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Nominator: The Sharpest Lives ( talk · contribs) 16:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Joeyquism ( talk · contribs) 05:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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The Sharpest Lives: Hi! I'm delighted to participate in the first GAN review circle, and even more delighted to be able to review your nomination. I'll try and get back to you within the next few days (Wednesday ~11PM EST at the latest). If you have any questions, feel free to ping me or let me know on my talk page!
Joeyquism (
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Prose is mostly okay, though some concerns arise:
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Some issues:
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2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Looks good. Liner notes and videos are attributed with the proper citation templates. |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | The excerpt from the main Linda Linda article contains some questionable and deprecated sources. I'm seeing a Wordpress link, and some sources (Mediaite and Pollstar) that don't seem like they would fly by on
WP:RS. All the more reason to write a new background section. Otherwise, other sources for original writing seem good. (Edit: for the sentence Growing Up was recorded and mixed at Music Friends, which is Carlos de la Garza's backyard studio., only the backyard studio part is corroborated by the cited source. I'm sure the liner notes would confirm the name of the studio as Music Friends.)
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2c. it contains no original research. | Nothing that I can find that resembles original research. |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Copyvio check returned 47.1% similarity. While I realize that these are because of quotations, I feel like you can clean it up a bit with paraphrasing (especially the Bela Salazar quote). Otherwise, other sources are clean. |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | I think more can be said about the writing and recording stage; for instance, in the Rolling Stone article, I found the following excerpt:
"As with the EP, the album was written during the first lockdown phase of the pandemic in 2020, when the girls had to attend school remotely and couldn’t see one another or other friends regularly. They say they found it cathartic to write down their feelings of loneliness and confusion." This can be included and expanded upon. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | Article is focused on the subject and its creators with no discernable content about other extraneous topics. |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | No overly laudatory or scathing comments; everything is written to describe the album as is. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No edit warring here. |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Looks good. Perhaps make the picture of Carlos de la Garza bigger, and consider including some audio clips if possible. Otherwise, good job on illustrating the article! |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Looks good. |
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7. Overall assessment. | @ The Sharpest Lives: For now, I'm putting this on hold. The content is clear and relatively well-written, but it needs some moderate tweaking and some expanding in order for me to feel comfortable passing it. Sources are mostly good (well done!), but a few need to be removed due to reliability/verifiability concerns. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to let me know by pinging me. Thank you for your hard work on this article! I wasn't too familiar with the Linda Lindas other than "Racist, Sexist Boy" before reading this, and from what I've now learned, I feel like they're a wholesome bunch to listen to. Very glad to be able to review your work! -- Joeyquism ( talk) 20:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
@ The Sharpest Lives: Gonna add some more things I'm seeing below. Apologies for not being as comprehensive as I could have been on the first reply.
If I find any more things, I'll let you know. Sorry for being so pedantic; I understand that this is your first GAN and I really want you to succeed and become an even better writer! -- Joeyquism ( talk) 03:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Hey man im josh
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– The Sharpest Lives ( 💬• ✏️• ℹ️) 06:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC).
This review is transcluded from Wikipedia:Peer review/Growing Up (The Linda Lindas album)/archive1. The edit link below can be used to make additional comments.
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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to promote it to FA status. I believe it meets the criteria, but I need another opinion. The sections I believe need improvement are the lead, #Background, and #Writing and recording. Thanks, – The Sharpest Lives ( 💬• ✏️• ℹ️) 20:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I came here from my own music-related PR (thank you again TSL for your feedback!), and have some comments that I hope could help improve the article further.
I hope this feedback is helpful. I enjoyed reading this article, but I do feel like it needs some more work before it is ready for FAC. Since this would be your first, I strongly recommend seeking mentorship from an experienced FA contributor who can give you probably better insight than I could – as you may have seen on my PR, I sought a mentor for my work on Not Strong Enough (Boygenius song), and his advice has resulted in that article being substantially improved. Keep up the great work, Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 21:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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Nominator: The Sharpest Lives ( talk · contribs) 16:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Joeyquism ( talk · contribs) 05:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
@
The Sharpest Lives: Hi! I'm delighted to participate in the first GAN review circle, and even more delighted to be able to review your nomination. I'll try and get back to you within the next few days (Wednesday ~11PM EST at the latest). If you have any questions, feel free to ping me or let me know on my talk page!
