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I note that the article states that Boe's secret is three words long, and not four as is commonly believed. Is this an error, or has there been an update from RTD? Either way, where's the citation? Steffan Alun 19:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The Macra Terror:
The hidden monsters in this episode are confirmed to be mutated (the Doctor says "devolved") Macra, from The Macra Terror. Kelvingreen 19:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
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the Face of Boe's last words are "you are not alone," although the Doctor tells Martha this is a lie and says he is alone.-- |
Lerdthenerd 19:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
The first hymn in this episode may very well be The Old Rugged Cross, but I'm pretty sure the second one (towards the end of the episode) was different. Any ideas? Kelvingreen 20:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
We really should only have one image. -- GracieLizzie 22:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else notice that despite being in New (New) York, the driver's seat is on the right as opposed to the left in America? Samx 22:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Presumably when Lineker said "Welcome back to the TARDIS" after half time he was in part making a joking reference to the small observation boxes provided for press at football grounds. I didn't watch the match so I don't know for sure that he was on-site,or whether he was in a regular BBC television studio. Did anyone see that? -- Tony Sidaway 11:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted a supposed reference to Bad Wolf as this seems to be based on original research. Looks like I caused some collateral damage, which I'll repair. -- Tony Sidaway 13:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Am I perhaps the only one to have noticed that not only does the poster (possibly) have the symbols for "bad wolf" but the figure in the image seems to be a blonde warrior woman in shining armor? An homage to Rose, perhaps??? -- Drscompanion2 ( talk) 03:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
"** This may be something to do with the fact that The Doctor is half-human, and so there is only one 'proper' timelord elsewhere" I read this in the continuaty section and was pretty sure that it was still a theory and we wern't aloud to say it, should it be deleted?-- Wiggstar69 19:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As most are aware, the 9th episode of Doctor Who's current season is called "Bliss". Now that we know what Bliss is and how it almost wiped out the human race, I am sure Bliss involves the Doctor doing what he can to stop the people who created it from destroying his favorite people. As the producer states that this is the last visit to New Earth, Bliss was crearted apparently in far future after events in "New Earth". —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanLKaufman ( talk • contribs)
Is this a notable fact? I don't really think that repeated use of the line "Take me back" is necessarily anything significant in a show about travelling. BreathingMeat 23:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
"Take me back" would be a natural response, however, I think it's worth noting that Martha also has the same internal confliction about not bothering to think before jumping straight into the TARDIS with the Doctor as Rose had in "The End of the World" when asked about the Doctor. -- Drscompanion2 ( talk) 03:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually most of the "half hour" episodes were about 25 minutes. Star Trek: TOS episodes were about 50 minutes excluding commercials, while the subsequent series had running times of between 42 and 46 minutes. If there's some genius out there who can work out the exact combined length of all the Star Trek and Doctor Who series, he's a better man than I am, Gunga Din. Lee M 10:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
At this point in time it's become pretty clear that "specials" like the Xmas specials are (typically) one hour (give or take a couple, this is BBC, after all) but most "regular" episodes are about 46 minutes. This allows for the insertion of commercial breaks in areas that show commercials (e.g., BBCAmerica in the U.S.) yet fitting in a one-hour time slot. However, BBCAmerica has a bad habit of cutting almost 12 minutes out of the specials (cf. my notes on " Christmas Invasion") when they show them as reruns. Jeff ( talk) 00:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, we've got a good source for the Doctor Who record and that's in the article. But I removed, in two successive edits, some extensive speculation based on episode lengths, spin-offs and the like:
We don't put our own comparisons into the work. We write about the comparisons performed by reputable and reliable sources. -- Tony Sidaway 14:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
First of all, Torchwood: Ghost Machine is the Whoniverse episode that overtook the overall number of Star Trek TV episodes because there have been 723 Doctor Who broadcast episodes before plus K-9 and Company before Torchwood was broadcast. Therefore it is the third Torchwood episode Ghost Machine that overtook the Star Treks.
As to only including reliable sources, if a source gets the information wrong it is the responsibility of someone to point out it is wrong. To include a source with wrong information without someone acknowledging that it is wrong is telling a L-I-E, lie.
