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A grenade is a form of of time bomb, and the bomb explodes on impact. The correct weapoan name would be "warhead launcher" but a better name could probably be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.0.89 ( talk) 13:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
the article is currently confusing on the issue of rifle grenades. If you read from the beginning, the link to the rifle grenade implied to me that this article would not be about rifle grenades. Then this article went on to discuss things that seem to be rifle grenades anyway? I don't know, I can't tell, that's why I call it confusing.
Pulled this section out of the article. Metal storm is a cool idea/device but it's not a grenade launcher. Even if they make a MS GL, this article isn't the place to detail the mechanism.
Though not strictly a grenade launching platform, the Metal Storm system is certainly usable in this role. The idea is to place multiple projectiles stacked in a single barrel and fire them either in sequence, in bursts, or all at once. Due to this configuration, and the fact that the charges are electronically fired, the system can reach an amazing rate of fire while maintaining simplicity and reliability. The concept of stacking projectiles in one barrel is not new but never before has a system been as integrated and possibly useful as this. Multiple barrels could be mounted holding different types of grenades to deal with different threats such as personnel or heavily armored vehicles. While grenades do not normally pose a threat to armored vehicles, one side effect of an extremely high rate of fire is the fact that it could dig through using successive projectiles fired at one point. This may seem like the ideal system for grenade launchers, however, due to the fact that once a barrel's charges are expended, you would then be carrying dead weight or have to throw away an entire barrel instead of simply inserting a new magazine or belt. For this reason, it is unlikely that Metal Storm will become a standard issue smallarm, other than for special operations, unless a way to make cheaper and lighter barrels can be found. One experimental attempt at meshing a traditional rifle and Metal Storm system is the Australian Advanced Individual Combat Weapon program that takes the standard Steyr AUG rifle and places a 40 mm Metal Storm barrel on top with a fire control system built into the stock. As it is still at the prototype stages, it has yet to be seen whether this combination will actually be effective in the field.
In the very start its said AG36 can be used "stand alone" like M79. This is incorrect.
http://www.hkpro.com/ag36.htm is underbarrel like 203,
http://www.hkpro.com/hk69.htm the KH69 on the other hand is stand alone launcher like M79 and i can understand how somebody with no knowledge can confuse the two, but to be correct they are not the same weapon even if there is superficial similarity there.
With automatic grenade launchers such as the Mark 19, what is the actual definition difference between an automatic grenade launcher and an autocannon? Does an autocannon use higher velocities and more streamlined shells rather than shooting out more rounded shots with a lower velocity via less powder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.25.127 ( talk) 14:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Trajectory of Round. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
143.79.13.6 (
talk) 11:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
The definition of grenade launcher refers to grenade. However, grenade redirects to Hand grenade, that is weapon designed to be thrown by hand. I think, we need an all-sufficient definition. Ufim ( talk) 15:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
perhaps we should include a section about a grenade launchers advantages over say a cannon of similer calibre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.112.11 ( talk) 13:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to have a very specific focus on the development and use of Grenade Launchers among the US defence forces. This is not just limited to American service weapons and prototypes being the only ones included in the article but (current) American uses for grenade launchers being the only ones listed. Where is it explained that automatic grenade launchers make an effective and light weapon to mount on helicopters or that many infantry fighting vehicles come equipped with them. Where are the mentions of new models in other countries with different approaches to the problem of weight & size then Heckler & Koch? Russia has a GMG thats 16kg and supposedly portable enough to keep up with a platoon. Australia is developing a very unique an interesting semi-automatic grenade launcher, albeit slowly. China already has something in service akin to the USA's development, designed practically for marksmanship with grenades.-- Senor Freebie ( talk) 02:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with this. Not alot of people that I have talked to knows about a Russian revolver-type personal Grenade Launcher. Hell, there's not even an article about it on Wikipedia. The GRAU designation is 6G-30. I'm not Russian, but I believe it means, "6 Grenades, 30 mm", however, this is a 40 mm launcher. If anybody wants to make this article, please contact me, I have a basic description and specifications. Victory in Germany ( talk) 08:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello, what is a smoke discharger? Is it a smoke grenade launcher? -- Diwas ( talk) 13:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if a small section on grenade launchers in gaming might be worthwhile. To date, all such additions have been non-constructive, as I saw them. Not a high priority for me, nor something I feel strongly about, and I wanted to see if there would be strong support or opposition.- Sinneed 16:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
