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This article should be adapted following the French example i.e. paragraphs original meaning, current meaning and cult problem What should be mentioned too is Anthony Storr's book 'A Study of Gurus' in which he argues that gurus suffer from a mild form of schizophrenia. Please help. I have limited time. Andries 21:17, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Not only Christians use this 'alternative definition'. But it is current usage by everybody. Some Christians use the word guru even for Jesus. Andries 08:20, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User Mkweise says that satguru means teacher of truth but I think s/he is wrong. It means true guru i.e. the oppposite of false guru. Andries 19:12, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User Mkweise says that all sects of Hinduism say that a living guru is necessary to attain Moksha. I think s/he is wrong. Do the followers of e.g. the late Shirdi Sai Baba say this? I don't thinks so. Besides how can s/he be so sure about this (It is written as if it is a fact)? Surely MKweise has not studies all sects of Hinduism. Andries 19:12, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hello, MKweise, you wrote that sat guru means teacher of truth but I always thought that it meant true guru, i.e. the opposite of fraud guru. Do u have any references for your assertion? Andries 18:57, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
By the way, where is your evidence for your assertion that all sects of Hinduism say that a living guru is necessary. To be honest, I don't believe at all that you are right in this case. Besides, how can you state this as a fact. Have you studies ALL sects of Hindsuism? If not, how many have you studied? Andries 18:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Mkweise, I have another objection to the sentence "All Hindu denominations hold that a personal relationship with a living guru, revered as the embodiment of God, is essential in seeking moksha." ISKCON followers would consider it blasphemy to rever a living guru as God, unless the guru happens to be Krishna or the Kalki avatar. Andries 18:54, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
He said: "The Krsna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion", and on another occasion wrote: "One should clearly understand that the Krsna consciousness movement is not preaching the so-called Hindu religion." Caitanya, OTOH, did consider himself a Hindu—making the issue an excellent source of endless, pointless arguments.
Mkweise, with regards to guru again. Why did ur remove the section 'original and literal meaning? I found it very useful. I reverted it. Andries 21:29, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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I removed the footer {{msg:cults}} from the article since this article is not primarily about cults. Davodd 11:02, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
I removed the edits by .140 that said that Guru is greater than God according the Svetara upanishad. I checked the upanishad and it does not say so. This ip is used to defend Elan Vital and to defend its FAQ against its critics [1]. Andries 15:55, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I would much like to get integrated the Buddhist notion on "Guru" into this exelent article. -- Mitrapa 17:36, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa
This section Guru#Attraction_by_gurus seems to me to be just a POV, but it is written as a fact. Either someone cares to re-write it in NPOV voice and provide references, or it should be deleted from the article. ≈ jossi ≈ 02:32, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
I can see that there are discrepancies of understanding in regard of the meaning of the word "guru". I offer this from the Darmayoga.org dictionary [2]:
There is also a prayer by Ram das as follows:
And finally, quoting from an article from Kathleen Hunt in Jai! magazine (from the Samadi yoga website, that includes a good explanation of Aarti as well)
-- Zappaz 16:34, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
i think there are different opinions in the wide wide world of indian religion, so sikhs(and also sant mat) claim this use of guru for them, see Guru Grant Sahib, others translate ru as remover ( this was the first version in this article), please see Guru and Teacher, there is no evidence that the explanation of gu means darkness and ru means light is valid all over india. and there is no way to derive it from hindi as well. so the meanings of the syllables may happened to be added more in a poetic way, like gu means greater and ru means god ;-) ; i would suggest to present all meanings that appear on this term and explain where they come from instead of scratching for example the "remover" in favor of the by prem rawat prefered "light". this was some kind of an encyclopedia, wasn't it? thomas