It is completely unfair that Doctor Who is counted on its own without its spin-offs while all the Star Treks is counted together. Gridlock is not the record breaker. It is as simple as that. -- The Shadow Treasurer 05:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't really about telling the truth but the conclusion that was based on a wrong premise hence why it should not be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.3.72.79 ( talk) 00:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Was it just me, or was this episode packed with Futurama references? For example, the episode was set in New New York, one of the main characters was called Brannigan, there was a huge head in a jar, and possibly more references that I didn't pick up on. Tombrabbin 00:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Gridlock of flying cars in New York: The Fifth Element. The bureaucracy: Brazil and Terry Gilliam's works in general. Turning off the car's electrical systems to hide: not just the submarine movies Martha refers to, but also The Matrix. The people of the upper city dying in their seats due to a supposedly benign drug: Serenity. -- FOo 07:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, what I meant by "visual references" were motifs within the episode, not "references" in the sense of "citations". :) -- FOo 05:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
How is it, if the entire under city was closed off to prevent the virus from spreading, and the entire undercity was sealed off until the very end of the episode, how is it raining when they first land? Is the undercity so large that it has its own underground clouds?-- 172.131.151.46 12:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It could just be artifical rain.
Or maybe the sealed-off area generated its own atmosphere.
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This edit war re the caption under the Face of Boe picture is getting old. Can we please debate it here and make up our minds? BreathingMeat 20:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I am thinking of adding this reference in the continuity to other episode section where the arrow is still in the door. This from Silver Nemesis The following from talk on Shakespeare code was removed. I think it might fit better in gridlock.
currently the text reads. *As the Doctor leaves the TARDIS at the start of the episode, he pulls out the arrow that was embedded in the door at the end of that episode.
If I see no objection I would like to change it to read *As the Doctor leaves the TARDIS at the start of the episode, he pulls out the arrow that was embedded in the door at the end of that episode. This is is reminiscent of an earlier Seventh Doctor adventure Silver Nemesis when Lady Peinforte shoots an arrow that also sticks into the TARDIS door. SheepDoll 08:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I've recently requested a citation for a continuity note which now stands as
*In the car of the two Asiatic girls, there is a poster on the wall with the characters 悪狼, which mean bad wolf in Japanese. citation needed
OZOO has suggested using Babelfish as a reference. Is this acceptable practice? Mark H Wilkinson 09:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Some more confusion/information on this subject: To start with, the characters 悪狼 mean "bad wolf" - there is no doubt about that. However, the Japanese do not seem to use this expression for The Big Bad Wolf in fairy tales. That is perfectly in line with the other strange Doctor Who translations of "bad wolf". Norwegian dårlig ulv and German schlechter Wolf both mean "bad wolf" in the sense of a wolf that has a deficiency, like one that does not hunt very well or not being grey enough to look like a real wolf. I just realised that 悪狼 is a combination that is used in Dai shogi (and other shogi variants) for a particular piece. The pronunciation is "akurō", at least when used for this piece. Mlewan 19:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm almost certain this line from The Two Doctors (spoken by the Sixth Doctor) is spoken by the male carjacker to explain away the noises made by the Macra, but I haven't seen Gridlock again to make sure.
"It's just the hydrolics. Some of these systems are very old, there's bound to be the odd wheeze."
-- HyperBlossom 09:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I linked Sally Calypso, as I thought I remembered reading a section on her in a compilation article. Unfortunately, Sally Calypso doesn't redirect to that article. If anyone else can find it, please redirect properly (or you can create your own). If not, please remove the link. I am leaving it as a link to inspire someone to do something.
-- trlkly 08:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
As the nude couple appear ashamed of their nudity (to the Doctor) and with the lack of an on-screen nudist reference, I have changed the couple to be nude, which resolves the OR issue by being immediately observable.
