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WP:NOTGENEALOGY indicates that details of family history should only be presented when appropriate to support reader understanding of the subject. Intricate detail like the residence of one of the architect's wife's father and the birthplace of the architects' paternal grandmother do not fulfill that criterion. Not everything that is true or useful should be included - the aim is to provide a summary of accepted knowledge regarding the subject. If one of the other people mentioned may be notable, then an article about that person should be created and their biographical information placed there rather than here. Note also that birth and death details specifically should only be included past the lead if there is special contextual relevance, again absent here. Nikkimaria ( talk) 13:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
I read with interest this article about people I'd never heard of and buildings I've never seen. My thanks to all contributors.
If my understanding of the above is correct, User:Storye book argues that both the dates and the hometowns of the parents and grandparents of the architects who formed this partnership are relevant to understanding the architectural partnership that is the subject of this article; they are sufficiently relevant that they may reasonably be included. User:Nikkimaria disagrees. The relevant words of MOS:BIRTHDATE appear to be "birth and death details should only be included after a name if there is special contextual relevance". On this basis, I comment that the amount of detail about grandparents and indeed various other points is certainly unusual. I would not characterize Nikkimaria's behaviour as in any way inappropriate.
On the specific judgement about special relevance in this case, however, I did find these details sufficiently illuminating that I was glad that they were there. For example, it was interesting to note that the named grandparents lived long lives, long enough to see their grandsons either approaching or part of the professional partnership, and that they are from the artisanal classes in nearby parts of Northern England.
On balance, in this particular article, I'd probably keep these and other mildly-unusual degrees of detail. But if a consensus to remove them should emerge, I would bow to it. I hope this helps. Richard Keatinge ( talk) 15:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
The first paragraph reads: "H. E. and A. Bown was an architectural practice in Harrogate, North Riding of Yorkshire, England, in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Its two partners were Edwin Arthur Bown who started the business and died at the age of 36, and his brother Arthur Bown, who carried on the business until he retired in 1911." This seems at odds with other references in the piece to the elder brother as Henry Edwin, which would be consistent with the initials quoted. Is the reference in this first paragraph to the older brother as Edwin Arthur Bown a mistake? Gwladys24 ( talk) 19:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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WP:NOTGENEALOGY indicates that details of family history should only be presented when appropriate to support reader understanding of the subject. Intricate detail like the residence of one of the architect's wife's father and the birthplace of the architects' paternal grandmother do not fulfill that criterion. Not everything that is true or useful should be included - the aim is to provide a summary of accepted knowledge regarding the subject. If one of the other people mentioned may be notable, then an article about that person should be created and their biographical information placed there rather than here. Note also that birth and death details specifically should only be included past the lead if there is special contextual relevance, again absent here. Nikkimaria ( talk) 13:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
I read with interest this article about people I'd never heard of and buildings I've never seen. My thanks to all contributors.
If my understanding of the above is correct, User:Storye book argues that both the dates and the hometowns of the parents and grandparents of the architects who formed this partnership are relevant to understanding the architectural partnership that is the subject of this article; they are sufficiently relevant that they may reasonably be included. User:Nikkimaria disagrees. The relevant words of MOS:BIRTHDATE appear to be "birth and death details should only be included after a name if there is special contextual relevance". On this basis, I comment that the amount of detail about grandparents and indeed various other points is certainly unusual. I would not characterize Nikkimaria's behaviour as in any way inappropriate.
On the specific judgement about special relevance in this case, however, I did find these details sufficiently illuminating that I was glad that they were there. For example, it was interesting to note that the named grandparents lived long lives, long enough to see their grandsons either approaching or part of the professional partnership, and that they are from the artisanal classes in nearby parts of Northern England.
On balance, in this particular article, I'd probably keep these and other mildly-unusual degrees of detail. But if a consensus to remove them should emerge, I would bow to it. I hope this helps. Richard Keatinge ( talk) 15:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
The first paragraph reads: "H. E. and A. Bown was an architectural practice in Harrogate, North Riding of Yorkshire, England, in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Its two partners were Edwin Arthur Bown who started the business and died at the age of 36, and his brother Arthur Bown, who carried on the business until he retired in 1911." This seems at odds with other references in the piece to the elder brother as Henry Edwin, which would be consistent with the initials quoted. Is the reference in this first paragraph to the older brother as Edwin Arthur Bown a mistake? Gwladys24 ( talk) 19:39, 5 November 2022 (UTC)