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I want to clarify some of my thinking, as people have put in a lot of work and thought to this article, and I don't want anyone to think that I haven't been carefully reading--and appreciating-- the work.
Sorry I'm late to this talk page, but I agree with the conclusions that you came to. -- Ssilvers 03:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
The Wikpedia article on trivia states: "This page in a nutshell: Lists of facts, as found in trivia sections, are better presented within the context of the text rather than in a section of unrelated items." reference: WP:TRIV. JeanColumbia 12:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Both the musical and film are notable, I would think, and the film article ought to be split off of the musical article. Then the film project tag should be moved to the film article's talk page (also the "what links here" links pertaining to the film will need to be moved. -- Ssilvers 01:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Now that I've embarrassed myself by not paying attention to the disambiguation notice, let me raise another issue. The article needs information about the genesis/background of the show's creation. But that'll have to wait for another day. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 03:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
→OK, film/tv/split resolved--I'll look again at the film article, but I think it's probably OK JeanColumbia 11:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I've often thought it would be good to have the quite interesting background of this play/musical in the article--but I just don't know how to write it. I have some of the reference books I think I need to refer to, and have read one or two others. I think I could do a first draft, perhaps Sunday or Monday, if no one else wants to. I need to re-read some material, perhaps get the Arthur Laurents book again. JeanColumbia 11:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
→Feedback, discussion? JeanColumbia 14:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
As I write this (10:37am (EDT), April 22, the film and tv section has been moved to the very end of the article, after references, and external links. I suspect this was not meant to happen. Therefore, I am moving that section to immediately after "Stage Productions" (which is where the section has been).
Should anyone want this section to be at the very end of the article (after "references" and "external links"), your choice. JeanColumbia 14:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if we're going overboard with the awards. Is it necessary to list the Theatre World awards? Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 15:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Jean. As far as I can tell, only you, me and MusicMaker are really active in the project (although other editors have an interest in particular musicals). If you think these awards are important to a general reader of the encyclopedia, then I will rely on your excellent judgement. It just seemed to me that these award sections are rather long in relation to the length of most articles on musicals. Perhaps columnarization would help? BTW, if you think any changes ought to be made to the sturcture guidelines, please propose them on the Musicals project talk page. Since you are one of the most active editors in the project at present, your experience as to what ought to be included or excluded from our articles is very important, and I think that the structure guidelines would benefit from your advice. Best regards, and happy editing! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Took a stab at it. Thoughts? -- omtay 38 20:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I think it's premature to add the 2008 cast to the table, because one or more of them could get sick prior to the opening, the revival itself could get cancelled, and a whole host of things could go wrong. Look at what just happened with Lone Star Love. Just my opinion. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I reverted (twice) the edits to this song list, on 4/23 & 24/08. The newly added edits seemed to be in non-standard format (using ... instead of "—"), added odd characters, and showing "MONTAGE" (that may be on stage but is not part of the song list); adding reprises, etc. I prefer to stay with a reliable source WP:RS (IBDB) (which is WP:VERIFY). This is a well-established song list, I cannot see any reason to think it would change! JeanColumbia ( talk) 23:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I've looked at the IBDB listing for the songs for the 2008 revival and compared with the last few revivals; of course I am wrong, this "well-established song list" ((my words) did indeed change. I've added the changes as notes to the song list. JeanColumbia ( talk) 11:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
There was too much analysis of Rose in the Lead, so I moved it down. Eventually, there should be a Critical response section and an analysis section that describes the reviews and gives more analysis of the show and its characters. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Urk! Not me! I'm hopeless with coding. If you set up the table, I suppose I could try to help insert the info without messing up your pretty table! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
To answer the question (is this the 1st production in London--1973) more fully. I use as basic references these books: Craig Zadan, "Sondheim & Company", 2nd Edition, 1986; Martin Gottfried, "Sondheim", 1993, 2000; Merle Secrest, "Stephen Sondheim, A Life", 1998, and [1]. Both the web site (sondheimguide.com), the Zadan (pp. 53-54) and Secrest (p. 140) confirm that the 1973 production was the first production in London. I don't see any mention of any other productions in the Gottfried. I think that is sufficient per WP:VERIFY. JeanColumbia ( talk) 13:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Does this information suggest to you that we should say something about recordings of songs from Gypsy?: http://www.sondheimguide.com/gypsyrec.html#Songs Sometimes we say something like "Songs of [x musical] have been covered frequently, most notably by [x performer/band] and in [x film/TV show, etc]." -- Ssilvers ( talk) 13:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
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I want to clarify some of my thinking, as people have put in a lot of work and thought to this article, and I don't want anyone to think that I haven't been carefully reading--and appreciating-- the work.
