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The former main contributor and editor of this article ( Charlie Huang, 2005-2008) would like to thank the following people for their help in this article:
Below are some former links and information that has since been removed from the article. They are reproduced here for reference as they are very useful and important to further qin study. Please do not remove any of them.
I'm moving most of the reading list here for archive:
German books on qin:
Music books:
—Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlieHuang ( talk • contribs) 11:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
My someone has been busy...
I'll move some external links to here to chop it down. Most of them are useful, but in order to comply...
Qin society sites
General Qin sites
Sites dealing with qin notation and tablature
Other specialist Qin sites
Sites with a little information on Qin
-- Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 10:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Additional:
Other specialist Qin sites
Sites with music samples and/or videos
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 11:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This batch was deleted so I have transfered them onto here for reference:
Qin societies:
General Qin websites:
Sites dealing with qin notation and tablature:
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 09:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Please add new points of discussion and questions about the article at the bottom of the page.
OK, I added the too long tag because the article is one of the longer ones on all of Wikipedia, and should be split into sub-articles. It's 3 or 4 times the suggested length. I'm going to add it back in; if you think there's a good reason to remove it, please explain why here. Also, please assume good faith; I was not adding the tags wantonly without a desire to engage on talk page. - Patstuart (talk) (contribs) 06:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've created two articles in Classical Chinese and Cantonese. So far, someone has expanded the Classical Chinese one to a good degree. I'll mess around with that if i feel like it (since my Classical Chinese is rather novice level). I'll probably expand the Cantonese one since I am Cantonese myself. I'm relectant to do anything with the Mandarin one as it will require a major rewrite to get it to any standard near the English one (it mostly consists of lists of books and a general introduction). I won't bother with the other languages that I don't know; any new articles in new languages will be linked to each other and the Commons article so they all connect to each other. -- Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I've removed it form all guqin articles as I've decided to hang my wiki brush. I feel it is more or less complete. I will leave the article in the capable hands of Mr. Bagagnani and all those concerned. I will, of course, monitor the article and stop vandalism, etc. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 16:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Right, I have personally been receiving a lot of stick recently from the qin community about referencing and copyrighting in the article and have frankly had enough of it. I will now do the dubious process of hacking the article and removing anything I deem to be vaguely 'not publicly known' or 'not my own' etc. Please do not revert and if you want to put certain information back in, you should discuss it here first.
For sake of reference, the original version is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Guqin&oldid=137294814
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 17:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
You see the dilemma I'm in. Believe you me, I have had indirect 'threats' of being 'excommunicated' from the so-called 'qin community'! It's all a bit silly as far as I see it. Of course, if any of you wants to see the e-mails of said complaints, then I can e-mail them to you. Then you'll see what I'm up against. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 18:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
If anyone can retrieve the list of qin in pop culture then please do and insert it into the main article. The guys that deleted the pop culture article didn't transfer the list back onto the main article wasting all that effort! -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 10:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 11:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
added tone to the IPA. Of course, the diacritics don't match Pinyin. kwami ( talk) 09:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
On reading the article, I'm struck by the large amount of Chinese (and some Japanese and Korean) characters that pop up everywhere. I'm not talking about the spellings for guqin, or for other terms specificially related to the instruments, but about the Chinese names for all of the people, works, and other miscellaneous words. Effort should be given to trim any excess Chinese out of the article, as it clutters the article for the average English reader. Basically, any Asian characters that follow a blue link are unneeded, as anyone who wishes to know the spelling in the original language can find it its main article. Characters after red links and normal text generally are ok to stay until a stub can be created. On that note, perhaps someone with the know-how could create stubs for the "famous gin pieces" to establish their notability. I'm going to go ahead and start removing some of these unneeded characters.-- SeizureDog ( talk) 19:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
This has come up at MOS talk, and I'm using the lead of this article as an extreme example of such cluttering. The solution that I'm proposing is the sequestering of the transliterations in a Glossary at the bottom of the article. The concern, BTW, is not with the infobox or the references. Tony (talk) 08:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, it was expected since I resigned from making major contributions to it a few months back after the hoo-hars. Unfortunately, none of my colleagues are willing to take the helm or have experience in Wiki to do the nessary work to it so I'm afraid it will go into decline unless I receive a full mandate from my peers to assume editorship of it. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 13:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
