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WP:NPOL is in favor of including "Politicians ... who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels." In the United States, federally recognized tribes often function in roles equivalent to state governments (having 3 branches of gov, exercising civil and criminal jurisdiction over territory, being elected democratically by voters) and their elected politicians should fall under "similar systems of government." Given that, I think Barker actually meets WP:NPOL. He's an elected official of the Quapaw Nation and that should meet WP:NPOL.
Additionally, the Quapaw Nation has 6 people in their category, Category:Quapaw, expanding coverage is appropriate. His page is of similar length and source quality of other tribal politicians (see Milton Bluehouse Sr.). Category:Navajo Nation politicians has categories for Tribal Councilors and judges, similar coverage for other tribal nations should be in line with wiki guidelines.-- TulsaPoliticsFan ( talk) 17:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC) Edit: added signature later, original comment 04:29, 23 July 2022
The question involves our
WP:NPOL guideline. Should a person who is elected to any office in a
Native American tribe pass the NPOL guidelines?
Bruxton (
talk)
22:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm self-collapsing this side discussion about the appropriate scope and forum for the question--which discussion, while very important here, I'm going to sequester like this to avoid distraction from the the content issues. Any party may feel free to revert this hatting. SnowRise let's rap 21:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Comment:( Summoned by bot) Well, first off (and meaning no disrespect to your clearly good faith effort here) this is entirely the wrong place to host this RfC as it is framed. If you want to make a change to WP:NPOL itself in general, the appropriate place to do it would be the talk page for the guideline itself. If you want to establish some sort of informal presumption as to how to apply NPOL in the context of elected leaders of tribal entities (without changing the wording of NPOL itself), then you should seek that in a centralized community space such as WP:VPP. The only thing that can be determined on this talk page is a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS as to whether or not the subject of this particular article should be afforded the benefit of your proposed interpretation of NPOL. So if that is all that you are ultimately seeking here, I recommend you reformat the RfC prompt before you have further input from FRS respondents.
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WP:NPOL is in favor of including "Politicians ... who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels." In the United States, federally recognized tribes often function in roles equivalent to state governments (having 3 branches of gov, exercising civil and criminal jurisdiction over territory, being elected democratically by voters) and their elected politicians should fall under "similar systems of government." Given that, I think Barker actually meets WP:NPOL. He's an elected official of the Quapaw Nation and that should meet WP:NPOL.
Additionally, the Quapaw Nation has 6 people in their category, Category:Quapaw, expanding coverage is appropriate. His page is of similar length and source quality of other tribal politicians (see Milton Bluehouse Sr.). Category:Navajo Nation politicians has categories for Tribal Councilors and judges, similar coverage for other tribal nations should be in line with wiki guidelines.-- TulsaPoliticsFan ( talk) 17:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC) Edit: added signature later, original comment 04:29, 23 July 2022
The question involves our
WP:NPOL guideline. Should a person who is elected to any office in a
Native American tribe pass the NPOL guidelines?
Bruxton (
talk)
22:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm self-collapsing this side discussion about the appropriate scope and forum for the question--which discussion, while very important here, I'm going to sequester like this to avoid distraction from the the content issues. Any party may feel free to revert this hatting. SnowRise let's rap 21:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Comment:( Summoned by bot) Well, first off (and meaning no disrespect to your clearly good faith effort here) this is entirely the wrong place to host this RfC as it is framed. If you want to make a change to WP:NPOL itself in general, the appropriate place to do it would be the talk page for the guideline itself. If you want to establish some sort of informal presumption as to how to apply NPOL in the context of elected leaders of tribal entities (without changing the wording of NPOL itself), then you should seek that in a centralized community space such as WP:VPP. The only thing that can be determined on this talk page is a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS as to whether or not the subject of this particular article should be afforded the benefit of your proposed interpretation of NPOL. So if that is all that you are ultimately seeking here, I recommend you reformat the RfC prompt before you have further input from FRS respondents.
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 22:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)