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I cleaned this paragraph up and added a number of citation tags. A few questions:
I have a feeling that much of the information from this paragraph is adapted from this website. For what it's worth, this website disagrees.
I would prefer to have some sort of paragraph about mixing species in general; it appears that, aside from trained dogs, guinea pigs do not get along with other species well, especially smaller rodents. Thoughts? Chubbles 23:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's a fundamental problem we have with citing the guinea pig (and many other pet) articles. even more modern pet books and scientific experimentors have outdated and often plainly false claims about whats good for guinea pigs. but thats a separate arguement.
that explain it? I understand the need for citations, but why are you busting my balls about a fact that every single well-informed breeder and pet owner knows? VanTucky 00:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and feel free to create a whole broad mixing paragraph of course. VanTucky 00:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Its only about guinea pigs and rabbits, which still is often advocated by the misinformed (troll some sites). besides, its patent nonsense to say that talking about keeping guinea pigs and rabbits together will lead to that crazyness about sea lions and crap. its not original research. there is alot of references about keeping the two species together, for or against. and believe it or not, not even most people agree about where to keep the two species. many shelters and rescues only allow rabbits to be adopted out to indoor homes, and some books still advocate keeping guinea pigs in hutches. VanTucky 19:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking into changing that paragraph right now; I'll see if I can translate it into something less OR-sounding. Chubbles 19:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It appears that about ten years ago, there was a big to-do about whether or not the guinea pig is actually a rodent. Here is a dopey-looking but very well-cited website detailing the controversy. Nothing in the article mentions this yet. We should probably add something about it, no? I'm thinking in the History section? Chubbles 20:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering about that, too, when I capitalized it - it didn't really look like a Texel to me, but its hair is at least a little curly...Is anyone actually able to tell what breed it is? It would be nice to say "a red and white {something} with Torticollis" there... Chubbles 02:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought I might find or create a picture of a guinea pig that shows how to pick them up properly. I know its sort of edging into "how-to guide" territory, but if we just leave as a caption then I think it should be fine. The fancy mouse rabbit and hamster articles talk about handling, so I think its acceptable we do too. any objection? VanTucky 23:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I looked on Commons and all they had was a guy with two newborns in his hand, which doesnt really show how to handle an adult. VanTucky 23:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
This article has grown alot lately, and I just found an interesting pic in commons of a cavy and a rabbit interacitng, it looks npov and I think we should add it in the section about interspecies relations. any objections? here is the link [ [1]] VanTucky 20:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I bumped the "Domestic guinea pigs" section up and renamed it "Guinea pigs as pets". I was thinking about trying to fashion a more logical organization of the parts, and this seems to flow better - the traits section has all the information about housing and behavior, and that seems to flow better into the pet section, into the animal fancy discussion, into the breeding section...Any comments on the new ordering? Chubbles 16:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the creation of Wikiproject Pocket pets, if interested, please visit the proposal page. thanks! VanTucky 05:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of moving the Wiktionary link from the bottom of the page (with the rest of the Wiki directory links) up to the Name section. Any objections? Chubbles 08:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I have reviewed the article according to the GA criteria. Please fix the following suggestions and I'll pass the article.
Althogther, a very well-written article with plenty of sources. The free images are also a great touch. Fix the above suggestions within seven days and I'll pass the article (most shouldn't be two hard to correct). When you are done or if you have any questions, please let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 08:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I have passed this article as a GA according to the GA criteria. Considering the last point I raised, again only add the section if you think that you have reliable sources on it and have enough information to properly describe it. I'm not an evolutionist, but I'm sure some readers might be interested to learn about the animal's lineage or where it got its start. This may be important for FA if you decide to take it there, but for GA, an article only needs to be broad, not comprehensive. Continue to improve the article as you see fit, making sure all new information is properly sourced (shouldn't be a problem based on what I've seen here). To anyone that is reading this, please consider reviewing an article or two at GAC to help with the backlog. We need all of the help we can get at allowing other editors to have a quick review time for their articles. -- Nehrams2020 21:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Chubbles asked if I'd wade in on suggestions for this article so here's an attempt to do that. Divided by section.