This article uses a non-standard layout for references. The normal approach lists only those sources that were used to create the article under "References". Things that were not used to create the article, but which might be interesting to the reader anyway, are listed under "Further reading" and/or "External links", which are properly not part of the "References" section, but separate things like "See also". Is there a particular reason why this article uses such an unusual approach? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, since I have improved my playing and have recorded numerous videos I have decided to replace the two or three videos with better ones. Take note. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 14:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Scale of harmonics should be merged to Guqin because "Scale of harmonics" is about a scale of the "Guqin", lacks references, and this scale is covered in "Guqin". Hyacinth ( talk) 06:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I have recently been informed about the publication of this book by my colleague Julian Joseph. It is basically an edited (albeit, badly) copy of this Wiki article thrown into book form. From what I've heard, it is shabbily done. One wonders why one will get this book as all of the information is available here for free! Regardless, I am planning on writing my own book based on this article and the sister articles but totally re-written and edited to a professional standard with full citations as well as new information/sections and, crucially, peer reviewed by my qin colleagues. This will set things right. Personally, one of the reasons why I do not edit the article anymore is because of things like this happening. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 18:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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Surely 派 is translated as "school", especially when referring to a specific musical tradition or style. "Clique" also has a negative connotation indicating exclusivity, which I'm not sure is intended here. The whole section is problematic, and might be original research. Given that there is already a section on Historical schools, and there is a separate article on Qin schools, it may be better to delete the whole thing unless someone else is prepared to rewrite and source the section. Hzh ( talk) 12:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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The former main contributor and editor of this article ( Charlie Huang, 2005-2008) would like to thank the following people for their help in this article:
Below are some former links and information that has since been removed from the article. They are reproduced here for reference as they are very useful and important to further qin study. Please do not remove any of them.
I'm moving most of the reading list here for archive:
German books on qin:
Music books:
—Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlieHuang ( talk • contribs) 11:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
My someone has been busy...
I'll move some external links to here to chop it down. Most of them are useful, but in order to comply...
Qin society sites
General Qin sites
Sites dealing with qin notation and tablature
Other specialist Qin sites
Sites with a little information on Qin
-- Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 10:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Additional:
Other specialist Qin sites
Sites with music samples and/or videos
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 11:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
This batch was deleted so I have transfered them onto here for reference:
Qin societies:
General Qin websites:
Sites dealing with qin notation and tablature:
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 09:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Please add new points of discussion and questions about the article at the bottom of the page.
OK, I added the too long tag because the article is one of the longer ones on all of Wikipedia, and should be split into sub-articles. It's 3 or 4 times the suggested length. I'm going to add it back in; if you think there's a good reason to remove it, please explain why here. Also, please assume good faith; I was not adding the tags wantonly without a desire to engage on talk page. - Patstuart (talk) (contribs) 06:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've created two articles in Classical Chinese and Cantonese. So far, someone has expanded the Classical Chinese one to a good degree. I'll mess around with that if i feel like it (since my Classical Chinese is rather novice level). I'll probably expand the Cantonese one since I am Cantonese myself. I'm relectant to do anything with the Mandarin one as it will require a major rewrite to get it to any standard near the English one (it mostly consists of lists of books and a general introduction). I won't bother with the other languages that I don't know; any new articles in new languages will be linked to each other and the Commons article so they all connect to each other. -- Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I've removed it form all guqin articles as I've decided to hang my wiki brush. I feel it is more or less complete. I will leave the article in the capable hands of Mr. Bagagnani and all those concerned. I will, of course, monitor the article and stop vandalism, etc. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 16:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Right, I have personally been receiving a lot of stick recently from the qin community about referencing and copyrighting in the article and have frankly had enough of it. I will now do the dubious process of hacking the article and removing anything I deem to be vaguely 'not publicly known' or 'not my own' etc. Please do not revert and if you want to put certain information back in, you should discuss it here first.
