one word about any of the Gloucesters ship's company though there is a rumour, that the Germans broadcast, that 75% of them had been rescued".
I would suggest that future editors should be a little cautious if they come across another source with the 500 survivors claim.
Road Wizard (
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18:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the following statement from the article:
I couldn't find any supporting evidence for the statement beyond the single source listed, so I made an effort to obtain a copy of Scrap Iron Destroyers; The story of H.M.A. ships Stuart, Vampire, Vendetta, Voyager and Waterhen ( ISBN 0909153043). The book makes it clear that Stuart, Vendetta and Voyager were ordered to pick up survivors from the Fiji, which they were unable to locate. There is no mention of any orders to search for the Gloucester. Road Wizard ( talk) 17:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
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That's all I've got. Placing on hold. Miyagawa ( talk) 16:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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I have removed a reference to "Shores 1987a, pp. 357–58" from the Sinking section. The text it was linked to was contradicted by several other sources, published both before and after Shores. Unfortunately I don't have access to Shores, so I can't reflect the source material in the article. If Shores has contradicted the other sources, this will need to be handled carefully in the article. For example, relevant text may be introduced with, "However, Shores (1987), states that (this other thing actually happened)." From Hill To Shore ( talk) 13:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)