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Can you please have a look into Category:Princes of Epinoy there might be some confusing with Category:Princes of d'Espinoy, or do both titles realy belonged to the house of Mélun?--Carolus (talk) 11:53, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah, you didn't, I see. "d'Espinoy" means "Of Espinoy", "of d'Espinoy" is a duplication which doesn't exist. The category "Princes of d'Espinoy" should be deleted. Fram (talk) 11:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Yeah, i know what it means, but is it correct both different titles are owned by the house of Melun? See Lords of d'Espinoy--Carolus (talk) 12:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
There are no "both different titles", "Prince of d'Epinoy" doesn't exist. I have moved it to Draft:Lords of d'Espinoy as the title is totally wrong, and the list of lords is quite wrong as well. Hugues III is the son of Isabeau. This book, old as it is, gives perhaps the best description, better certainly than the sources from 1724 or 1730. Please first work in draft space or in your sandbox to research all these problems before putting these things into the mainspace. Fram (talk) 12:16, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I did not create Prince of Epinoy, but eSpinoy do not hold me respnsible for other peoples errors.--Carolus (talk) 12:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC) You created the "Lords of d'Espinoy" article, and you moved the category: "Carolus moved page Category:Princes of Epinoy to Category:Princes of d'Espinoy: correction of the name". Please don't lie. Fram (talk) 12:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Don't insult me, you think i am an idiot? The article was full of references, are you blind?--Carolus (talk) 12:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
No, I just think that you are once again getting highly disruptive. Once again, please show me a source using "lord of d'espinoy" or "prince of d'espinoy". Fram (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I left a message on the creator of Guillaume de Melun, Prince of Espinoy, if you can accuse him of creating princes that don't exist. Fine, your game.--Carolus (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I saw your message there. You don't seem to have understood anything of this conversation, do you? I never said that "Prince of Espinoy" doesn't exist, even though Prince of Épinoy is the most common form of the name. I said that your distinction in two categories was wrong, and that the name of your list and of your category (the one you moved) was totally incorrect, like I said right from the start: ""of d'Espinoy" is a duplication which doesn't exist." It is either Prince of Epinoy, or Prince d'Epinoy, but not the Franglais you invented. Fram (talk) 12:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC) If you are even not able to write my name without mistakes, then my point is proven.--Carolus (talk) 12:52, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Carolus Carolus Carolus. Can you now provide these sources for "Lord of d'Espinoy" or "Prince of d'Espinoy"? Fram (talk) 12:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC) "Gone" but not forgotten...Domdeparis (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Commons is much easier, so not realy "gone".--Carolus (talk) 13:44, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Humm looks like you are already getting a few interesting conversations on you talk page there...happy editing! Domdeparis (talk) 14:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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Can you please have a look into Category:Princes of Epinoy there might be some confusing with Category:Princes of d'Espinoy, or do both titles realy belonged to the house of Mélun?--Carolus (talk) 11:53, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah, you didn't, I see. "d'Espinoy" means "Of Espinoy", "of d'Espinoy" is a duplication which doesn't exist. The category "Princes of d'Espinoy" should be deleted. Fram (talk) 11:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Yeah, i know what it means, but is it correct both different titles are owned by the house of Melun? See Lords of d'Espinoy--Carolus (talk) 12:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
There are no "both different titles", "Prince of d'Epinoy" doesn't exist. I have moved it to Draft:Lords of d'Espinoy as the title is totally wrong, and the list of lords is quite wrong as well. Hugues III is the son of Isabeau. This book, old as it is, gives perhaps the best description, better certainly than the sources from 1724 or 1730. Please first work in draft space or in your sandbox to research all these problems before putting these things into the mainspace. Fram (talk) 12:16, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I did not create Prince of Epinoy, but eSpinoy do not hold me respnsible for other peoples errors.--Carolus (talk) 12:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC) You created the "Lords of d'Espinoy" article, and you moved the category: "Carolus moved page Category:Princes of Epinoy to Category:Princes of d'Espinoy: correction of the name". Please don't lie. Fram (talk) 12:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Don't insult me, you think i am an idiot? The article was full of references, are you blind?--Carolus (talk) 12:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
No, I just think that you are once again getting highly disruptive. Once again, please show me a source using "lord of d'espinoy" or "prince of d'espinoy". Fram (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I left a message on the creator of Guillaume de Melun, Prince of Espinoy, if you can accuse him of creating princes that don't exist. Fine, your game.--Carolus (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC) I saw your message there. You don't seem to have understood anything of this conversation, do you? I never said that "Prince of Espinoy" doesn't exist, even though Prince of Épinoy is the most common form of the name. I said that your distinction in two categories was wrong, and that the name of your list and of your category (the one you moved) was totally incorrect, like I said right from the start: ""of d'Espinoy" is a duplication which doesn't exist." It is either Prince of Epinoy, or Prince d'Epinoy, but not the Franglais you invented. Fram (talk) 12:42, 26 September 2017 (UTC) If you are even not able to write my name without mistakes, then my point is proven.--Carolus (talk) 12:52, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Carolus Carolus Carolus. Can you now provide these sources for "Lord of d'Espinoy" or "Prince of d'Espinoy"? Fram (talk) 12:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC) "Gone" but not forgotten...Domdeparis (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Commons is much easier, so not realy "gone".--Carolus (talk) 13:44, 26 September 2017 (UTC) Humm looks like you are already getting a few interesting conversations on you talk page there...happy editing! Domdeparis (talk) 14:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)