I changed back the title of a subsection that Jossi had changed. As if people in India, both gurus, their follower and the critics of gurus differ so much in the Western countries from those in India. I do not believe it. That is an artificial, unnatural distinction that I believe is not based in facts. Quite a lot of people here in Amsterdam follow a guru. Andries 23:44, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I took a look in the sanskrit dictionary and actually it do say that Gu = Darkness and Ru = Light. And GuRu = Teacher. -- Mitrapa 18:56, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa
I disagree with your edit, Andries. In all sects the Guru is also a disciple, due to the disciplic succession or parampara. Thus, the assertion that only in a specific sect guru and devotee are servants of God, is incorrect. That assertion applies to all sects. I will correct your edit to reflect this.-- Zappaz 20:48, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
On the Gaudiya website, I could not find any support about your assertion. But I found this:
This seems to mean that guru in that tradition is pretty similar than in other sects (that by the way it is has an extensive paramara starting with Sri Krishna himself...). Read also their theology.. quite fascinating: http://www.gaudiya.com/index.php?topic=theology Can you point me to the right direction to find a reference to your assertion about this sect?-- Zappaz 21:20, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
We had a good, NPOV article. Your edits deleted useful information and made it to be based on a negative POV and negative connotation of the term. I have reverted these edits. Next time you make such a drastic edit, please give your rational in this page. ≈ jossi ≈ 03:28, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
The rationale is that the article was NPOV by omission. You can change the wordings but in no case censor some meanings of the word guru which were skipped. Your suppression is vandalism. -- Pgreenfinch 08:51, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
France (loi About-Picard sur les mouvements sectaires, in 2001), Germany, Belgium, among others. As for accusing me of weasel speech, it doesn't honor you. Well, your problem. -- Pgreenfinch 22:23, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I suppose you are joking to take your sources about that law in ...another wikipedia article. This is called self reference, or am I wrong? But as I appreciate your efforts, and I see that, little by little, you start to see that from the beginning there was ground for the additions I made, although they were not to the taste of some that don't like too much digging into realities, you are welcome to bring your own contribution, for the full information of the readers, by replacing "methods" by "techniques" and adding the bit about "personal judgement" to my wording. Thanks for your good cooperation and will to help in this subject where information should be complete. Then we will not be fully out of the workshop, as will come the question to give a clear structure to this article, which presentation is a bit messy and where important things are not well highlighted, as if they were shameful and better kept in the background where their image fuse with the wallpaper. I can help, of course, but would it be appreciated by some who would prefer to keep some confusion? Maybe you would be better than me to bring that finishing touch, as you seem to have go-between talents, even if sometimes you do it a bit, let us say, harshly. -- Pgreenfinch 08:19, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
guru does not mean spiritual master. that is a fabrication of certain gaudiya vaishnav groups who try to get western disciples to obey them blindly, most notably Iskcon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oookrsna ( talk • contribs) 07:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
You offer no references and I'm not surprised. See Monier-Williams, A Sanskrit-English Dictionary, OUP, 1899. Part of the entry for guru reads: venerable , respectable ; m. any venerable or respectable person (father , mother , or any relative older than one's self) Gobh. SaknakhGr2. Mn. &c. ; a spiritual parent or preceptor (from whom a youth receives the initiatory Mantra or prayer , who instructs him in the Sastras and conducts the necessary ceremonies up to that of investiture which is performed by the Acarya Yajn. i , 34) RPrat. AsavGr2. Pa1rGr2. Mn. &c. ; the chief of (gen. or in comp.) Ca1n2. Ragh. ii , 68 ; (with S3a1ktas) author of a Mantra ; `" preceptor of the gods "' , Br2ihaspati Mn.xi There are half a dozen references in that extract alone. Could you please provide references supporting your statement? AbelBergaigne ( talk) 17:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I need a credible source which specifically states that the word "guru" is used commonly in Buddhism. -- Nosedown ( talk) 20:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
