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What does a 20th century artist's rendition of Óðinn do in this article - even if he's carrying a spear? With *horns* on his helmet? On top of that, it's on the Library of Congress? Replace with something relevant that doesn't make you puke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.142.209 ( talk) 13:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Why are the pop references taken out? Just because there are more of them than information currently? That sounds like a retarded reason to delete them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.5.15 ( talk • contribs) 14:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The question is, do the pop culture references add to the understanding of the article? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of facts; any material present in an article should add some value to the article aside from "this thing was also called (article title)." For example, as an article which someone else on this page has linked deomonstrates, the sentence "The plot of "The Rugrats Movie" features Didi Pickles giving birth to a second baby" adds no value to the entry on "Baby," even though it is indisputably a reference to a baby. It would be silly to add that sentence as it does not help the reader understand the topic of the article. Similarly, a collection of trivial pop culture references to Gungnir is unnecessary unless they help explain the topic of the article. There are several "____ in popular culture" articles, perhaps you would like to create one for Gungnir if you feel this information is worthwhile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.45.110 ( talk) 01:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Read this [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.41.230.90 ( talk) 06:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
I would like to suggest changing the definition of Gungnir from spear to javelin. Gungnir is most definately a javelin since its mainly used as a porjectile weapon.
Nik Sage ( talk/ contrib) 03:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
[outdent (edit conflict)] Thought I'd join the discussion here. This seems more like a linguistic problem than anything else. The Norse had a lot of words for their spear-weapons. Nafnaþulur (in stanza 53) gives us about 20 words for something we mainly translate with one: "spear". The weapon Gungnir is associated with is geirr. Geirr is always translated as spear.
Gungnir could be both hurled and thrusted, from what the sources tell us. "Javelin" is a very confined term, only describing "a light spear designed primarily for casting as a ranged weapon" (from Javelin (weapon) lead), while "spear" is much more versatile and fitting.
It is not enough to say that one single book describes Gungnir as a javelin, basically all other books do not. I think the scholars have already pulled the vote for us. – Holt T• C 09:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Gungnir is referred to almost exclusively as a spear. The vastly overwhelming number of references and depictions of Gungnir portray it as a spear. Insisting that it is not a spear and is in fact a javelin, as has been pointed out, verges on original research and suggests that it is wikipedia's job to carry out this research and overturn centuries of literary, mythological, and artistic convention. Furthermore, it seems to be an overly technical and literal approach to the topic - rather like suggesting Sleipnir is not a horse as horses do not have eight legs. Nik Sage, you are obviously well informed about military history, but the proper English term for Gungnir is not an issue that can be resolved simply by an understanding of military technology; it is not wikipedia's place to go against the longstanding practice of considering Gungnir a spear. And also, given that most people describe it as a spear, insisting on referring to it as a javelin could potentially be confusing to readers - perhaps suggesting to the uninformed there was both a spear and a javelin with this name. Finally, spears can be thrown; just because there are instances of it being thrown does not mean wikipedia should insist on calling it something most sources don't call it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.105.36.122 ( talk) 21:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Geirr is cognate with gyre and gyration. Gungnir does not sway but homes on its target, gyrating like the needle of a compass or a divining pendulum. "Swaying" is an inappropriate definition. Klasovsky ( talk) 21:08, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
According to the intro of this article, Gungnir "always hits its mark and always kills". In which text does it actually say that? I can't seem to find any mention of this. The article states that Gungnir is described in Skáldskaparmál as "having the ability to always hit its mark". What I read in Skáldskaparmál is "that the spear would never stop in its thrust", which is something different IMO. Perhaps it always hitting its mark is just implied? Munin75 ( talk) 14:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I think this, like the reference to Gae Bulg at the bottom are the result of too man people having played Fate/Stay Night. 69.158.119.190 ( talk) 21:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
A number of sources (the earliest of which I can find is here) indicate that any oath sworn on Gungnir (or, some sources say, on its tip) cannot be broken. Does anyone know the original source of this? Should it go in the article? -- Aquillion ( talk) 18:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
On this and on many other sites where I've searched, the etymology of "Gungnir" is some variation of "the swaying one". But what actual Norse grammatical morphemes are involved? Does "Gungnir" derive from some sort of Norse participle or something? I want to learn more information about the name's specific morphology, the word roots involved, etc. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 03:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
gunga means coward, I think it draws from there but I ain't sure. so probably means the one that makes cowards, or one that makes people shake or something dunno though. 2409:4073:10C:7F6E:3A2F:831:3496:E ( talk) 20:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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What does a 20th century artist's rendition of Óðinn do in this article - even if he's carrying a spear? With *horns* on his helmet? On top of that, it's on the Library of Congress? Replace with something relevant that doesn't make you puke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.142.209 ( talk) 13:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Why are the pop references taken out? Just because there are more of them than information currently? That sounds like a retarded reason to delete them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.5.15 ( talk • contribs) 14:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
The question is, do the pop culture references add to the understanding of the article? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of facts; any material present in an article should add some value to the article aside from "this thing was also called (article title)." For example, as an article which someone else on this page has linked deomonstrates, the sentence "The plot of "The Rugrats Movie" features Didi Pickles giving birth to a second baby" adds no value to the entry on "Baby," even though it is indisputably a reference to a baby. It would be silly to add that sentence as it does not help the reader understand the topic of the article. Similarly, a collection of trivial pop culture references to Gungnir is unnecessary unless they help explain the topic of the article. There are several "____ in popular culture" articles, perhaps you would like to create one for Gungnir if you feel this information is worthwhile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.45.110 ( talk) 01:29, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Read this [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.41.230.90 ( talk) 06:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC).