Hope that made sense -- trlkly 09:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the American Gothic note to refer to "the farming couple". According to the linked Wikipedia article, the suggestion that the painting depicts a father and daughter is that of one of the sitters for the painting. It is usually taken to represent a husband and wife. "Farming couple" is general enough I hope. Klippa 02:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Why was the "farming couple" (aka American Gothic) in the "Fast Lane" with only 2 people? Myksmith ( talk) 05:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
When the Doctor asks Brannigan how long he'll keep on driving, Brannigan replies, "Till the journey's end". This would seem to be a pre-figuring (or whatever the word would be) of the Season 4 closer, " Journey's End". Jeff ( talk) 08:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not so sure, but lacking any, y'know, evidence that it's intentional (see, I'm learning ;-) )... I thought maybe it would ring a bell for someone out of some interview or something. Certainly, it's not unique here, there's a ST:TNG episode with that name. Jeff ( talk) 01:14, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I removed the misleading fact that Gridlock broke a record when it became the Doctor Who episode that outnumbered the total number of Star Trek episodes. That was based on a false premise in counting one show Doctor Who but not its spinoffs and counting six seperate Star Trek shows. That count is unfair and the very basis of it seems bias Star Trek itself because it has effectively stated that Star Trek spinoffs but not ones that came out of Doctor Who. If the count was done fairly in counting all Whoniverse episodes one would have found that the Torchwood episode Ghost Machine was the 727th Whoniverse episode and therefore the one that overtook the total number of Star Trek episodes. The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 00:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
GraemeLeggett you obviously did not read what I wrote about the Guinness Book of Records as this was not about the Guinness Book of Records as I did not even mention it for this subject. The Guinness Book of Records for this topic was simply irrelevant. Also the fact that my edit did not get reverted simply shows that your argument was a non-starter. The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 13:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I also removed the fact about the Guinness Book of Records as that had nothing to do with the number of Doctor Who and Star Trek episodes which had previously followed about publicity making the mistake that Gridlock overtook the total number of Star Trek episodes in this article which I also removed. The Guinness Book of Records was instead about Doctor Who and Stargate SG-1 therefore it is irrelevant here because there was no mention in publicity about Gridlock about either the Guinness Book of Records nor about Stargate SG-1. The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 00:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I have never edited a wiki page before so I was unsure whether this should be included (maybe in the production section or trivia?) but at approximately 2:20 into the episode, just after Martha asks 'Lots of planets in the sky?' a boom mic appears in shot for a second at the top of the screen. Jay A 213.123.122.209 ( talk) 15:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Following up recent reverting with TedEdwards. My reasoning for referring to him as "The Doctor" in the lead paragraph is as follows. The character's name in the show and more generally within the series is "The Doctor". Using a term such as "Tenth Doctor" seems very internal to the fan-base and not something I would expect in a general explanation on Wikipedia. I'm more forgiving of such terms within articles, but at least the lead section should avoid such terms (unless explained). In particular because the lead section currently even explains what the character is to readers unfamiliar with the series (He is an "alien time traveller"). Such introductory statements seem incompatible with unexplained use of an internal term like "Tenth Doctor".
In short, I'm a fan of the show and quite familiar with these terms. But, a lead section is meant to be widely accessible for the audience and should avoid this phrase, or it explain it (perhaps in brackets, like we do with the actor's name). -- Krinkle ( talk) 17:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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I note that the article states that Boe's secret is three words long, and not four as is commonly believed. Is this an error, or has there been an update from RTD? Either way, where's the citation? Steffan Alun 19:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The Macra Terror:
The hidden monsters in this episode are confirmed to be mutated (the Doctor says "devolved") Macra, from The Macra Terror. Kelvingreen 19:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
{{spoiler}}
{{spoiler}}
the Face of Boe's last words are "you are not alone," although the Doctor tells Martha this is a lie and says he is alone.-- |
Lerdthenerd 19:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
The first hymn in this episode may very well be The Old Rugged Cross, but I'm pretty sure the second one (towards the end of the episode) was different. Any ideas? Kelvingreen 20:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
We really should only have one image. -- GracieLizzie 22:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else notice that despite being in New (New) York, the driver's seat is on the right as opposed to the left in America? Samx 22:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Presumably when Lineker said "Welcome back to the TARDIS" after half time he was in part making a joking reference to the small observation boxes provided for press at football grounds. I didn't watch the match so I don't know for sure that he was on-site,or whether he was in a regular BBC television studio. Did anyone see that? -- Tony Sidaway 11:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted a supposed reference to Bad Wolf as this seems to be based on original research. Looks like I caused some collateral damage, which I'll repair. -- Tony Sidaway 13:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Am I perhaps the only one to have noticed that not only does the poster (possibly) have the symbols for "bad wolf" but the figure in the image seems to be a blonde warrior woman in shining armor? An homage to Rose, perhaps??? -- Drscompanion2 ( talk) 03:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
"** This may be something to do with the fact that The Doctor is half-human, and so there is only one 'proper' timelord elsewhere" I read this in the continuaty section and was pretty sure that it was still a theory and we wern't aloud to say it, should it be deleted?-- Wiggstar69 19:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As most are aware, the 9th episode of Doctor Who's current season is called "Bliss". Now that we know what Bliss is and how it almost wiped out the human race, I am sure Bliss involves the Doctor doing what he can to stop the people who created it from destroying his favorite people. As the producer states that this is the last visit to New Earth, Bliss was crearted apparently in far future after events in "New Earth". —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanLKaufman ( talk • contribs)