This article needs to be completely rewritten. It's not just a problem of style. There's an overall lack of conceptual clarity. The article displays a vague and confused understanding of the topic. It's a jumble and mishmash of sources. It lacks cohesion and an analytically lucid overall organization. Sections, paragraphs, and sentences follow each other in an irrational and confusing way. Many of the sentences are so vague and imprecise as to be nonsensical. There are problems with factual accuracy and intelligibility throughout. Wikixosa ( talk) 05:03, 5 August 2009
The problem seems to be that various good sources are regularly deleted by Wiki Admins as being not notable and biased. Each time there is a clean-up almost completely unreferenced contents remains. The problem is that those sources which are notable on this topic are not notable also in the West. I have already tried to prepare a reorganization, but all sourced material was deleted before that. You can't write about something, without having sourced material. The other thing is that Guru article would have to be protected. It is a very controversial topic with many people adding their own views, making it impossible to manage the contents by the minority. Every single group of people having a Guru will try to add their teaching to the article. This is not wrong. The problem is to organize it properly and keep it organized. Atmapuri ( talk) 18:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
"The problem is that those sources which are notable on this topic are not notable also in the West." - I'm sorry, but i'm wondering if i understood this correctly. Does this mean that non-Western sources are not notable to Wikipedia in general? That would mean that any sense of bias is gone from this project, if the whole admin-clique disaster wasn't bad enough. ChromeBallz ( talk) 01:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
In some traditions, the Guru Brahma sloka is followed by the following: dhyan moolam guru moorti pooja moolam guru padam mantra moolam guru wakyam moksha moolam guru kripa Akhandmandlakaram vyaptam yen charaacharam, tad padam darshitam yen ,tasmai shri guruve namah twam ev mata cha pita twam ev, twam ev bandhuscha sakha twam ev , twam vidya darvidam twam ev, twam ev sarvam mam dev dev, Brahma nandam param sukhdam kevlam gyan murtim, dwandaatitam gagan sadrasham tasya masya di lakshyam, ekam nityam vimal machlam sarvdikshakshibhutam, bhavatitam trigunrahitam sad gurum tam namami! I can only attempt a feeble translation but if someone else is up to it, I would request them to go ahead. Btw, I'd like to thank the anon who brought this to my notice by editing my user page! -- Gurubrahma ( talk) 16:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
gurur brahma sloka's writer is not Sankaracharya,becouse this sloka from Gurugeetafrom skanthapurana —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kannan843 ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding the "five signs of satguru" in the Upanishads. E.g. a search for समृद्धि = "abundance" सदगुरू = "satguru" उपनिषद् = "upanishad" only gives two results. English results tend to be just quoting this page. There are a couple of sites that quote contemporary gurus giving this list with different Sanskrit romanization and slightly different translations. Anyone know the source for sure? -- Mujokan ( talk) 13:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Reliable sources on Vedanta and Advaita can only include those, who are considered an authority on the subject by those who actually study and follow this teachings. Within Hinduism, the Vedanta and Advaita are followed by the seven Akharas established by Adi Shankaracharya. The Mahanirvani Akhara is considered one of the major ones. If you read the biography of the author for which you dispute source reliability and notability, you will notice that he holds the highest title of Mahamandaleshwar in Hindusim as the member of Mahanirvani Akhara. His view is not the view of one yogi, but shared by all followers of Adi Shankaracharya. The Acharya of Panchayati Mahanirvani Akhara said during the Kumbha Mela 2010 in Haridwar that: "... there are many stars among Mahamandaleshwars of Vedanta but among them the very incredible star is Swami Maheshwarananda..." and other member of the governing body said "... Swami Vivekanada also went abroad, but the work of Swami Maheshwarananda is unexcelled... ". The 15min video from Haridwar recorded in Feb 2010 can be seen here.
We should however concentrate on the specific two additions for which I believe belong in the lede of the article about the meaning of the Guru in Hinduism.
It has been widely disputed on this and other pages and also in the west in general, if Guru is required to reach self realization or not.
Perhaps for balance we should have a Notable achievements and good works section? Rumiton ( talk) 10:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I missing description of "Developer guru".
