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We have RNR spelled out as Royal Naval Reserve, but then RVNR (not "RNVR") and NRNR are both used, with no explanation. Are these the same things? Do they need to be spelled out? Shem ( talk) 22:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello RcB:
It's on display at Fort Nelson, Portsmouth. It's listed as on loan from pounds marine shipping Ltd. I'm not sure if the company still exists but they own/owned a naval scrapyard at the top end of Portsea Island. It was built in 1893 and was built by the elswick ordnance company. It's aparently a Mk III. I would assume it was fitted when the ship was reactivated. About the only reasonable route I can see for it ending up where it is would be if it was stripped out before the ship transfered to canada but I dont know if the scrapyard existed at that point.
© Geni 20:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Did you ever hear back from fort nelson?© Geni 23:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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Hi there, I'm trying to identify the model of gun in Geni's photo at Fort Nelson. If it was a"Mk III" QF built as new by Elswick in 1893, it would be a 40-calibres (20 feet long internally) QF gun weighing 6.6 tons. Its cartridge was a brass case. But so far as I know, HMS Calypso had the much lighter and shorter (26 calibres) 5-ton BL gun (silk bag cartridge) of 1881-1883, and I doubt it would have been able to carry the QF 40-calibres gun. The gun looks too short for the long 40-calibres QF model, but difficult to judge end-on. A view of the breech would allow definite identification. I'm wondering whether this was one of the early 1880s BL Mk III 26-calibre guns which were later converted to QF in about 1893 by Elswick ? I.e. is this a QFC 6-inch gun ? But it lacks the bell muzzle typical of the 26-calibre BL 6-inch guns. Do you have any more information about this ? Gunlist for Calypso ? thanks. Rod. Rcbutcher ( talk) 22:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I received this e-mail in response to my enquiry:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your enquiry and apologies for the delay. This gun carries the serial number 295 and if the surviving Gun Logs belonging to Explosion! The Museum of Naval Firepower at Priddy's Hard, Gosport but currently on deposit at the Hampshire County Record Office, Winchester, are consulted it can be seen that it was removed from Calypso and returned to store in Plymouth on the 10th August 1901 and appears to have ended up in Devonport on 23rd January 1902. Sadly there are no other entries regarding its earlier (or later) life. If, as you say, she had four such guns on board later, these would obviously carry other numbers and probably recorded in those Gun Logs. At the time this information did not form part of my brief.
I am not entirely certain of the exact way this gun came to be on loan to us since it was before my time. Knowing John Pounds and his organisation as I do he would have phoned us up to let us know that he had acquired it and would we like it as a loan item.
I hope this helps.
Yours faithfully,
[name]
Curator of Artillery
Royal Armouries
I do not understand the shape of the gunhouse, but perhaps the armament changed. I have a 1963 article from Mariners Mirror which has a silhouette of other ships of the Comus class which at least suggest this shape of gunhouse.
Regards, Kablammo ( talk) 23:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. That picture is very helpful. It resembles the 6" housing of Calliope (right). It is harder to correlate it to the sponsoned gun on Calypso in Newfoundland, but it could be the same type of housing, but covered at the top by the shed built atop the gunwale bulwark. The museum piece was removed before the ship went to Newfoundland (I think two of the four were removed), so the gun and housing shown wharfside in the third image on the right would be a different rifle, but perhaps one of the remaining 6". Regards, Kablammo ( talk) 12:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
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We have RNR spelled out as Royal Naval Reserve, but then RVNR (not "RNVR") and NRNR are both used, with no explanation. Are these the same things? Do they need to be spelled out? Shem ( talk) 22:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello RcB:
It's on display at Fort Nelson, Portsmouth. It's listed as on loan from pounds marine shipping Ltd. I'm not sure if the company still exists but they own/owned a naval scrapyard at the top end of Portsea Island. It was built in 1893 and was built by the elswick ordnance company. It's aparently a Mk III. I would assume it was fitted when the ship was reactivated. About the only reasonable route I can see for it ending up where it is would be if it was stripped out before the ship transfered to canada but I dont know if the scrapyard existed at that point.
© Geni 20:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Did you ever hear back from fort nelson?© Geni 23:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- - -
Hi there, I'm trying to identify the model of gun in Geni's photo at Fort Nelson. If it was a"Mk III" QF built as new by Elswick in 1893, it would be a 40-calibres (20 feet long internally) QF gun weighing 6.6 tons. Its cartridge was a brass case. But so far as I know, HMS Calypso had the much lighter and shorter (26 calibres) 5-ton BL gun (silk bag cartridge) of 1881-1883, and I doubt it would have been able to carry the QF 40-calibres gun. The gun looks too short for the long 40-calibres QF model, but difficult to judge end-on. A view of the breech would allow definite identification. I'm wondering whether this was one of the early 1880s BL Mk III 26-calibre guns which were later converted to QF in about 1893 by Elswick ? I.e. is this a QFC 6-inch gun ? But it lacks the bell muzzle typical of the 26-calibre BL 6-inch guns. Do you have any more information about this ? Gunlist for Calypso ? thanks. Rod. Rcbutcher ( talk) 22:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I received this e-mail in response to my enquiry:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your enquiry and apologies for the delay. This gun carries the serial number 295 and if the surviving Gun Logs belonging to Explosion! The Museum of Naval Firepower at Priddy's Hard, Gosport but currently on deposit at the Hampshire County Record Office, Winchester, are consulted it can be seen that it was removed from Calypso and returned to store in Plymouth on the 10th August 1901 and appears to have ended up in Devonport on 23rd January 1902. Sadly there are no other entries regarding its earlier (or later) life. If, as you say, she had four such guns on board later, these would obviously carry other numbers and probably recorded in those Gun Logs. At the time this information did not form part of my brief.
I am not entirely certain of the exact way this gun came to be on loan to us since it was before my time. Knowing John Pounds and his organisation as I do he would have phoned us up to let us know that he had acquired it and would we like it as a loan item.
I hope this helps.
Yours faithfully,
[name]
Curator of Artillery
Royal Armouries
I do not understand the shape of the gunhouse, but perhaps the armament changed. I have a 1963 article from Mariners Mirror which has a silhouette of other ships of the Comus class which at least suggest this shape of gunhouse.
Regards, Kablammo ( talk) 23:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. That picture is very helpful. It resembles the 6" housing of Calliope (right). It is harder to correlate it to the sponsoned gun on Calypso in Newfoundland, but it could be the same type of housing, but covered at the top by the shed built atop the gunwale bulwark. The museum piece was removed before the ship went to Newfoundland (I think two of the four were removed), so the gun and housing shown wharfside in the third image on the right would be a different rifle, but perhaps one of the remaining 6". Regards, Kablammo ( talk) 12:01, 24 June 2010 (UTC)