Is this a notable fact? I don't really think that repeated use of the line "Take me back" is necessarily anything significant in a show about travelling. BreathingMeat 23:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
"Take me back" would be a natural response, however, I think it's worth noting that Martha also has the same internal confliction about not bothering to think before jumping straight into the TARDIS with the Doctor as Rose had in "The End of the World" when asked about the Doctor. -- Drscompanion2 ( talk) 03:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually most of the "half hour" episodes were about 25 minutes. Star Trek: TOS episodes were about 50 minutes excluding commercials, while the subsequent series had running times of between 42 and 46 minutes. If there's some genius out there who can work out the exact combined length of all the Star Trek and Doctor Who series, he's a better man than I am, Gunga Din. Lee M 10:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
At this point in time it's become pretty clear that "specials" like the Xmas specials are (typically) one hour (give or take a couple, this is BBC, after all) but most "regular" episodes are about 46 minutes. This allows for the insertion of commercial breaks in areas that show commercials (e.g., BBCAmerica in the U.S.) yet fitting in a one-hour time slot. However, BBCAmerica has a bad habit of cutting almost 12 minutes out of the specials (cf. my notes on " Christmas Invasion") when they show them as reruns. Jeff ( talk) 00:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, we've got a good source for the Doctor Who record and that's in the article. But I removed, in two successive edits, some extensive speculation based on episode lengths, spin-offs and the like:
We don't put our own comparisons into the work. We write about the comparisons performed by reputable and reliable sources. -- Tony Sidaway 14:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
First of all, Torchwood: Ghost Machine is the Whoniverse episode that overtook the overall number of Star Trek TV episodes because there have been 723 Doctor Who broadcast episodes before plus K-9 and Company before Torchwood was broadcast. Therefore it is the third Torchwood episode Ghost Machine that overtook the Star Treks.
As to only including reliable sources, if a source gets the information wrong it is the responsibility of someone to point out it is wrong. To include a source with wrong information without someone acknowledging that it is wrong is telling a L-I-E, lie.
It is completely unfair that Doctor Who is counted on its own without its spin-offs while all the Star Treks is counted together. Gridlock is not the record breaker. It is as simple as that. -- The Shadow Treasurer 05:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
It wasn't really about telling the truth but the conclusion that was based on a wrong premise hence why it should not be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.3.72.79 ( talk) 00:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Was it just me, or was this episode packed with Futurama references? For example, the episode was set in New New York, one of the main characters was called Brannigan, there was a huge head in a jar, and possibly more references that I didn't pick up on. Tombrabbin 00:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Gridlock of flying cars in New York: The Fifth Element. The bureaucracy: Brazil and Terry Gilliam's works in general. Turning off the car's electrical systems to hide: not just the submarine movies Martha refers to, but also The Matrix. The people of the upper city dying in their seats due to a supposedly benign drug: Serenity. -- FOo 07:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, what I meant by "visual references" were motifs within the episode, not "references" in the sense of "citations". :) -- FOo 05:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
How is it, if the entire under city was closed off to prevent the virus from spreading, and the entire undercity was sealed off until the very end of the episode, how is it raining when they first land? Is the undercity so large that it has its own underground clouds?-- 172.131.151.46 12:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It could just be artifical rain.
Or maybe the sealed-off area generated its own atmosphere.
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This edit war re the caption under the Face of Boe picture is getting old. Can we please debate it here and make up our minds? BreathingMeat 20:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I am thinking of adding this reference in the continuity to other episode section where the arrow is still in the door. This from Silver Nemesis The following from talk on Shakespeare code was removed. I think it might fit better in gridlock.
currently the text reads. *As the Doctor leaves the TARDIS at the start of the episode, he pulls out the arrow that was embedded in the door at the end of that episode.
If I see no objection I would like to change it to read *As the Doctor leaves the TARDIS at the start of the episode, he pulls out the arrow that was embedded in the door at the end of that episode. This is is reminiscent of an earlier Seventh Doctor adventure Silver Nemesis when Lady Peinforte shoots an arrow that also sticks into the TARDIS door. SheepDoll 08:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I've recently requested a citation for a continuity note which now stands as
*In the car of the two Asiatic girls, there is a poster on the wall with the characters 悪狼, which mean bad wolf in Japanese. citation needed
OZOO has suggested using Babelfish as a reference. Is this acceptable practice? Mark H Wilkinson 09:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Some more confusion/information on this subject: To start with, the characters 悪狼 mean "bad wolf" - there is no doubt about that. However, the Japanese do not seem to use this expression for The Big Bad Wolf in fairy tales. That is perfectly in line with the other strange Doctor Who translations of "bad wolf". Norwegian dårlig ulv and German schlechter Wolf both mean "bad wolf" in the sense of a wolf that has a deficiency, like one that does not hunt very well or not being grey enough to look like a real wolf. I just realised that 悪狼 is a combination that is used in Dai shogi (and other shogi variants) for a particular piece. The pronunciation is "akurō", at least when used for this piece. Mlewan 19:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm almost certain this line from The Two Doctors (spoken by the Sixth Doctor) is spoken by the male carjacker to explain away the noises made by the Macra, but I haven't seen Gridlock again to make sure.