Joeyquism (
talk)
05:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Rate | Attribute | Review Comment |
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1. Well-written: | ||
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Prose is mostly okay, though some concerns arise:
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Some issues:
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2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Looks good. Liner notes and videos are attributed with the proper citation templates. |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | The excerpt from the main Linda Linda article contains some questionable and deprecated sources. I'm seeing a Wordpress link, and some sources (Mediaite and Pollstar) that don't seem like they would fly by on
WP:RS. All the more reason to write a new background section. Otherwise, other sources for original writing seem good. (Edit: for the sentence Growing Up was recorded and mixed at Music Friends, which is Carlos de la Garza's backyard studio., only the backyard studio part is corroborated by the cited source. I'm sure the liner notes would confirm the name of the studio as Music Friends.)
Source spot check:
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2c. it contains no original research. | Nothing that I can find that resembles original research. |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Copyvio check returned 47.1% similarity. While I realize that these are because of quotations, I feel like you can clean it up a bit with paraphrasing (especially the Bela Salazar quote). Otherwise, other sources are clean. |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | I think more can be said about the writing and recording stage; for instance, in the Rolling Stone article, I found the following excerpt:
"As with the EP, the album was written during the first lockdown phase of the pandemic in 2020, when the girls had to attend school remotely and couldn’t see one another or other friends regularly. They say they found it cathartic to write down their feelings of loneliness and confusion." This can be included and expanded upon. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | Article is focused on the subject and its creators with no discernable content about other extraneous topics. |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | No overly laudatory or scathing comments; everything is written to describe the album as is. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No edit warring here. |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Looks good. Perhaps make the picture of Carlos de la Garza bigger, and consider including some audio clips if possible. Otherwise, good job on illustrating the article! |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Looks good. |
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7. Overall assessment. | @ The Sharpest Lives: For now, I'm putting this on hold. The content is clear and relatively well-written, but it needs some moderate tweaking and some expanding in order for me to feel comfortable passing it. Sources are mostly good (well done!), but a few need to be removed due to reliability/verifiability concerns. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to let me know by pinging me. Thank you for your hard work on this article! I wasn't too familiar with the Linda Lindas other than "Racist, Sexist Boy" before reading this, and from what I've now learned, I feel like they're a wholesome bunch to listen to. Very glad to be able to review your work! -- Joeyquism ( talk) 20:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
@ The Sharpest Lives: Gonna add some more things I'm seeing below. Apologies for not being as comprehensive as I could have been on the first reply.
If I find any more things, I'll let you know. Sorry for being so pedantic; I understand that this is your first GAN and I really want you to succeed and become an even better writer! -- Joeyquism ( talk) 03:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Hey man im josh
talk
17:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
– The Sharpest Lives ( 💬• ✏️• ℹ️) 06:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC).
This review is transcluded from Wikipedia:Peer review/Growing Up (The Linda Lindas album)/archive1. The edit link below can be used to make additional comments.
Peer review
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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to promote it to FA status. I believe it meets the criteria, but I need another opinion. The sections I believe need improvement are the lead, #Background, and #Writing and recording. Thanks, – The Sharpest Lives ( 💬• ✏️• ℹ️) 20:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I came here from my own music-related PR (thank you again TSL for your feedback!), and have some comments that I hope could help improve the article further.
I hope this feedback is helpful. I enjoyed reading this article, but I do feel like it needs some more work before it is ready for FAC. Since this would be your first, I strongly recommend seeking mentorship from an experienced FA contributor who can give you probably better insight than I could – as you may have seen on my PR, I sought a mentor for my work on Not Strong Enough (Boygenius song), and his advice has resulted in that article being substantially improved. Keep up the great work, Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 21:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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