-- Aranae 06:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Some follow-up questions for Aranae -
Thanks again. Chubbles 00:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems like the paragraph about how they resemble pigs comprises wp:original research. Can we cut this back to just a single sentence explanation or cite it? VanTucky 00:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks to the editors responsible for getting this article to GA. Remaining things bothering me include:
All in all though, bursting with information and presented stylishly. Chris Cunningham 12:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
"Sexing of guinea pigs can be difficult, as males and females do not differ in external appearance apart from general size..." Is this supported by the citation that follows several sentences after, or is is uncited? I ask because if you look here you can see that in adult guinea pigs there is a good deal of external differences that are notable (a naturally extruding penis and testicles). Maybe just a clarification about how it is difficult to tell in young guinea pigs who have just reached breeding age. VanTucky 03:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I just want to say how very impressed I am by this article - so much good, reliable information is rare to see. Thanks to all involved. 195.137.96.79 01:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:Guinea_pig#Something_Missing, which is only a month old. I actually proposed inclusion of this debate, but another editor noted that the thrust of this debate was really the status of rodent taxonomy rather than guinea pigs specifically and thus more appropriate for inclusion at Cavia or Rodentia. (Note that subsequent articles on this topic center on rat and degu research rather than cavies.) Mind you, I've no POV to push here; I don't give a damn whether they're rodents or not, but recent scientific consensus seems to indicate that they are.
Theoretically, I have no objection to including this information, if there is a consensus among the WikiProject Mammal person/people that it really belongs here. I think it should be subsumed under Scientific Research, and I would definitely like to cite better sources than that zany Science World article. Chubbles 04:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia's article on Guinea pigs is complete nonsense, and contains no valid information. Most people's idea of a "Guinea pig" is a small domestic mammal which feeds mainly on vegetables. This is the subject of Wikipedia's article. However, the real Guinea pig is totally different. It is a large but secretive marsupial, found living inside the trunks of certain trees in the Amazon rainforest, and living exclusively on purple chocolate (scientists have not yet discovered how it gets hold of this). Unfortunately, these fascinating creatures are now extremely rare, due to deforestation and a shortage of purple chocolate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.146.251.193 ( talk) 16:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
I'm not entirely sure where this would go, but related to guinea pig as food, there's a famous painting in the cathedral in Cuzco, Peru, portraying the Last Supper, in which Jesus and his disciples are eating cuy.
[2] --
Jbmurray
14:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, you already have that. Sorry. -- Jbmurray 14:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I watched the video of the curandero in the external links section. She mentions the guinea pig is used "just like a X-ray". In other words, a diagnostic tool not a treatment. Does Morales specifically mention it as a treatment device? VanTucky 23:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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I cleaned this paragraph up and added a number of citation tags. A few questions:
I have a feeling that much of the information from this paragraph is adapted from this website. For what it's worth, this website disagrees.
I would prefer to have some sort of paragraph about mixing species in general; it appears that, aside from trained dogs, guinea pigs do not get along with other species well, especially smaller rodents. Thoughts? Chubbles 23:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's a fundamental problem we have with citing the guinea pig (and many other pet) articles. even more modern pet books and scientific experimentors have outdated and often plainly false claims about whats good for guinea pigs. but thats a separate arguement.
that explain it? I understand the need for citations, but why are you busting my balls about a fact that every single well-informed breeder and pet owner knows? VanTucky 00:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and feel free to create a whole broad mixing paragraph of course. VanTucky 00:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Its only about guinea pigs and rabbits, which still is often advocated by the misinformed (troll some sites). besides, its patent nonsense to say that talking about keeping guinea pigs and rabbits together will lead to that crazyness about sea lions and crap. its not original research. there is alot of references about keeping the two species together, for or against. and believe it or not, not even most people agree about where to keep the two species. many shelters and rescues only allow rabbits to be adopted out to indoor homes, and some books still advocate keeping guinea pigs in hutches. VanTucky 19:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking into changing that paragraph right now; I'll see if I can translate it into something less OR-sounding. Chubbles 19:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
It appears that about ten years ago, there was a big to-do about whether or not the guinea pig is actually a rodent. Here is a dopey-looking but very well-cited website detailing the controversy. Nothing in the article mentions this yet. We should probably add something about it, no? I'm thinking in the History section? Chubbles 20:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering about that, too, when I capitalized it - it didn't really look like a Texel to me, but its hair is at least a little curly...Is anyone actually able to tell what breed it is? It would be nice to say "a red and white {something} with Torticollis" there... Chubbles 02:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought I might find or create a picture of a guinea pig that shows how to pick them up properly. I know its sort of edging into "how-to guide" territory, but if we just leave as a caption then I think it should be fine. The fancy mouse rabbit and hamster articles talk about handling, so I think its acceptable we do too. any objection? VanTucky 23:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I looked on Commons and all they had was a guy with two newborns in his hand, which doesnt really show how to handle an adult. VanTucky 23:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
This article has grown alot lately, and I just found an interesting pic in commons of a cavy and a rabbit interacitng, it looks npov and I think we should add it in the section about interspecies relations. any objections? here is the link [ [1]] VanTucky 20:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I bumped the "Domestic guinea pigs" section up and renamed it "Guinea pigs as pets". I was thinking about trying to fashion a more logical organization of the parts, and this seems to flow better - the traits section has all the information about housing and behavior, and that seems to flow better into the pet section, into the animal fancy discussion, into the breeding section...Any comments on the new ordering? Chubbles 16:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the creation of Wikiproject Pocket pets, if interested, please visit the proposal page. thanks! VanTucky 05:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking of moving the Wiktionary link from the bottom of the page (with the rest of the Wiki directory links) up to the Name section. Any objections? Chubbles 08:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I have reviewed the article according to the GA criteria. Please fix the following suggestions and I'll pass the article.