In the US there are 37mm and 40mm grenades and launchers. Certain military type grenades (high explosive, shaped charge, incendiary) are made in 40mm only; while tear gas, smoke, signal flares, etc. are made in 37mm and 40mm, no high explosive or incendiary rounds are made in 37mm. This is a divide of military 40mm v police 37mm (and in many jurisdictions civilians may legally own 37mm launchers and (nonlethal) ammunition as collectibles). Naaman Brown ( talk) 23:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
It actually stands for "Ruchnoy Protivotankovyy Granatomyot" or Hand-Held Anti-tank Grenade launcher. The statement currently on the page is an false urban myth. I would appreciate it if this could be changed. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.162.21 ( talk) 07:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
The U.S. Military invented the Attached Grenade Launcher. The U.S. Army Feild Manual [1] clearly refers to it as "attached". However, a user insists on calling this class of weapons as "underslung" based on a source [2] referring to specific grenade launcher called the "Underslung Grenade Launcher (UGL)". The UGL is manufactured by Heckler & Koch and is fitted to the L85 rifle. I believe that "Attached" should be used as the correct terminology. As calling this class of weapon "Underslung Grenade Launcher" would be the equivalent of calling all sports cars "Corvettes".
Also, a simple Google search for the term "Underslung" shows that it is most associated with "Battlefield" video game series, whereas the term "Underbarrel" is the common name used in the firearms industry, firearms publications and encyclopedias. Such as Small Arms Survey, [3] Jane's [4] and OPFOR WORLDWIDE EQUIPMENT GUIDE. [5] Russia's Izhmash calls their GP-34 an "underbarrel grenade launcher". [6] It should be noted that Izhmash is not an American or even a western source.
I have also reviewed the H&K product website for 40mm systems [7] and they refer to their product as "add-on grenade launcher" they do not use the "underslung" designation. It appears that the term "Underslung Grenade Launcher (UGL)" is nothing more than the British military designation for the specific type of H&K grenade launcher which they use. [8]. Also, the Australians [9] and the Canadians [10] do not use the "underslung" designation. -- RAF910 ( talk) 20:08, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
The following was left on my talk page by Herr Gruber ( talk)...
"In general the only sources that call the Japanese knee mortars grenade launchers rather than light mortars (which is what they are) are quoting the translation of the Japanese name. A device that fires literal hand grenades is not within the normal definition of the term, and shoehorning in a very borderline example that maybe kinda qualifies isn't really something that should be done in an article defining a piece of technology. Really rifle grenades shouldn't be there either since many attach to a muzzle piece that's only a "grenade launcher" if you're a politician trying to ban the SKS. Herr Gruber ( talk) 05:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC)"
He appears to be arguing that devices which launch actual hand grenades are not Grenade Launchers. And, we should not call them such for fear that the politicians will ban them. I disagree, I believe that Wikipedia should provide accurate information.-- RAF910 ( talk) 18:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
TC 9-56, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY TRAINING CIRCULAR, SKS RIFLE, SIMONOV TYPE 56, HEADQUARTERS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY, OCTOBER 1969. See... http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MILITARY/united_states_army_tc_9-56%20-%201_october_1969.pdf Page 1..."The Yugoslav M59/66 has a prominent spigot-type grenade launcher permanently attached to the muzzle and a folding grenade launching sight at the rear of the launcher." I think you will find that every book, firearms encyclopedia, firearms magazine, and military reference guide calls them grenade launchers. Since, you clearly have limited knowledge on subject and you appear to be imposing some sort of anti-gun-grabber POV into the article, I'm going to restore the edit.-- RAF910 ( talk) 05:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Your POV is irrelevant. All of the following sources refer to the Japaneses Type 10 & Type 89 as "grenade launchers, grenade discharges and grenade projectors"...
