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I'm weary. Please see Discussion ("Talk") page associated with the APPLES AND PEARS entry -- if that page can be accessed, once Tony deletes it.
After months of discussion, his OR summaries of "Apples and Pears" were deleted.
Now he brings them back here, along with others from other disputed pages.
I can't imagine going through all this again, but it appears that we will have to. SocJan 22:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
A second thought: So as not to lose the A + P discussion, which is likely to be highly relevant here soon, I have imported it to this page (see above). SocJan 05:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Nine days having passed without any third-party defense of the recent posting to this page of OR/POV summaries of three collections of Davenport's fiction, I have deleted those summaries. I agree that a balanced discussion of the role that child sexuality plays in Davenport's fictions would be useful. I hope someone can write one, based on reputable published criticism (the references given on the Davenport page include several possible sources). Please let's have no more original summaries of these fictions by editors with an axe to grind. SocJan 05:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I doubt this is the most, or only, fact about him in Davenport's book. I really dont think this fact about his eating fried bologna with campbells soup is notable, in light of who he was. if julia child did this in public, yes. if davenport advocated this in his book as the perfect diet, and it was the source of one of his works (say, a book on bologna, a poem on bologna, or even if its the source of the book its taken from: davenport tries this food, decides to write about food, and credits this event a la proust in remembrance of things past vis a vis madeleines), yes. Its interesting and quirky, but thats all. please provide some context for adding this back if you do so. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 19:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, its actually quite bad to do this, davenport would probably not have approved of this (unless he hated reference books), and your stating that this one of his least known essays shows it doesnt belong in the article. nothing you have said here makes the specific case for this sentence to be in this article. if we want to motivate a reader to explore davenports work, there are many other NPOV ways to do so. a one sentence quote from an essay, a quote from a review by a major figure, which refers to his eccentric and entertaining style. WP is not in the business of recommending authors. I dont want a reader of this article to feel like ive put my arm around his shoulder, escorted him into my library, and said "oh, you simply MUST read davenports essays on food, they are perfect examples of how a highly cultured, literate critic can be down to earth. please, borrow it as long as you like. and when youre done, come back and sit down with me over some bologna, soup and a bud light, and we will wax rhapsodic about the man!" it takes away from the power of the encyclopedia to have the author of the article (you and i) inject our passions into the article itself. our passion should be in the craft of the article, not the advocacy of the subject. but again, im not interested in deleting the line, just in trying to stimulate some more creative approaches to documenting this writer that are NPOV. wait, did you say that former students of davenport included this statement? how POV can you get? come on, call a spade a spade, admit bias. for my part, i admit that im probably overly incensed by this, and i apologize for any apparent personal slights. but i am really really really willing to go along with ANY inclusions that document his style, along the lines of what i have suggested. peace, Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 01:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
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I've reassessed this article and think it is still B class. However, it has several strengths and not much work should be needed to get it up to A class.
There is an excellent, comprehensive collection of references and sources but the article itself needs to be fleshed out a bit more. More headings and sub-headings are definitely needed and some of the information in list format needs to be expanded into paragraphs. This is glaringly obvious in the commentary section, where there is no summary or explanation of critics' views. I recommend contributing editors divide the existing information into relevant sub headings and attempt to provide at least a brief summary for sections currently in list form, where appropriate. Gruffle Gaw 17:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC) The B grade stands. The article doesn't even have an infobox or persondata. It needs serious work to come close to an A rating. It should pass GA before even being considered for an A. - Duribald 08:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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I'm weary. Please see Discussion ("Talk") page associated with the APPLES AND PEARS entry -- if that page can be accessed, once Tony deletes it.
After months of discussion, his OR summaries of "Apples and Pears" were deleted.
Now he brings them back here, along with others from other disputed pages.
I can't imagine going through all this again, but it appears that we will have to. SocJan 22:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
A second thought: So as not to lose the A + P discussion, which is likely to be highly relevant here soon, I have imported it to this page (see above). SocJan 05:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Nine days having passed without any third-party defense of the recent posting to this page of OR/POV summaries of three collections of Davenport's fiction, I have deleted those summaries. I agree that a balanced discussion of the role that child sexuality plays in Davenport's fictions would be useful. I hope someone can write one, based on reputable published criticism (the references given on the Davenport page include several possible sources). Please let's have no more original summaries of these fictions by editors with an axe to grind. SocJan 05:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I doubt this is the most, or only, fact about him in Davenport's book. I really dont think this fact about his eating fried bologna with campbells soup is notable, in light of who he was. if julia child did this in public, yes. if davenport advocated this in his book as the perfect diet, and it was the source of one of his works (say, a book on bologna, a poem on bologna, or even if its the source of the book its taken from: davenport tries this food, decides to write about food, and credits this event a la proust in remembrance of things past vis a vis madeleines), yes. Its interesting and quirky, but thats all. please provide some context for adding this back if you do so. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 19:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, its actually quite bad to do this, davenport would probably not have approved of this (unless he hated reference books), and your stating that this one of his least known essays shows it doesnt belong in the article. nothing you have said here makes the specific case for this sentence to be in this article. if we want to motivate a reader to explore davenports work, there are many other NPOV ways to do so. a one sentence quote from an essay, a quote from a review by a major figure, which refers to his eccentric and entertaining style. WP is not in the business of recommending authors. I dont want a reader of this article to feel like ive put my arm around his shoulder, escorted him into my library, and said "oh, you simply MUST read davenports essays on food, they are perfect examples of how a highly cultured, literate critic can be down to earth. please, borrow it as long as you like. and when youre done, come back and sit down with me over some bologna, soup and a bud light, and we will wax rhapsodic about the man!" it takes away from the power of the encyclopedia to have the author of the article (you and i) inject our passions into the article itself. our passion should be in the craft of the article, not the advocacy of the subject. but again, im not interested in deleting the line, just in trying to stimulate some more creative approaches to documenting this writer that are NPOV. wait, did you say that former students of davenport included this statement? how POV can you get? come on, call a spade a spade, admit bias. for my part, i admit that im probably overly incensed by this, and i apologize for any apparent personal slights. but i am really really really willing to go along with ANY inclusions that document his style, along the lines of what i have suggested. peace, Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 01:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Guy Davenport/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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I've reassessed this article and think it is still B class. However, it has several strengths and not much work should be needed to get it up to A class.
There is an excellent, comprehensive collection of references and sources but the article itself needs to be fleshed out a bit more. More headings and sub-headings are definitely needed and some of the information in list format needs to be expanded into paragraphs. This is glaringly obvious in the commentary section, where there is no summary or explanation of critics' views. I recommend contributing editors divide the existing information into relevant sub headings and attempt to provide at least a brief summary for sections currently in list form, where appropriate. Gruffle Gaw 17:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC) The B grade stands. The article doesn't even have an infobox or persondata. It needs serious work to come close to an A rating. It should pass GA before even being considered for an A. - Duribald 08:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC) |
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