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My father served on her and told me that Courageous was involved in a collision probably during the 1930's and was shortened som feet. Memory is of the order of ten feet. Does anybody have details.
I have researched several sources, and I can not find any reference to a collision. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; it just means that I haven't found anything on it yet. Will keep looking.
I did find references to where it suffered moderate damage in the bow and forecastle area on trials as a result of steaming full speed into heavy seas. Plates were buckled and oil tanks opened up and leaked. Additional stiffening was added.
PAUL
These two pieces of information do not make sense when put together…
"During this time, Courageous was stalked for over two hours by the U-29, commanded by Kapitanleutnant Otto Schuhart. Then Courageous turned into the wind to launch her aircraft. This maneuver put the ship right across the bow of the U-29, which then fired three torpedoes." (from this article)
"Am 17.9. versenkt U 29 (Kptlt. Schuhart) westl. Irland die Courageous (Capt. Makeig-Jones †, 514 Tote). Zwar handelt es sich um einen Zufallstreffer: der Flugzeugträger läuft in die Schussbahn der auf einen Frachter abgefeuerten Torpedos." -- "On Sep.17 the submarine U-29 ... sinks the Courageous ... west of Ireland. Though this was a fluke: the carrier ran into the path of torpedoes fired off at a cargo ship." (From http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-08.htm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.142.204 ( talk) 09:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
My grandad was one of the survivers when it was torpedoed... he was a boiler man and was below deck when it struck... this was during the 2nd world war.. His name was Victor Whalen.. just one of many brave men who took up arms to protect Queen and country.. —Preceding
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According to Maritime Quest, http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/pages/aircraft_carriers/hms_glorious_77_page_2.htm, HMS Courageous had an upright nose on the bow, whilst her sister ship HMS Glorious had a pointed nose on the bow. The image that was in the Infobox shows a ship with a pointed nose, and is therefore Glorious (and the image appears as such on Maritime Quest, not, as labelled in Wikimedia, Courageous. I have therefore removed the image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Keen2 ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
While the article claims "Courageous was the first British warship to be lost in the war", HMS Oxley ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Oxley) was apparently sunk a week prior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tricericon ( talk • contribs) 22:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The current ingress text, stating that the ship was "Designed to support the Baltic Project championed by First Sea Lord John Fisher..." is somewhat misleading. There is ample evidence - as argued by among others Nicholas Lambert in his "Planning Armageddon: British Economic Warfare and the First World War" that Fisher's did not support the Baltic project in anything but the most superficial way, and that he used it as an excuse to get his desire for yet more battlecruiser designs for high seas service through cabinet. The same is implied by the current article when it states under Origin and construction that "He justified their existence by claiming he needed fast, shallow-draught ships for his Baltic Project, a plan to invade Germany via its Baltic coast".
To my mind the ingress text is thus misleading, and not up to the standards of a featured article, as it implies Fisher favored sending the lightly armored Courageous into the enclosed Baltic. Rather, it could read something along the lines of "Designed and ordered on the insistence of First Sea Lord John Fisher...". I'll make the edit in due course, provided there are no objections. Verence ( talk) 13:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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My father served on her and told me that Courageous was involved in a collision probably during the 1930's and was shortened som feet. Memory is of the order of ten feet. Does anybody have details.
I have researched several sources, and I can not find any reference to a collision. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; it just means that I haven't found anything on it yet. Will keep looking.
I did find references to where it suffered moderate damage in the bow and forecastle area on trials as a result of steaming full speed into heavy seas. Plates were buckled and oil tanks opened up and leaked. Additional stiffening was added.
PAUL
These two pieces of information do not make sense when put together…
"During this time, Courageous was stalked for over two hours by the U-29, commanded by Kapitanleutnant Otto Schuhart. Then Courageous turned into the wind to launch her aircraft. This maneuver put the ship right across the bow of the U-29, which then fired three torpedoes." (from this article)
"Am 17.9. versenkt U 29 (Kptlt. Schuhart) westl. Irland die Courageous (Capt. Makeig-Jones †, 514 Tote). Zwar handelt es sich um einen Zufallstreffer: der Flugzeugträger läuft in die Schussbahn der auf einen Frachter abgefeuerten Torpedos." -- "On Sep.17 the submarine U-29 ... sinks the Courageous ... west of Ireland. Though this was a fluke: the carrier ran into the path of torpedoes fired off at a cargo ship." (From http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-08.htm) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.142.204 ( talk) 09:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
My grandad was one of the survivers when it was torpedoed... he was a boiler man and was below deck when it struck... this was during the 2nd world war.. His name was Victor Whalen.. just one of many brave men who took up arms to protect Queen and country.. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
87.114.65.10 (
talk)
22:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
According to Maritime Quest, http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/pages/aircraft_carriers/hms_glorious_77_page_2.htm, HMS Courageous had an upright nose on the bow, whilst her sister ship HMS Glorious had a pointed nose on the bow. The image that was in the Infobox shows a ship with a pointed nose, and is therefore Glorious (and the image appears as such on Maritime Quest, not, as labelled in Wikimedia, Courageous. I have therefore removed the image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony Keen2 ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
While the article claims "Courageous was the first British warship to be lost in the war", HMS Oxley ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Oxley) was apparently sunk a week prior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tricericon ( talk • contribs) 22:02, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The current ingress text, stating that the ship was "Designed to support the Baltic Project championed by First Sea Lord John Fisher..." is somewhat misleading. There is ample evidence - as argued by among others Nicholas Lambert in his "Planning Armageddon: British Economic Warfare and the First World War" that Fisher's did not support the Baltic project in anything but the most superficial way, and that he used it as an excuse to get his desire for yet more battlecruiser designs for high seas service through cabinet. The same is implied by the current article when it states under Origin and construction that "He justified their existence by claiming he needed fast, shallow-draught ships for his Baltic Project, a plan to invade Germany via its Baltic coast".
To my mind the ingress text is thus misleading, and not up to the standards of a featured article, as it implies Fisher favored sending the lightly armored Courageous into the enclosed Baltic. Rather, it could read something along the lines of "Designed and ordered on the insistence of First Sea Lord John Fisher...". I'll make the edit in due course, provided there are no objections. Verence ( talk) 13:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)