The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, by Chris Bishop, Sterling Publishing Company, Inc., 2002 page 201
The Hand Grenade, by Gordon L. Rottman & Johnny Shumate, Osprey Publishing, Feb 20, 2015, page 34
Japanese Army in World War II : Conquest of the Pacific 1941-42, Gordon Rottman, Osprey Publishing, Jun 20, 2013, page 46
The Japanese Army Handbook 1939-1945, by George Forty, The History Press, Dec 16, 2002
Japanese Infantryman 1937-45: Sword of the Empire, Gordon L Rottman, Osprey Publishing, Sep 20, 2012, page 17
Hell in the Pacific: The Battle for Iwo Jima, Derrick Wright, Osprey Publishing, Jan 1, 2012, page 95
The Big Book of Gun Trivia: Everything you want to know, don't want to know, and don't know you need to know, by Gordon L Rottman, Osprey Publishing, Oct 20, 2013
U.S. War Department Intelligence Bulletin, Military Intelligence Service, Vol. I, No. 9: May 1943, Japanese Grenade Dischargers
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/wwIIspec/number19.pdf
http://www.guns.com/2012/10/31/japanese-type-89-knee-mortar/
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=298
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Japanese+%22knee%22+mortars.-a0206794260
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30025469
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=517
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/japkneemortar.html
-- RAF910 ( talk) 18:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Herr Gruber is purposely mischaracterizing the http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Japanese+%22knee%22+mortars.-a0206794260 reference. I encourage everyone to read it. The first sentence states..."Let me start by saying that the World-War-II-era, Japanese Type 89 launcher is no more a "knee" mortar than the German World War II-era MP40 submachine gun was a "Schmeisser."
It then goes on for 10 paragraphs explaining why it's NOT a a knee mortar. That knee mortar is only the nick-name given to it by G.I Joe and defining what mortars are.
The 10th paragraph states..."Today, both the Japanese Type 10 and Type 89 launchers would be called light weight "patrol mortars." Both have 50mm bores. The first to be fielded by the Japanese Imperial army was the Type 10 grenade discharger, which is quite a rarity in any Japanese World-War-II-era military small arms collection."
This is where Herr Gruber took the first sentence of the 10th paragraph out of context and proudly declared the Type 10 & Type 89 mortars. However, what Herr Gruber fails to mention is the 11th paragraph which unequivocally states that..."It's a true "grenade" launcher, as it was designed specifically to propel the Type 91 fragmentation grenade, to which was added an adapter that principally consisted of a finned tail boom assembly. Of smoothbore design, it was intended to bridge the gap between hand grenades and mortars. Small and compact, it weighs only 5.25 pounds, with an overall length of 20 inches. The launcher tube is 9.5 inches in length, which is the length also of the entire unit when broken down with all of its components stowed inside the tube and carried in a leather harness over the shoulder. The purported range was approximately 175 yards, but I think that would be really stretching its maximum potential."
Herr Gruber apparently that believes that the nick-name of "knee mortar" is the correct name. And, he refuses to accept any source or reference to the contrary. I have provided 16 references to support that they are grenade launchers. He has provided none to support his POV and misrepresented the above reference.-- RAF910 ( talk) 06:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on Assault weapons says that grenade launchers are a "cosmetic feature". That's based on citations from the NRA, et al. This article and that one should agree, one way or another, about whether this feature is cosmetic or not. If they are cosmetic, then this article should say so. If they are not, then that article shoul not say so. Let's be consistent. Felsic2 ( talk) 19:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
There are many value judgments, statistics, and other types of information which should be cited, per WP:V. There are only eight citations for the whole article.