Althogther, a very well-written article with plenty of sources. The free images are also a great touch. Fix the above suggestions within seven days and I'll pass the article (most shouldn't be two hard to correct). When you are done or if you have any questions, please let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 08:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I have passed this article as a GA according to the GA criteria. Considering the last point I raised, again only add the section if you think that you have reliable sources on it and have enough information to properly describe it. I'm not an evolutionist, but I'm sure some readers might be interested to learn about the animal's lineage or where it got its start. This may be important for FA if you decide to take it there, but for GA, an article only needs to be broad, not comprehensive. Continue to improve the article as you see fit, making sure all new information is properly sourced (shouldn't be a problem based on what I've seen here). To anyone that is reading this, please consider reviewing an article or two at GAC to help with the backlog. We need all of the help we can get at allowing other editors to have a quick review time for their articles. -- Nehrams2020 21:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Chubbles asked if I'd wade in on suggestions for this article so here's an attempt to do that. Divided by section.
-- Aranae 06:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Some follow-up questions for Aranae -
Thanks again. Chubbles 00:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems like the paragraph about how they resemble pigs comprises wp:original research. Can we cut this back to just a single sentence explanation or cite it? VanTucky 00:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks to the editors responsible for getting this article to GA. Remaining things bothering me include:
All in all though, bursting with information and presented stylishly. Chris Cunningham 12:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
"Sexing of guinea pigs can be difficult, as males and females do not differ in external appearance apart from general size..." Is this supported by the citation that follows several sentences after, or is is uncited? I ask because if you look here you can see that in adult guinea pigs there is a good deal of external differences that are notable (a naturally extruding penis and testicles). Maybe just a clarification about how it is difficult to tell in young guinea pigs who have just reached breeding age. VanTucky 03:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I just want to say how very impressed I am by this article - so much good, reliable information is rare to see. Thanks to all involved. 195.137.96.79 01:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at Talk:Guinea_pig#Something_Missing, which is only a month old. I actually proposed inclusion of this debate, but another editor noted that the thrust of this debate was really the status of rodent taxonomy rather than guinea pigs specifically and thus more appropriate for inclusion at Cavia or Rodentia. (Note that subsequent articles on this topic center on rat and degu research rather than cavies.) Mind you, I've no POV to push here; I don't give a damn whether they're rodents or not, but recent scientific consensus seems to indicate that they are.
Theoretically, I have no objection to including this information, if there is a consensus among the WikiProject Mammal person/people that it really belongs here. I think it should be subsumed under Scientific Research, and I would definitely like to cite better sources than that zany Science World article. Chubbles 04:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia's article on Guinea pigs is complete nonsense, and contains no valid information. Most people's idea of a "Guinea pig" is a small domestic mammal which feeds mainly on vegetables. This is the subject of Wikipedia's article. However, the real Guinea pig is totally different. It is a large but secretive marsupial, found living inside the trunks of certain trees in the Amazon rainforest, and living exclusively on purple chocolate (scientists have not yet discovered how it gets hold of this). Unfortunately, these fascinating creatures are now extremely rare, due to deforestation and a shortage of purple chocolate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.146.251.193 ( talk) 16:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
I'm not entirely sure where this would go, but related to guinea pig as food, there's a famous painting in the cathedral in Cuzco, Peru, portraying the Last Supper, in which Jesus and his disciples are eating cuy.
[2] --
Jbmurray
14:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, you already have that. Sorry. -- Jbmurray 14:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I watched the video of the curandero in the external links section. She mentions the guinea pig is used "just like a X-ray". In other words, a diagnostic tool not a treatment. Does Morales specifically mention it as a treatment device? VanTucky 23:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)