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So, do all these below have anything to do with "Freyja is related to Gullveig" beside that they both practice seið?? Why Frigg's adultery and Aurboda and stuffs are under "Potential connections to Freyja"?? This section is absurd and need to be rewritten. Please. 222.252.231.117 13:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
This is pretty stupid. Freyja is Gullveig because they are Vanir and they practice magic and related to wealth? All Vanir practice magic and related to wealth as far as I know. With this logic: John and I are both English and we both speak English and we both like soccer, then I am John?? Those people who wrote about Paganism tend to make-it-up. They just got a story written somewhere, and they never care about who wrote it, when was it written and they take over other people's ideas and change their ideas into "facts". 123.19.43.193 ( talk) 16:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC) --- I agree, but sadly it is a trend to over associate mythical figures amongst modern scholars 209.247.21.199 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC).
An anonymous users (probably a single user with a shifting IP) who keep reverting back the page to their edit that attempts to debunk Turville-Petre's notion of Freyja potentially being the same figure as Gullveig at one point in time. There are many connections and Turville-Petre's background makes him quite qualified for such a claim but despite this he is called "Just an American" in one edit summary by IP 222.252.224.167.
The problem here is that select quotes from the Edda are being used to promote an opinion solely based off of the Eddas. The Eddas are nothing more than a collection of riddles. The Germanic deities were never static, they've changed a lot, with some permanent characteristics. The Eddas are only then-contemporary tellings of much older stories with likely very different content, much of it very likely censored by Snorri. See anything in the Eddas about Freyr's erect phallus? Just an example.
As Haukurth and I have said before, this is a violation of Wikipedia's NPOV policy and should not be allowed to stand. Please refrain from adding this back in its current form or it will be reverted. If you want to add a challenge to Turville-Petre's theory - and the many that support it - you're going to need to directly quote the challenge and not create it yourself here. :bloodofox: 18:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
My problem is: I am sick with you so-called wiki editors. You, for example, claimed to be an Icelander. Knew that the "goddess is prostitute" is from a later source, but never tried to cite that information. You instead are always ready to accuse people's entries for being personal essay and original research just because you don't like it, although it is super well-sourced. 203.210.241.204 12:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Rydberg's multiple identifications are generally not accepted by later scholars. is original research and personal essay. Why didn't you care about that? 222.252.229.35 11:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
OK. So how about all of us gather here and give each other a big hug? 222, rally!! 222.252.230.6 08:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Hold up. Please do not engage in
personal attacks during disputes over content. This page is about making the article better-- not the authors. I implore everyone that worst case, as the saying goes, "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all say it in the most polite way possible while avoiding
personal attacks." ... well, at least, it goes something like that. :P Anyway, just try to keep a cool head and be sure to follow
the list of policies if at all possible, and chances are we'll reach a favorable
consensus along the way. Cheers =) --
slakr\
talk /
03:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Some wikipedia editors had been abusing their power and deleting informations which are well-sourced to protect their POV and original researches.
Norse Mythology is a Scandinavian religion, but they used 2nd-rate sources written by american and english authors, who just read the Eddas and added their comments (even altered and invented myths). These editors even bashed Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda and the Elder Edda as nothing, whereas almost everything known about this subject is from the Eddas. Voluspa is also from the Elder Edda.
This whole article is full of claims from modern scholars who studied the Eddas. But these editors keeep deleting the correct informations and excerpts of the primary sources of the subjects. This is exactly Vandalism.
And they are repeating it too. 222.252.231.194 10:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Proofs: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Freyja&diff=125602257&oldid=125594220#Jewelry By YOU!
You removed someone's vandalism "Definitely not a fertility goddess", right? Why did he wrote that? Because he saw it so clear in the article that "She is a divine prostitute". Not sure if she was in heathen view, but it was written like that in the article. What did you do to correct that? And this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja by some one! Oh, from a B-class to a well-sourced and the best article about Freya on the net! 203.210.241.204 12:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I am surprised that you "couldn't be everywhere, and couldn't rewrite that problematic article even though you knew it was a mess", but you are so quick in deleting the prefectly-sourced information that someone added in this article.
"the moderators and owners of the site delete and cover up entries they disagree with, discounting objective facts and labeling such users as "vandals" inside the alleged collaborative structure that is really designed to have the web population do its work for them with no compensation."
^EXACTLY RIGHT!!! 203.210.241.204 12:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
"the moderators and owners of the site delete and cover up entries they disagree with, discounting objective facts and labeling such users as "vandals" inside the alleged collaborative structure that is really designed to have the web population do its work for them with no compensation." <--- that's RIGHT! 203.210.241.204 12:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe you people. I am here to contribute information, but you people are here to play a game. Just attack some people for vandalism, and you'll be an editor. When you have earned some reputation, you will start to delete and cover up entries you disagree with, discounting objective facts and labeling such users as "vandals". I can't believed I was attacked for trying to add correct informations to the article of Freyja. I thought I was helping this world. Dig up the history of that page. Who tried so hard to revamp it? Someone! Who tried so hard to attack that someone? YOU. 203.210.241.204 12:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
You think I got money for doing this, huh? You think I got fun trying to add facts to these articles, huh? I got NOTHING but stress and headaches. *leaves* 203.210.241.204 13:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
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So, do all these below have anything to do with "Freyja is related to Gullveig" beside that they both practice seið?? Why Frigg's adultery and Aurboda and stuffs are under "Potential connections to Freyja"?? This section is absurd and need to be rewritten. Please. 222.252.231.117 13:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
This is pretty stupid. Freyja is Gullveig because they are Vanir and they practice magic and related to wealth? All Vanir practice magic and related to wealth as far as I know. With this logic: John and I are both English and we both speak English and we both like soccer, then I am John?? Those people who wrote about Paganism tend to make-it-up. They just got a story written somewhere, and they never care about who wrote it, when was it written and they take over other people's ideas and change their ideas into "facts". 123.19.43.193 ( talk) 16:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC) --- I agree, but sadly it is a trend to over associate mythical figures amongst modern scholars 209.247.21.199 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC).
