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While adding images to article is often a good thing, adding too many images can be counterproductive per WP:NOTGALLERY and WP:IUP#Adding images to articles. For example, Wikipedia might use a book cover image for primary identification purposes in a stand-alone article about a book, or perhaps as an example of an illustrators work in an article about an illustrator, but the way the two covers are being used in the "Bibliography and media" section seems a bit unnecessary. If the books are Wikipedia notable enough for stand-alone articles to be written about them, then the covers could be used in those article. In this article, however, they seem out of place and are not needed in my opinion.
Same kinda goes for the "Selected work" gallery as well. It would be better to incorporate these into the body of the article near relevant article content and then use a template such a Template:Commons category to let the reader know that more images of this type can be found on Commons. There's really no need for two images of the same building/house or of the same representative style of technique; so, pick the ones for the better known examples discussed in the article, incorporate them into the article and then remove the rest. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Architecttype. Please don't remove or WP:BLANK talk page discussions, especially when they include posts made by others. If you're no longer interested in responding, then you don't have to; however, removing an entire thread like you did here may give others the impression that you claiming some kind of ownership over the page or trying to discourage others from participating. If you'd like to remove one of your own posts or change something you previously posted, then please follow WP:REDACT. If the talk page starts to get too big, archiving can be done to keep things more manageable; however, the page is nowhere near that point at the moment.
FWIW, I wasn't suggesting that all of the images need to be removed, only that image use be more selective and tied into the article content. A smaller gallery of images might have even been workable, but redundant images of the same structure or type of structure probably weren't necessary if there wasn't corresponding article content particularly related to said images. A balance between article content needs to be found because in its most basic form a Wikipedia article is intended to be textual content supported by selected relevant images, not the other way around.
A Wikipedia article is really only intended to be written in a summary style; so, not every bit of information (even verifiable information) about the subject needs to be included per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. So, in many cases, links to other existing articles as well as links to other existing pages are used to avoid articles becoming too dense with detail. In some cases, this might mean that each and every article on a particular subject matter are not formatted or laid out exactly the same way, but that's OK because of WP:OTHERCONTENT. So, just because something is being done on another similar article, does not be mean is also should done on this article, and vice versa. It could also mean that it shouldn't be being done on the other article as well, but only that nobody has noticed it and gotten around to fixing it as of yet.
Theroadislong's point about the awards is one often made on this type of article. Once again, article content tends to try and focus on main awards and honors which appear to be Wikipedia notable and encyclopedically relevant to reader. Of course, there may be disagreements over this, but these disagreements are worked out through discussion. Referring to others as a "Wiki-bully" just because they don't agree with your vision for the article is not helpful and might actually be seen as a personal attack against these others. This is exactly the type of thing I tried to advise you to avoid doing in my response to your Teahouse question because it's not conducive to constructive talk page discussion or collaborative editing at all. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
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SovalValtos: I tend to agree with
Theroadislong earlier comment about a reduced image gallery or something similar being preferable to current layout. The images could then probably could be inserted at the end of the "Personal life, career, and influences" section. Another possibility might be to use {{
Multiple image}} and set the |direction=
to horizontal. A rough example of each is given below.
The above just use a very basic markup and probably can be tweaked for sizing, spacing and caption purposes, though the "multiple image" template looks like it might be a little easier to tweak. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Images of books deleted. Image gallery deleted. Number of images reduced considerably. Honors and awards footnoted. Architecttype ( talk) 21:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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While adding images to article is often a good thing, adding too many images can be counterproductive per WP:NOTGALLERY and WP:IUP#Adding images to articles. For example, Wikipedia might use a book cover image for primary identification purposes in a stand-alone article about a book, or perhaps as an example of an illustrators work in an article about an illustrator, but the way the two covers are being used in the "Bibliography and media" section seems a bit unnecessary. If the books are Wikipedia notable enough for stand-alone articles to be written about them, then the covers could be used in those article. In this article, however, they seem out of place and are not needed in my opinion.
Same kinda goes for the "Selected work" gallery as well. It would be better to incorporate these into the body of the article near relevant article content and then use a template such a Template:Commons category to let the reader know that more images of this type can be found on Commons. There's really no need for two images of the same building/house or of the same representative style of technique; so, pick the ones for the better known examples discussed in the article, incorporate them into the article and then remove the rest. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 14:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Architecttype. Please don't remove or WP:BLANK talk page discussions, especially when they include posts made by others. If you're no longer interested in responding, then you don't have to; however, removing an entire thread like you did here may give others the impression that you claiming some kind of ownership over the page or trying to discourage others from participating. If you'd like to remove one of your own posts or change something you previously posted, then please follow WP:REDACT. If the talk page starts to get too big, archiving can be done to keep things more manageable; however, the page is nowhere near that point at the moment.
FWIW, I wasn't suggesting that all of the images need to be removed, only that image use be more selective and tied into the article content. A smaller gallery of images might have even been workable, but redundant images of the same structure or type of structure probably weren't necessary if there wasn't corresponding article content particularly related to said images. A balance between article content needs to be found because in its most basic form a Wikipedia article is intended to be textual content supported by selected relevant images, not the other way around.
A Wikipedia article is really only intended to be written in a summary style; so, not every bit of information (even verifiable information) about the subject needs to be included per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. So, in many cases, links to other existing articles as well as links to other existing pages are used to avoid articles becoming too dense with detail. In some cases, this might mean that each and every article on a particular subject matter are not formatted or laid out exactly the same way, but that's OK because of WP:OTHERCONTENT. So, just because something is being done on another similar article, does not be mean is also should done on this article, and vice versa. It could also mean that it shouldn't be being done on the other article as well, but only that nobody has noticed it and gotten around to fixing it as of yet.
Theroadislong's point about the awards is one often made on this type of article. Once again, article content tends to try and focus on main awards and honors which appear to be Wikipedia notable and encyclopedically relevant to reader. Of course, there may be disagreements over this, but these disagreements are worked out through discussion. Referring to others as a "Wiki-bully" just because they don't agree with your vision for the article is not helpful and might actually be seen as a personal attack against these others. This is exactly the type of thing I tried to advise you to avoid doing in my response to your Teahouse question because it's not conducive to constructive talk page discussion or collaborative editing at all. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
@
SovalValtos: I tend to agree with
Theroadislong earlier comment about a reduced image gallery or something similar being preferable to current layout. The images could then probably could be inserted at the end of the "Personal life, career, and influences" section. Another possibility might be to use {{
Multiple image}} and set the |direction=
to horizontal. A rough example of each is given below.
The above just use a very basic markup and probably can be tweaked for sizing, spacing and caption purposes, though the "multiple image" template looks like it might be a little easier to tweak. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 11:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Images of books deleted. Image gallery deleted. Number of images reduced considerably. Honors and awards footnoted. Architecttype ( talk) 21:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)