Basicly it is guy which is much better then another developers. Usualy make miracles (like coding really fast, do for waiting what another say "imposible" etc.) 193.179.131.6 ( talk) 06:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the reference to Kalchuri, Meher Prabhu. For discussion, see RS/N and this Talk page. Simon Kidd ( talk) 08:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
There is nothing in the RSN page you link to that gives you the right to remove referenced text. You are removing valid information from articles acting against consensus. Hoverfish Talk 20:41, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
You can't unilaterally decide that Lord Meher is not a reliable source. You can't unilaterally decide that it is devotional and not a reliable biography. What is "Devotional"? and who decides. Not You, Mr Kidd. Hoverfish Talk 16:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
The definition in the lead seems to tell us more about the rather bad use of the term in the USA than anything. The lead is supposed to be a summary of the most important aspects of the article. As it is, I see an undue weight problem in that section. Hoverfish Talk 09:20, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi wikieditors, does anyone else think that an article about devotees may be a good article for wikipedia? We have the guru page but not the devotee page. It somehow seems unbalanced. When one types in devotee one gets redirected to a disambiguation page for devotion, but none of the potential pages are about the devotee in the sense that Vivekanada, for example, was a devotee of Ramakrishna. There is Hindu_devotional_movements, but it's not exactly what I am thinking of. So... just putting this idea out there if anyone wants to take it up the baton. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! ? Best, Bodhadeepika ( talk) 18:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
This article had many sentences and paragraphs without source, some with cite pending tags for a while. I have added sources in a few cases, but deleted all WP:OR. If someone can find reliable sources for the deleted text, please add it back with the WP:V sources. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 22:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Sérgio Itigo: The lead should summarize the main article, and mentioning that the Guru concept is also found in Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism is WP:DUE in the lead. Why are you deleting it from the lead? Similarly, I tried to verify the non-English source you added, but it is WP:PRIMARY and you seem to be interpreting the primary source, which is not ok. If you have a secondary source for the interpretation, please provide. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 03:51, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
@ WebCite: why is this unsourced text appropriate? why is it due? Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 21:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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This article should be adapted following the French example i.e. paragraphs original meaning, current meaning and cult problem What should be mentioned too is Anthony Storr's book 'A Study of Gurus' in which he argues that gurus suffer from a mild form of schizophrenia. Please help. I have limited time. Andries 21:17, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Not only Christians use this 'alternative definition'. But it is current usage by everybody. Some Christians use the word guru even for Jesus. Andries 08:20, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User Mkweise says that satguru means teacher of truth but I think s/he is wrong. It means true guru i.e. the oppposite of false guru. Andries 19:12, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
User Mkweise says that all sects of Hinduism say that a living guru is necessary to attain Moksha. I think s/he is wrong. Do the followers of e.g. the late Shirdi Sai Baba say this? I don't thinks so. Besides how can s/he be so sure about this (It is written as if it is a fact)? Surely MKweise has not studies all sects of Hinduism. Andries 19:12, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hello, MKweise, you wrote that sat guru means teacher of truth but I always thought that it meant true guru, i.e. the opposite of fraud guru. Do u have any references for your assertion? Andries 18:57, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
By the way, where is your evidence for your assertion that all sects of Hinduism say that a living guru is necessary. To be honest, I don't believe at all that you are right in this case. Besides, how can you state this as a fact. Have you studies ALL sects of Hindsuism? If not, how many have you studied? Andries 18:32, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Mkweise, I have another objection to the sentence "All Hindu denominations hold that a personal relationship with a living guru, revered as the embodiment of God, is essential in seeking moksha." ISKCON followers would consider it blasphemy to rever a living guru as God, unless the guru happens to be Krishna or the Kalki avatar. Andries 18:54, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
He said: "The Krsna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion", and on another occasion wrote: "One should clearly understand that the Krsna consciousness movement is not preaching the so-called Hindu religion." Caitanya, OTOH, did consider himself a Hindu—making the issue an excellent source of endless, pointless arguments.