I'm going to see if I can find sources for more of this material. What I can't find I'll tag. Felsic2 ( talk) 23:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
This is primarily a technical article about a class of military weapons. A large section about civilian ownership rules in only one country is of very little relevance. This website is not the Yankopedia. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 07:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The opening sentence, especially "is a weapon that fires a specially-designed large-caliber projectile, often with an explosive, smoke or gas warhead" doesn't really distinguish grenade launchers from other types of weapon which would fit the same definition, such as an artillary piece or cannon. Maybe specifying something about the shell's velocity, average size, or trajectory of travel would make this less ambiguous? DirkJandeGeer ( talk) 19:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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A grenade is a form of of time bomb, and the bomb explodes on impact. The correct weapoan name would be "warhead launcher" but a better name could probably be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.0.89 ( talk) 13:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
the article is currently confusing on the issue of rifle grenades. If you read from the beginning, the link to the rifle grenade implied to me that this article would not be about rifle grenades. Then this article went on to discuss things that seem to be rifle grenades anyway? I don't know, I can't tell, that's why I call it confusing.
Pulled this section out of the article. Metal storm is a cool idea/device but it's not a grenade launcher. Even if they make a MS GL, this article isn't the place to detail the mechanism.
Though not strictly a grenade launching platform, the Metal Storm system is certainly usable in this role. The idea is to place multiple projectiles stacked in a single barrel and fire them either in sequence, in bursts, or all at once. Due to this configuration, and the fact that the charges are electronically fired, the system can reach an amazing rate of fire while maintaining simplicity and reliability. The concept of stacking projectiles in one barrel is not new but never before has a system been as integrated and possibly useful as this. Multiple barrels could be mounted holding different types of grenades to deal with different threats such as personnel or heavily armored vehicles. While grenades do not normally pose a threat to armored vehicles, one side effect of an extremely high rate of fire is the fact that it could dig through using successive projectiles fired at one point. This may seem like the ideal system for grenade launchers, however, due to the fact that once a barrel's charges are expended, you would then be carrying dead weight or have to throw away an entire barrel instead of simply inserting a new magazine or belt. For this reason, it is unlikely that Metal Storm will become a standard issue smallarm, other than for special operations, unless a way to make cheaper and lighter barrels can be found. One experimental attempt at meshing a traditional rifle and Metal Storm system is the Australian Advanced Individual Combat Weapon program that takes the standard Steyr AUG rifle and places a 40 mm Metal Storm barrel on top with a fire control system built into the stock. As it is still at the prototype stages, it has yet to be seen whether this combination will actually be effective in the field.
In the very start its said AG36 can be used "stand alone" like M79. This is incorrect.
http://www.hkpro.com/ag36.htm is underbarrel like 203,
http://www.hkpro.com/hk69.htm the KH69 on the other hand is stand alone launcher like M79 and i can understand how somebody with no knowledge can confuse the two, but to be correct they are not the same weapon even if there is superficial similarity there.
