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Can anybody find out how the organization of the Royal Air Force is the opposite of that of the French and American Air Forces? It must have started during the First World War (during which the Americans had no independent air force, and no warplanes of their own design). 4.154.232.161 ( talk) 01:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
In this edit, the bulleted "two forms" were separated by an intervening paragraph, such that it no longer makes sense. It might take on fixing it later in nobody else does. There's also a mass of over-capitalization of ranks in there, and the odd and unhelpful slashed alternatives. Dicklyon ( talk) 19:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
The table shows no equivalent to the British wing, but should be Geschwader. Also, squadron is not a Gruppe (battalion size, as you see when you follow the link to de), but Staffel - equivalent of the army's company. The table's Staffel is no flight, but a special formation (usually platoon sized) of an army company/ battery. If you check the link in the article, you see there's no equivalent in German Wikipedia, but the English equivalent of German air force Staffel in the chart below is Squadron (aviation).
This may ground on many false friends in military English & German. A comparison to hierarchy in German army (btw Heer, Armee rather is armed forces) may help:
NATO sign | Army [en] | Aviation RAF/ USN [en] | Army [de] | Air Force [de] |
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III | Regiment | Group | Regiment | Geschwader |
II | Battaillon | Wing | Bataillon/ Abteilung | Gruppe |
I | Company | Squadron | Kompanie/ Batterie | Staffel |
••• | Platoon | Flight | Zug | Schwarm/ Kette |
•• | Section | Flight | Gruppe | Rotte/ GDR: Paar |
The template is also wrong about this.
-- 91.35.165.36 ( talk) 01:13, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
A Luftwaffe Staffel usually had nine to twelve aircraft. Three or four Staffeln comprised a Gruppe, while a single Staffel was divided into three Schwärme (singular: Schwarm) consisting of four to six aircraft.
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Can anybody find out how the organization of the Royal Air Force is the opposite of that of the French and American Air Forces? It must have started during the First World War (during which the Americans had no independent air force, and no warplanes of their own design). 4.154.232.161 ( talk) 01:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
In this edit, the bulleted "two forms" were separated by an intervening paragraph, such that it no longer makes sense. It might take on fixing it later in nobody else does. There's also a mass of over-capitalization of ranks in there, and the odd and unhelpful slashed alternatives. Dicklyon ( talk) 19:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
The table shows no equivalent to the British wing, but should be Geschwader. Also, squadron is not a Gruppe (battalion size, as you see when you follow the link to de), but Staffel - equivalent of the army's company. The table's Staffel is no flight, but a special formation (usually platoon sized) of an army company/ battery. If you check the link in the article, you see there's no equivalent in German Wikipedia, but the English equivalent of German air force Staffel in the chart below is Squadron (aviation).
This may ground on many false friends in military English & German. A comparison to hierarchy in German army (btw Heer, Armee rather is armed forces) may help:
NATO sign | Army [en] | Aviation RAF/ USN [en] | Army [de] | Air Force [de] |
---|---|---|---|---|
III | Regiment | Group | Regiment | Geschwader |
II | Battaillon | Wing | Bataillon/ Abteilung | Gruppe |
I | Company | Squadron | Kompanie/ Batterie | Staffel |
••• | Platoon | Flight | Zug | Schwarm/ Kette |
•• | Section | Flight | Gruppe | Rotte/ GDR: Paar |
The template is also wrong about this.
-- 91.35.165.36 ( talk) 01:13, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
A Luftwaffe Staffel usually had nine to twelve aircraft. Three or four Staffeln comprised a Gruppe, while a single Staffel was divided into three Schwärme (singular: Schwarm) consisting of four to six aircraft.