An anonymous users (probably a single user with a shifting IP) who keep reverting back the page to their edit that attempts to debunk Turville-Petre's notion of Freyja potentially being the same figure as Gullveig at one point in time. There are many connections and Turville-Petre's background makes him quite qualified for such a claim but despite this he is called "Just an American" in one edit summary by IP 222.252.224.167.
The problem here is that select quotes from the Edda are being used to promote an opinion solely based off of the Eddas. The Eddas are nothing more than a collection of riddles. The Germanic deities were never static, they've changed a lot, with some permanent characteristics. The Eddas are only then-contemporary tellings of much older stories with likely very different content, much of it very likely censored by Snorri. See anything in the Eddas about Freyr's erect phallus? Just an example.
As Haukurth and I have said before, this is a violation of Wikipedia's NPOV policy and should not be allowed to stand. Please refrain from adding this back in its current form or it will be reverted. If you want to add a challenge to Turville-Petre's theory - and the many that support it - you're going to need to directly quote the challenge and not create it yourself here. :bloodofox: 18:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
My problem is: I am sick with you so-called wiki editors. You, for example, claimed to be an Icelander. Knew that the "goddess is prostitute" is from a later source, but never tried to cite that information. You instead are always ready to accuse people's entries for being personal essay and original research just because you don't like it, although it is super well-sourced. 203.210.241.204 12:21, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Rydberg's multiple identifications are generally not accepted by later scholars. is original research and personal essay. Why didn't you care about that? 222.252.229.35 11:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
OK. So how about all of us gather here and give each other a big hug? 222, rally!! 222.252.230.6 08:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Hold up. Please do not engage in
personal attacks during disputes over content. This page is about making the article better-- not the authors. I implore everyone that worst case, as the saying goes, "if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it at all say it in the most polite way possible while avoiding
personal attacks." ... well, at least, it goes something like that. :P Anyway, just try to keep a cool head and be sure to follow
the list of policies if at all possible, and chances are we'll reach a favorable
consensus along the way. Cheers =) --
slakr\
talk /
03:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Some wikipedia editors had been abusing their power and deleting informations which are well-sourced to protect their POV and original researches.
Norse Mythology is a Scandinavian religion, but they used 2nd-rate sources written by american and english authors, who just read the Eddas and added their comments (even altered and invented myths). These editors even bashed Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda and the Elder Edda as nothing, whereas almost everything known about this subject is from the Eddas. Voluspa is also from the Elder Edda.
This whole article is full of claims from modern scholars who studied the Eddas. But these editors keeep deleting the correct informations and excerpts of the primary sources of the subjects. This is exactly Vandalism.
And they are repeating it too. 222.252.231.194 10:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Proofs: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Freyja&diff=125602257&oldid=125594220#Jewelry By YOU!
You removed someone's vandalism "Definitely not a fertility goddess", right? Why did he wrote that? Because he saw it so clear in the article that "She is a divine prostitute". Not sure if she was in heathen view, but it was written like that in the article. What did you do to correct that? And this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freyja by some one! Oh, from a B-class to a well-sourced and the best article about Freya on the net! 203.210.241.204 12:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I am surprised that you "couldn't be everywhere, and couldn't rewrite that problematic article even though you knew it was a mess", but you are so quick in deleting the prefectly-sourced information that someone added in this article.
"the moderators and owners of the site delete and cover up entries they disagree with, discounting objective facts and labeling such users as "vandals" inside the alleged collaborative structure that is really designed to have the web population do its work for them with no compensation."
^EXACTLY RIGHT!!! 203.210.241.204 12:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
"the moderators and owners of the site delete and cover up entries they disagree with, discounting objective facts and labeling such users as "vandals" inside the alleged collaborative structure that is really designed to have the web population do its work for them with no compensation." <--- that's RIGHT! 203.210.241.204 12:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe you people. I am here to contribute information, but you people are here to play a game. Just attack some people for vandalism, and you'll be an editor. When you have earned some reputation, you will start to delete and cover up entries you disagree with, discounting objective facts and labeling such users as "vandals". I can't believed I was attacked for trying to add correct informations to the article of Freyja. I thought I was helping this world. Dig up the history of that page. Who tried so hard to revamp it? Someone! Who tried so hard to attack that someone? YOU. 203.210.241.204 12:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
You think I got money for doing this, huh? You think I got fun trying to add facts to these articles, huh? I got NOTHING but stress and headaches. *leaves* 203.210.241.204 13:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)