Mkweise, with regards to guru again. Why did ur remove the section 'original and literal meaning? I found it very useful. I reverted it. Andries 21:29, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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I removed the footer {{msg:cults}} from the article since this article is not primarily about cults. Davodd 11:02, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)
I removed the edits by .140 that said that Guru is greater than God according the Svetara upanishad. I checked the upanishad and it does not say so. This ip is used to defend Elan Vital and to defend its FAQ against its critics [1]. Andries 15:55, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I would much like to get integrated the Buddhist notion on "Guru" into this exelent article. -- Mitrapa 17:36, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa
This section Guru#Attraction_by_gurus seems to me to be just a POV, but it is written as a fact. Either someone cares to re-write it in NPOV voice and provide references, or it should be deleted from the article. ≈ jossi ≈ 02:32, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)
I can see that there are discrepancies of understanding in regard of the meaning of the word "guru". I offer this from the Darmayoga.org dictionary [2]:
There is also a prayer by Ram das as follows:
And finally, quoting from an article from Kathleen Hunt in Jai! magazine (from the Samadi yoga website, that includes a good explanation of Aarti as well)
-- Zappaz 16:34, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
i think there are different opinions in the wide wide world of indian religion, so sikhs(and also sant mat) claim this use of guru for them, see Guru Grant Sahib, others translate ru as remover ( this was the first version in this article), please see Guru and Teacher, there is no evidence that the explanation of gu means darkness and ru means light is valid all over india. and there is no way to derive it from hindi as well. so the meanings of the syllables may happened to be added more in a poetic way, like gu means greater and ru means god ;-) ; i would suggest to present all meanings that appear on this term and explain where they come from instead of scratching for example the "remover" in favor of the by prem rawat prefered "light". this was some kind of an encyclopedia, wasn't it? thomas
I changed back the title of a subsection that Jossi had changed. As if people in India, both gurus, their follower and the critics of gurus differ so much in the Western countries from those in India. I do not believe it. That is an artificial, unnatural distinction that I believe is not based in facts. Quite a lot of people here in Amsterdam follow a guru. Andries 23:44, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I took a look in the sanskrit dictionary and actually it do say that Gu = Darkness and Ru = Light. And GuRu = Teacher. -- Mitrapa 18:56, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)Mitrapa
I disagree with your edit, Andries. In all sects the Guru is also a disciple, due to the disciplic succession or parampara. Thus, the assertion that only in a specific sect guru and devotee are servants of God, is incorrect. That assertion applies to all sects. I will correct your edit to reflect this.-- Zappaz 20:48, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
On the Gaudiya website, I could not find any support about your assertion. But I found this:
This seems to mean that guru in that tradition is pretty similar than in other sects (that by the way it is has an extensive paramara starting with Sri Krishna himself...). Read also their theology.. quite fascinating: http://www.gaudiya.com/index.php?topic=theology Can you point me to the right direction to find a reference to your assertion about this sect?-- Zappaz 21:20, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
We had a good, NPOV article. Your edits deleted useful information and made it to be based on a negative POV and negative connotation of the term. I have reverted these edits. Next time you make such a drastic edit, please give your rational in this page. ≈ jossi ≈ 03:28, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
The rationale is that the article was NPOV by omission. You can change the wordings but in no case censor some meanings of the word guru which were skipped. Your suppression is vandalism. -- Pgreenfinch 08:51, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
