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". Unlike the Phalangists and the Tigers, which sometimes cooperated tacitly with Israel for tactical reasons, the Guardians of the Cedars' alignment with Israel was based on the conviction that there was a commonalty of interest between the Jewish state and the Christian minorities of the Middle East. Apart from the South Lebanon Army (founded by Sa'ad Haddad), they were the only significant faction in the Lebanese Civil War to side with Israel openly"
This is mistaken. Certainly the policy of the Phalange was alliance with Israel and there was nothing hidden about that policy.
The current version is repetitive and not properly divided into sections. Todowd 10:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I've cleaned it up myself, and added a picture of Étienne Saqr. Todowd 11:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
In the heading, it says the Guardians changed their official motto to:
It is the duty of each Lebanese to kill one Palestinian in reaction to numerous crimes and massacres committed by the Palestine Liberation Organization against Lebanese civilians on Lebanese soil.
Firstly, this sounds a touch long-winded to be a real motto. Secondly, it had a 'citation needed' tag at the end and there is no way something this extreme should stay up without a reputable source, let alone *no* source at all. Don't revert back unless you can provide a citation. Roland Deschain 01:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I added some references. Petrus Groen ( talk) 15:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This article must be an embarrasement to wikipedia, not only is it Extremly POV, the aticle implies in many instances Lebanon is a non-arab country, says that the Palestinians plundered and massacred all of Lebanons christians and demonizes Palestinians and Arabs in general. The article must be completly revamped. I took out the most serious and questionable racist remarks in the article but an entire rewording is needed to make the article up to standard, i dont know how no one has noticed anything all this time. -- Doge120 05:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't really understand something over here. Is telling the truth really a racist thing? Robert Fisk, the most pro-Palestinian Western journalist even admitted to the crimes commited by the Palestinians against the Lebanese. Being politicall correct all the time shields the truth.
Its POV or racist when its factual Palestinians DID do that in Lebanon and they do it do to christians, 94.7.109.168 ( talk) 18:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was merge.-- Jorfer 16:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Since these organizations are essentially one and the same, I suggest we merge them. We should create a sub-section to discuss political vs. military wings; but the history, demographics, and ideology are the same for both. The LRP article will simply re-direct here. This merge will also make it easier to police for POV statements by consolidating them into one area. Comments welcome. Nimur 22:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's merge them, its essentially the same thing, but can some writer from the "lebanese civil war" article or some non-bias knowledgeable person explain the difference between the two movements. we should merge. -- Doge120 23:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
You know what I love. A bunch of people who have no clue about Lebanese culture and history trying to write our history as Lebanese. Anyway, it's simple. The "Lebanese Renewal Party" was the name of the GOC before it officially turned into a party with a militia. That's it basically. 198.7.245.91 04:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC) Fadi
Again theres some bias here, can some people, NOT Guardian of the Cedars members please, also check the facts and explain the difference between the guardians and the renewal party.-- Doge120 06:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
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". Unlike the Phalangists and the Tigers, which sometimes cooperated tacitly with Israel for tactical reasons, the Guardians of the Cedars' alignment with Israel was based on the conviction that there was a commonalty of interest between the Jewish state and the Christian minorities of the Middle East. Apart from the South Lebanon Army (founded by Sa'ad Haddad), they were the only significant faction in the Lebanese Civil War to side with Israel openly"
This is mistaken. Certainly the policy of the Phalange was alliance with Israel and there was nothing hidden about that policy.
The current version is repetitive and not properly divided into sections. Todowd 10:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I've cleaned it up myself, and added a picture of Étienne Saqr. Todowd 11:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
In the heading, it says the Guardians changed their official motto to:
It is the duty of each Lebanese to kill one Palestinian in reaction to numerous crimes and massacres committed by the Palestine Liberation Organization against Lebanese civilians on Lebanese soil.
Firstly, this sounds a touch long-winded to be a real motto. Secondly, it had a 'citation needed' tag at the end and there is no way something this extreme should stay up without a reputable source, let alone *no* source at all. Don't revert back unless you can provide a citation. Roland Deschain 01:40, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I added some references. Petrus Groen ( talk) 15:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This article must be an embarrasement to wikipedia, not only is it Extremly POV, the aticle implies in many instances Lebanon is a non-arab country, says that the Palestinians plundered and massacred all of Lebanons christians and demonizes Palestinians and Arabs in general. The article must be completly revamped. I took out the most serious and questionable racist remarks in the article but an entire rewording is needed to make the article up to standard, i dont know how no one has noticed anything all this time. -- Doge120 05:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't really understand something over here. Is telling the truth really a racist thing? Robert Fisk, the most pro-Palestinian Western journalist even admitted to the crimes commited by the Palestinians against the Lebanese. Being politicall correct all the time shields the truth.
Its POV or racist when its factual Palestinians DID do that in Lebanon and they do it do to christians, 94.7.109.168 ( talk) 18:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was merge.-- Jorfer 16:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Since these organizations are essentially one and the same, I suggest we merge them. We should create a sub-section to discuss political vs. military wings; but the history, demographics, and ideology are the same for both. The LRP article will simply re-direct here. This merge will also make it easier to police for POV statements by consolidating them into one area. Comments welcome. Nimur 22:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's merge them, its essentially the same thing, but can some writer from the "lebanese civil war" article or some non-bias knowledgeable person explain the difference between the two movements. we should merge. -- Doge120 23:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
You know what I love. A bunch of people who have no clue about Lebanese culture and history trying to write our history as Lebanese. Anyway, it's simple. The "Lebanese Renewal Party" was the name of the GOC before it officially turned into a party with a militia. That's it basically. 198.7.245.91 04:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC) Fadi
Again theres some bias here, can some people, NOT Guardian of the Cedars members please, also check the facts and explain the difference between the guardians and the renewal party.-- Doge120 06:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
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