For sake of reference, the original version is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Guqin&oldid=137294814
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 17:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
You see the dilemma I'm in. Believe you me, I have had indirect 'threats' of being 'excommunicated' from the so-called 'qin community'! It's all a bit silly as far as I see it. Of course, if any of you wants to see the e-mails of said complaints, then I can e-mail them to you. Then you'll see what I'm up against. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 18:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
If anyone can retrieve the list of qin in pop culture then please do and insert it into the main article. The guys that deleted the pop culture article didn't transfer the list back onto the main article wasting all that effort! -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 10:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 11:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
added tone to the IPA. Of course, the diacritics don't match Pinyin. kwami ( talk) 09:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
On reading the article, I'm struck by the large amount of Chinese (and some Japanese and Korean) characters that pop up everywhere. I'm not talking about the spellings for guqin, or for other terms specificially related to the instruments, but about the Chinese names for all of the people, works, and other miscellaneous words. Effort should be given to trim any excess Chinese out of the article, as it clutters the article for the average English reader. Basically, any Asian characters that follow a blue link are unneeded, as anyone who wishes to know the spelling in the original language can find it its main article. Characters after red links and normal text generally are ok to stay until a stub can be created. On that note, perhaps someone with the know-how could create stubs for the "famous gin pieces" to establish their notability. I'm going to go ahead and start removing some of these unneeded characters.-- SeizureDog ( talk) 19:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
This has come up at MOS talk, and I'm using the lead of this article as an extreme example of such cluttering. The solution that I'm proposing is the sequestering of the transliterations in a Glossary at the bottom of the article. The concern, BTW, is not with the infobox or the references. Tony (talk) 08:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, it was expected since I resigned from making major contributions to it a few months back after the hoo-hars. Unfortunately, none of my colleagues are willing to take the helm or have experience in Wiki to do the nessary work to it so I'm afraid it will go into decline unless I receive a full mandate from my peers to assume editorship of it. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 13:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
This article uses a non-standard layout for references. The normal approach lists only those sources that were used to create the article under "References". Things that were not used to create the article, but which might be interesting to the reader anyway, are listed under "Further reading" and/or "External links", which are properly not part of the "References" section, but separate things like "See also". Is there a particular reason why this article uses such an unusual approach? WhatamIdoing ( talk) 04:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, since I have improved my playing and have recorded numerous videos I have decided to replace the two or three videos with better ones. Take note. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 14:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Scale of harmonics should be merged to Guqin because "Scale of harmonics" is about a scale of the "Guqin", lacks references, and this scale is covered in "Guqin". Hyacinth ( talk) 06:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I have recently been informed about the publication of this book by my colleague Julian Joseph. It is basically an edited (albeit, badly) copy of this Wiki article thrown into book form. From what I've heard, it is shabbily done. One wonders why one will get this book as all of the information is available here for free! Regardless, I am planning on writing my own book based on this article and the sister articles but totally re-written and edited to a professional standard with full citations as well as new information/sections and, crucially, peer reviewed by my qin colleagues. This will set things right. Personally, one of the reasons why I do not edit the article anymore is because of things like this happening. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 18:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 13:26, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Surely 派 is translated as "school", especially when referring to a specific musical tradition or style. "Clique" also has a negative connotation indicating exclusivity, which I'm not sure is intended here. The whole section is problematic, and might be original research. Given that there is already a section on Historical schools, and there is a separate article on Qin schools, it may be better to delete the whole thing unless someone else is prepared to rewrite and source the section. Hzh ( talk) 12:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)