France (loi About-Picard sur les mouvements sectaires, in 2001), Germany, Belgium, among others. As for accusing me of weasel speech, it doesn't honor you. Well, your problem. -- Pgreenfinch 22:23, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I suppose you are joking to take your sources about that law in ...another wikipedia article. This is called self reference, or am I wrong? But as I appreciate your efforts, and I see that, little by little, you start to see that from the beginning there was ground for the additions I made, although they were not to the taste of some that don't like too much digging into realities, you are welcome to bring your own contribution, for the full information of the readers, by replacing "methods" by "techniques" and adding the bit about "personal judgement" to my wording. Thanks for your good cooperation and will to help in this subject where information should be complete. Then we will not be fully out of the workshop, as will come the question to give a clear structure to this article, which presentation is a bit messy and where important things are not well highlighted, as if they were shameful and better kept in the background where their image fuse with the wallpaper. I can help, of course, but would it be appreciated by some who would prefer to keep some confusion? Maybe you would be better than me to bring that finishing touch, as you seem to have go-between talents, even if sometimes you do it a bit, let us say, harshly. -- Pgreenfinch 08:19, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
guru does not mean spiritual master. that is a fabrication of certain gaudiya vaishnav groups who try to get western disciples to obey them blindly, most notably Iskcon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oookrsna ( talk • contribs) 07:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
You offer no references and I'm not surprised. See Monier-Williams, A Sanskrit-English Dictionary, OUP, 1899. Part of the entry for guru reads: venerable , respectable ; m. any venerable or respectable person (father , mother , or any relative older than one's self) Gobh. SaknakhGr2. Mn. &c. ; a spiritual parent or preceptor (from whom a youth receives the initiatory Mantra or prayer , who instructs him in the Sastras and conducts the necessary ceremonies up to that of investiture which is performed by the Acarya Yajn. i , 34) RPrat. AsavGr2. Pa1rGr2. Mn. &c. ; the chief of (gen. or in comp.) Ca1n2. Ragh. ii , 68 ; (with S3a1ktas) author of a Mantra ; `" preceptor of the gods "' , Br2ihaspati Mn.xi There are half a dozen references in that extract alone. Could you please provide references supporting your statement? AbelBergaigne ( talk) 17:00, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I need a credible source which specifically states that the word "guru" is used commonly in Buddhism. -- Nosedown ( talk) 20:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
This article needs to be completely rewritten. It's not just a problem of style. There's an overall lack of conceptual clarity. The article displays a vague and confused understanding of the topic. It's a jumble and mishmash of sources. It lacks cohesion and an analytically lucid overall organization. Sections, paragraphs, and sentences follow each other in an irrational and confusing way. Many of the sentences are so vague and imprecise as to be nonsensical. There are problems with factual accuracy and intelligibility throughout. Wikixosa ( talk) 05:03, 5 August 2009
The problem seems to be that various good sources are regularly deleted by Wiki Admins as being not notable and biased. Each time there is a clean-up almost completely unreferenced contents remains. The problem is that those sources which are notable on this topic are not notable also in the West. I have already tried to prepare a reorganization, but all sourced material was deleted before that. You can't write about something, without having sourced material. The other thing is that Guru article would have to be protected. It is a very controversial topic with many people adding their own views, making it impossible to manage the contents by the minority. Every single group of people having a Guru will try to add their teaching to the article. This is not wrong. The problem is to organize it properly and keep it organized. Atmapuri ( talk) 18:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
"The problem is that those sources which are notable on this topic are not notable also in the West." - I'm sorry, but i'm wondering if i understood this correctly. Does this mean that non-Western sources are not notable to Wikipedia in general? That would mean that any sense of bias is gone from this project, if the whole admin-clique disaster wasn't bad enough. ChromeBallz ( talk) 01:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
In some traditions, the Guru Brahma sloka is followed by the following: dhyan moolam guru moorti pooja moolam guru padam mantra moolam guru wakyam moksha moolam guru kripa Akhandmandlakaram vyaptam yen charaacharam, tad padam darshitam yen ,tasmai shri guruve namah twam ev mata cha pita twam ev, twam ev bandhuscha sakha twam ev , twam vidya darvidam twam ev, twam ev sarvam mam dev dev, Brahma nandam param sukhdam kevlam gyan murtim, dwandaatitam gagan sadrasham tasya masya di lakshyam, ekam nityam vimal machlam sarvdikshakshibhutam, bhavatitam trigunrahitam sad gurum tam namami! I can only attempt a feeble translation but if someone else is up to it, I would request them to go ahead. Btw, I'd like to thank the anon who brought this to my notice by editing my user page! -- Gurubrahma ( talk) 16:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