I would like to suggest changing the definition of Gungnir from spear to javelin. Gungnir is most definately a javelin since its mainly used as a porjectile weapon.
Nik Sage ( talk/ contrib) 03:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
[outdent (edit conflict)] Thought I'd join the discussion here. This seems more like a linguistic problem than anything else. The Norse had a lot of words for their spear-weapons. Nafnaþulur (in stanza 53) gives us about 20 words for something we mainly translate with one: "spear". The weapon Gungnir is associated with is geirr. Geirr is always translated as spear.
Gungnir could be both hurled and thrusted, from what the sources tell us. "Javelin" is a very confined term, only describing "a light spear designed primarily for casting as a ranged weapon" (from Javelin (weapon) lead), while "spear" is much more versatile and fitting.
It is not enough to say that one single book describes Gungnir as a javelin, basically all other books do not. I think the scholars have already pulled the vote for us. – Holt T• C 09:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Gungnir is referred to almost exclusively as a spear. The vastly overwhelming number of references and depictions of Gungnir portray it as a spear. Insisting that it is not a spear and is in fact a javelin, as has been pointed out, verges on original research and suggests that it is wikipedia's job to carry out this research and overturn centuries of literary, mythological, and artistic convention. Furthermore, it seems to be an overly technical and literal approach to the topic - rather like suggesting Sleipnir is not a horse as horses do not have eight legs. Nik Sage, you are obviously well informed about military history, but the proper English term for Gungnir is not an issue that can be resolved simply by an understanding of military technology; it is not wikipedia's place to go against the longstanding practice of considering Gungnir a spear. And also, given that most people describe it as a spear, insisting on referring to it as a javelin could potentially be confusing to readers - perhaps suggesting to the uninformed there was both a spear and a javelin with this name. Finally, spears can be thrown; just because there are instances of it being thrown does not mean wikipedia should insist on calling it something most sources don't call it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.105.36.122 ( talk) 21:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Geirr is cognate with gyre and gyration. Gungnir does not sway but homes on its target, gyrating like the needle of a compass or a divining pendulum. "Swaying" is an inappropriate definition. Klasovsky ( talk) 21:08, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
According to the intro of this article, Gungnir "always hits its mark and always kills". In which text does it actually say that? I can't seem to find any mention of this. The article states that Gungnir is described in Skáldskaparmál as "having the ability to always hit its mark". What I read in Skáldskaparmál is "that the spear would never stop in its thrust", which is something different IMO. Perhaps it always hitting its mark is just implied? Munin75 ( talk) 14:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I think this, like the reference to Gae Bulg at the bottom are the result of too man people having played Fate/Stay Night. 69.158.119.190 ( talk) 21:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
A number of sources (the earliest of which I can find is here) indicate that any oath sworn on Gungnir (or, some sources say, on its tip) cannot be broken. Does anyone know the original source of this? Should it go in the article? -- Aquillion ( talk) 18:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
On this and on many other sites where I've searched, the etymology of "Gungnir" is some variation of "the swaying one". But what actual Norse grammatical morphemes are involved? Does "Gungnir" derive from some sort of Norse participle or something? I want to learn more information about the name's specific morphology, the word roots involved, etc. - Gilgamesh ( talk) 03:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
gunga means coward, I think it draws from there but I ain't sure. so probably means the one that makes cowards, or one that makes people shake or something dunno though. 2409:4073:10C:7F6E:3A2F:831:3496:E ( talk) 20:41, 3 March 2021 (UTC)