Sorry I'm late to this talk page, but I agree with the conclusions that you came to. -- Ssilvers 03:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
The Wikpedia article on trivia states: "This page in a nutshell: Lists of facts, as found in trivia sections, are better presented within the context of the text rather than in a section of unrelated items." reference: WP:TRIV. JeanColumbia 12:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Both the musical and film are notable, I would think, and the film article ought to be split off of the musical article. Then the film project tag should be moved to the film article's talk page (also the "what links here" links pertaining to the film will need to be moved. -- Ssilvers 01:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Now that I've embarrassed myself by not paying attention to the disambiguation notice, let me raise another issue. The article needs information about the genesis/background of the show's creation. But that'll have to wait for another day. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 03:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
→OK, film/tv/split resolved--I'll look again at the film article, but I think it's probably OK JeanColumbia 11:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I've often thought it would be good to have the quite interesting background of this play/musical in the article--but I just don't know how to write it. I have some of the reference books I think I need to refer to, and have read one or two others. I think I could do a first draft, perhaps Sunday or Monday, if no one else wants to. I need to re-read some material, perhaps get the Arthur Laurents book again. JeanColumbia 11:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
→Feedback, discussion? JeanColumbia 14:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
As I write this (10:37am (EDT), April 22, the film and tv section has been moved to the very end of the article, after references, and external links. I suspect this was not meant to happen. Therefore, I am moving that section to immediately after "Stage Productions" (which is where the section has been).
Should anyone want this section to be at the very end of the article (after "references" and "external links"), your choice. JeanColumbia 14:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if we're going overboard with the awards. Is it necessary to list the Theatre World awards? Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 15:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Jean. As far as I can tell, only you, me and MusicMaker are really active in the project (although other editors have an interest in particular musicals). If you think these awards are important to a general reader of the encyclopedia, then I will rely on your excellent judgement. It just seemed to me that these award sections are rather long in relation to the length of most articles on musicals. Perhaps columnarization would help? BTW, if you think any changes ought to be made to the sturcture guidelines, please propose them on the Musicals project talk page. Since you are one of the most active editors in the project at present, your experience as to what ought to be included or excluded from our articles is very important, and I think that the structure guidelines would benefit from your advice. Best regards, and happy editing! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Took a stab at it. Thoughts? -- omtay 38 20:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I think it's premature to add the 2008 cast to the table, because one or more of them could get sick prior to the opening, the revival itself could get cancelled, and a whole host of things could go wrong. Look at what just happened with Lone Star Love. Just my opinion. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I reverted (twice) the edits to this song list, on 4/23 & 24/08. The newly added edits seemed to be in non-standard format (using ... instead of "—"), added odd characters, and showing "MONTAGE" (that may be on stage but is not part of the song list); adding reprises, etc. I prefer to stay with a reliable source WP:RS (IBDB) (which is WP:VERIFY). This is a well-established song list, I cannot see any reason to think it would change! JeanColumbia ( talk) 23:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I've looked at the IBDB listing for the songs for the 2008 revival and compared with the last few revivals; of course I am wrong, this "well-established song list" ((my words) did indeed change. I've added the changes as notes to the song list. JeanColumbia ( talk) 11:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
There was too much analysis of Rose in the Lead, so I moved it down. Eventually, there should be a Critical response section and an analysis section that describes the reviews and gives more analysis of the show and its characters. Best regards, -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Urk! Not me! I'm hopeless with coding. If you set up the table, I suppose I could try to help insert the info without messing up your pretty table! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
To answer the question (is this the 1st production in London--1973) more fully. I use as basic references these books: Craig Zadan, "Sondheim & Company", 2nd Edition, 1986; Martin Gottfried, "Sondheim", 1993, 2000; Merle Secrest, "Stephen Sondheim, A Life", 1998, and [1]. Both the web site (sondheimguide.com), the Zadan (pp. 53-54) and Secrest (p. 140) confirm that the 1973 production was the first production in London. I don't see any mention of any other productions in the Gottfried. I think that is sufficient per WP:VERIFY. JeanColumbia ( talk) 13:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Does this information suggest to you that we should say something about recordings of songs from Gypsy?: http://www.sondheimguide.com/gypsyrec.html#Songs Sometimes we say something like "Songs of [x musical] have been covered frequently, most notably by [x performer/band] and in [x film/TV show, etc]." -- Ssilvers ( talk) 13:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Here is what Frank Rick wrote--and Sondheim said-- about the ending:
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