gurur brahma sloka's writer is not Sankaracharya,becouse this sloka from Gurugeetafrom skanthapurana —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kannan843 ( talk • contribs) 13:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding the "five signs of satguru" in the Upanishads. E.g. a search for समृद्धि = "abundance" सदगुरू = "satguru" उपनिषद् = "upanishad" only gives two results. English results tend to be just quoting this page. There are a couple of sites that quote contemporary gurus giving this list with different Sanskrit romanization and slightly different translations. Anyone know the source for sure? -- Mujokan ( talk) 13:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Reliable sources on Vedanta and Advaita can only include those, who are considered an authority on the subject by those who actually study and follow this teachings. Within Hinduism, the Vedanta and Advaita are followed by the seven Akharas established by Adi Shankaracharya. The Mahanirvani Akhara is considered one of the major ones. If you read the biography of the author for which you dispute source reliability and notability, you will notice that he holds the highest title of Mahamandaleshwar in Hindusim as the member of Mahanirvani Akhara. His view is not the view of one yogi, but shared by all followers of Adi Shankaracharya. The Acharya of Panchayati Mahanirvani Akhara said during the Kumbha Mela 2010 in Haridwar that: "... there are many stars among Mahamandaleshwars of Vedanta but among them the very incredible star is Swami Maheshwarananda..." and other member of the governing body said "... Swami Vivekanada also went abroad, but the work of Swami Maheshwarananda is unexcelled... ". The 15min video from Haridwar recorded in Feb 2010 can be seen here.
We should however concentrate on the specific two additions for which I believe belong in the lede of the article about the meaning of the Guru in Hinduism.
It has been widely disputed on this and other pages and also in the west in general, if Guru is required to reach self realization or not.
Perhaps for balance we should have a Notable achievements and good works section? Rumiton ( talk) 10:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I missing description of "Developer guru".
Basicly it is guy which is much better then another developers. Usualy make miracles (like coding really fast, do for waiting what another say "imposible" etc.) 193.179.131.6 ( talk) 06:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the reference to Kalchuri, Meher Prabhu. For discussion, see RS/N and this Talk page. Simon Kidd ( talk) 08:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
There is nothing in the RSN page you link to that gives you the right to remove referenced text. You are removing valid information from articles acting against consensus. Hoverfish Talk 20:41, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
You can't unilaterally decide that Lord Meher is not a reliable source. You can't unilaterally decide that it is devotional and not a reliable biography. What is "Devotional"? and who decides. Not You, Mr Kidd. Hoverfish Talk 16:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
The definition in the lead seems to tell us more about the rather bad use of the term in the USA than anything. The lead is supposed to be a summary of the most important aspects of the article. As it is, I see an undue weight problem in that section. Hoverfish Talk 09:20, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi wikieditors, does anyone else think that an article about devotees may be a good article for wikipedia? We have the guru page but not the devotee page. It somehow seems unbalanced. When one types in devotee one gets redirected to a disambiguation page for devotion, but none of the potential pages are about the devotee in the sense that Vivekanada, for example, was a devotee of Ramakrishna. There is Hindu_devotional_movements, but it's not exactly what I am thinking of. So... just putting this idea out there if anyone wants to take it up the baton. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! ? Best, Bodhadeepika ( talk) 18:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
This article had many sentences and paragraphs without source, some with cite pending tags for a while. I have added sources in a few cases, but deleted all WP:OR. If someone can find reliable sources for the deleted text, please add it back with the WP:V sources. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 22:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
@ Sérgio Itigo: The lead should summarize the main article, and mentioning that the Guru concept is also found in Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism is WP:DUE in the lead. Why are you deleting it from the lead? Similarly, I tried to verify the non-English source you added, but it is WP:PRIMARY and you seem to be interpreting the primary source, which is not ok. If you have a secondary source for the interpretation, please provide. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 03:51, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
@ WebCite: why is this unsourced text appropriate? why is it due? Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 21:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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