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Contested deletion
I am struggling to understand why this page is marked for speedy deletion as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax. Grissel Jaffrey was a real woman in Dundee, the last woman to be burned for witchcraft in the city and am adding her page as part of a project adding Scottish women's history to Wikipedia. This page is still a draft only and has not been published live. Further information and sources have still to be added. I do not believe this falls under pure hoax or vandalism. --
Kirsty McKeown (
talk)
08:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Victuallers: This seems to have been a rather hasty unwarranted decision by
RHaworth, especially as the article was being developed in connection with an
editathon. In the light of the above, I think it would be reasonable to restore the draft so that it can be enhanced by
Kirsty McKeown, a capable new editor. Grissel Jaffrey is covered in a number of sources:
[1],
[2],
[3]. Her life has also inspired fiction:
[4]. (cc
Delphine Dallison)--
Ipigott (
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09:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Sadly i was on holiday and missed this debate - however I did not want it to remain abandoned so I have moved it to main space with some refs. Thx to Kirsty for starting it. Is there anyone who could take pix in Dundee of her plaque, gravemarker and mosaic?
Victuallers (
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11:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Thank you for all the help with this, I am still getting to grips with this and it is appreciated. I will take photos of the plaque, mosaic and marker stone this week and upload them to commons for inclusion in the article.
Kirsty McKeown (
talk)
21:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Categories and can she be called a Dundonian?
As the article gives Grissel Jaffra's place of birth as
Aberdeen I have moved this article from
Category:People from Dundee - which as it says in the category page is "only for people actually born in Dundee" to
Category:People associated with Dundee which is the category for "people with a strong association with Dundee", which she certainly fits into. On a related point however can Grissel Jaffray be described as a "Dundonian woman burned at the stake" if she was not born in
Dundee. I am not sure if there is a hard and fast rule, but my own experience is that anyone in Dundee calling themselves a Dundonian would have to actually be born in Dundee. Someone who had lived in the city for a long time, but born elsewhere would usually not be classed as such. However I also know that some class
Mary Slessor who lived in Dundee only from about the age of 11, but was born in Aberdeen as a Dundonian, though I would note that her wikipedia article does not make this claim. The Dundee article simply says "Natives of Dundee are called Dundonians", which leaves the issue slightly open to interpretation. I would welcome thoughts on this.
Dunarc (
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23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)reply
This page was created as part of a
Wikipedia:GLAM/SLIC/Events/Women of Skye Wikipedia Editathon in October 2018, held to encourage new editors and create missing articles about notable women of Skye. If there are issues with this article, please offer constructive criticism and assistance in improving it, rather than marking it for deletion. Thanks!
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Contested deletion
I am struggling to understand why this page is marked for speedy deletion as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax. Grissel Jaffrey was a real woman in Dundee, the last woman to be burned for witchcraft in the city and am adding her page as part of a project adding Scottish women's history to Wikipedia. This page is still a draft only and has not been published live. Further information and sources have still to be added. I do not believe this falls under pure hoax or vandalism. --
Kirsty McKeown (
talk)
08:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Victuallers: This seems to have been a rather hasty unwarranted decision by
RHaworth, especially as the article was being developed in connection with an
editathon. In the light of the above, I think it would be reasonable to restore the draft so that it can be enhanced by
Kirsty McKeown, a capable new editor. Grissel Jaffrey is covered in a number of sources:
[1],
[2],
[3]. Her life has also inspired fiction:
[4]. (cc
Delphine Dallison)--
Ipigott (
talk)
09:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Sadly i was on holiday and missed this debate - however I did not want it to remain abandoned so I have moved it to main space with some refs. Thx to Kirsty for starting it. Is there anyone who could take pix in Dundee of her plaque, gravemarker and mosaic?
Victuallers (
talk)
11:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Thank you for all the help with this, I am still getting to grips with this and it is appreciated. I will take photos of the plaque, mosaic and marker stone this week and upload them to commons for inclusion in the article.
Kirsty McKeown (
talk)
21:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Categories and can she be called a Dundonian?
As the article gives Grissel Jaffra's place of birth as
Aberdeen I have moved this article from
Category:People from Dundee - which as it says in the category page is "only for people actually born in Dundee" to
Category:People associated with Dundee which is the category for "people with a strong association with Dundee", which she certainly fits into. On a related point however can Grissel Jaffray be described as a "Dundonian woman burned at the stake" if she was not born in
Dundee. I am not sure if there is a hard and fast rule, but my own experience is that anyone in Dundee calling themselves a Dundonian would have to actually be born in Dundee. Someone who had lived in the city for a long time, but born elsewhere would usually not be classed as such. However I also know that some class
Mary Slessor who lived in Dundee only from about the age of 11, but was born in Aberdeen as a Dundonian, though I would note that her wikipedia article does not make this claim. The Dundee article simply says "Natives of Dundee are called Dundonians", which leaves the issue slightly open to interpretation. I would welcome thoughts on this.
Dunarc (
talk)
23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)reply