"It's just the hydrolics. Some of these systems are very old, there's bound to be the odd wheeze."
-- HyperBlossom 09:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I linked Sally Calypso, as I thought I remembered reading a section on her in a compilation article. Unfortunately, Sally Calypso doesn't redirect to that article. If anyone else can find it, please redirect properly (or you can create your own). If not, please remove the link. I am leaving it as a link to inspire someone to do something.
-- trlkly 08:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
As the nude couple appear ashamed of their nudity (to the Doctor) and with the lack of an on-screen nudist reference, I have changed the couple to be nude, which resolves the OR issue by being immediately observable.
Hope that made sense -- trlkly 09:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I've changed the American Gothic note to refer to "the farming couple". According to the linked Wikipedia article, the suggestion that the painting depicts a father and daughter is that of one of the sitters for the painting. It is usually taken to represent a husband and wife. "Farming couple" is general enough I hope. Klippa 02:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Why was the "farming couple" (aka American Gothic) in the "Fast Lane" with only 2 people? Myksmith ( talk) 05:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
When the Doctor asks Brannigan how long he'll keep on driving, Brannigan replies, "Till the journey's end". This would seem to be a pre-figuring (or whatever the word would be) of the Season 4 closer, " Journey's End". Jeff ( talk) 08:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not so sure, but lacking any, y'know, evidence that it's intentional (see, I'm learning ;-) )... I thought maybe it would ring a bell for someone out of some interview or something. Certainly, it's not unique here, there's a ST:TNG episode with that name. Jeff ( talk) 01:14, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I removed the misleading fact that Gridlock broke a record when it became the Doctor Who episode that outnumbered the total number of Star Trek episodes. That was based on a false premise in counting one show Doctor Who but not its spinoffs and counting six seperate Star Trek shows. That count is unfair and the very basis of it seems bias Star Trek itself because it has effectively stated that Star Trek spinoffs but not ones that came out of Doctor Who. If the count was done fairly in counting all Whoniverse episodes one would have found that the Torchwood episode Ghost Machine was the 727th Whoniverse episode and therefore the one that overtook the total number of Star Trek episodes. The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 00:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
GraemeLeggett you obviously did not read what I wrote about the Guinness Book of Records as this was not about the Guinness Book of Records as I did not even mention it for this subject. The Guinness Book of Records for this topic was simply irrelevant. Also the fact that my edit did not get reverted simply shows that your argument was a non-starter. The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 13:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I also removed the fact about the Guinness Book of Records as that had nothing to do with the number of Doctor Who and Star Trek episodes which had previously followed about publicity making the mistake that Gridlock overtook the total number of Star Trek episodes in this article which I also removed. The Guinness Book of Records was instead about Doctor Who and Stargate SG-1 therefore it is irrelevant here because there was no mention in publicity about Gridlock about either the Guinness Book of Records nor about Stargate SG-1. The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 00:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I have never edited a wiki page before so I was unsure whether this should be included (maybe in the production section or trivia?) but at approximately 2:20 into the episode, just after Martha asks 'Lots of planets in the sky?' a boom mic appears in shot for a second at the top of the screen. Jay A 213.123.122.209 ( talk) 15:10, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Following up recent reverting with TedEdwards. My reasoning for referring to him as "The Doctor" in the lead paragraph is as follows. The character's name in the show and more generally within the series is "The Doctor". Using a term such as "Tenth Doctor" seems very internal to the fan-base and not something I would expect in a general explanation on Wikipedia. I'm more forgiving of such terms within articles, but at least the lead section should avoid such terms (unless explained). In particular because the lead section currently even explains what the character is to readers unfamiliar with the series (He is an "alien time traveller"). Such introductory statements seem incompatible with unexplained use of an internal term like "Tenth Doctor".
In short, I'm a fan of the show and quite familiar with these terms. But, a lead section is meant to be widely accessible for the audience and should avoid this phrase, or it explain it (perhaps in brackets, like we do with the actor's name). -- Krinkle ( talk) 17:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)