With automatic grenade launchers such as the Mark 19, what is the actual definition difference between an automatic grenade launcher and an autocannon? Does an autocannon use higher velocities and more streamlined shells rather than shooting out more rounded shots with a lower velocity via less powder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.25.127 ( talk) 14:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Trajectory of Round. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
143.79.13.6 (
talk) 11:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
The definition of grenade launcher refers to grenade. However, grenade redirects to Hand grenade, that is weapon designed to be thrown by hand. I think, we need an all-sufficient definition. Ufim ( talk) 15:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
perhaps we should include a section about a grenade launchers advantages over say a cannon of similer calibre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.112.11 ( talk) 13:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to have a very specific focus on the development and use of Grenade Launchers among the US defence forces. This is not just limited to American service weapons and prototypes being the only ones included in the article but (current) American uses for grenade launchers being the only ones listed. Where is it explained that automatic grenade launchers make an effective and light weapon to mount on helicopters or that many infantry fighting vehicles come equipped with them. Where are the mentions of new models in other countries with different approaches to the problem of weight & size then Heckler & Koch? Russia has a GMG thats 16kg and supposedly portable enough to keep up with a platoon. Australia is developing a very unique an interesting semi-automatic grenade launcher, albeit slowly. China already has something in service akin to the USA's development, designed practically for marksmanship with grenades.-- Senor Freebie ( talk) 02:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with this. Not alot of people that I have talked to knows about a Russian revolver-type personal Grenade Launcher. Hell, there's not even an article about it on Wikipedia. The GRAU designation is 6G-30. I'm not Russian, but I believe it means, "6 Grenades, 30 mm", however, this is a 40 mm launcher. If anybody wants to make this article, please contact me, I have a basic description and specifications. Victory in Germany ( talk) 08:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello, what is a smoke discharger? Is it a smoke grenade launcher? -- Diwas ( talk) 13:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if a small section on grenade launchers in gaming might be worthwhile. To date, all such additions have been non-constructive, as I saw them. Not a high priority for me, nor something I feel strongly about, and I wanted to see if there would be strong support or opposition.- Sinneed 16:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
In the US there are 37mm and 40mm grenades and launchers. Certain military type grenades (high explosive, shaped charge, incendiary) are made in 40mm only; while tear gas, smoke, signal flares, etc. are made in 37mm and 40mm, no high explosive or incendiary rounds are made in 37mm. This is a divide of military 40mm v police 37mm (and in many jurisdictions civilians may legally own 37mm launchers and (nonlethal) ammunition as collectibles). Naaman Brown ( talk) 23:21, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
It actually stands for "Ruchnoy Protivotankovyy Granatomyot" or Hand-Held Anti-tank Grenade launcher. The statement currently on the page is an false urban myth. I would appreciate it if this could be changed. :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.162.21 ( talk) 07:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
The U.S. Military invented the Attached Grenade Launcher. The U.S. Army Feild Manual [1] clearly refers to it as "attached". However, a user insists on calling this class of weapons as "underslung" based on a source [2] referring to specific grenade launcher called the "Underslung Grenade Launcher (UGL)". The UGL is manufactured by Heckler & Koch and is fitted to the L85 rifle. I believe that "Attached" should be used as the correct terminology. As calling this class of weapon "Underslung Grenade Launcher" would be the equivalent of calling all sports cars "Corvettes".
Also, a simple Google search for the term "Underslung" shows that it is most associated with "Battlefield" video game series, whereas the term "Underbarrel" is the common name used in the firearms industry, firearms publications and encyclopedias. Such as Small Arms Survey, [3] Jane's [4] and OPFOR WORLDWIDE EQUIPMENT GUIDE. [5] Russia's Izhmash calls their GP-34 an "underbarrel grenade launcher". [6] It should be noted that Izhmash is not an American or even a western source.
I have also reviewed the H&K product website for 40mm systems [7] and they refer to their product as "add-on grenade launcher" they do not use the "underslung" designation. It appears that the term "Underslung Grenade Launcher (UGL)" is nothing more than the British military designation for the specific type of H&K grenade launcher which they use. [8]. Also, the Australians [9] and the Canadians [10] do not use the "underslung" designation. -- RAF910 ( talk) 20:08, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
The following was left on my talk page by Herr Gruber ( talk)...
"In general the only sources that call the Japanese knee mortars grenade launchers rather than light mortars (which is what they are) are quoting the translation of the Japanese name. A device that fires literal hand grenades is not within the normal definition of the term, and shoehorning in a very borderline example that maybe kinda qualifies isn't really something that should be done in an article defining a piece of technology. Really rifle grenades shouldn't be there either since many attach to a muzzle piece that's only a "grenade launcher" if you're a politician trying to ban the SKS. Herr Gruber ( talk) 05:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC)"
He appears to be arguing that devices which launch actual hand grenades are not Grenade Launchers. And, we should not call them such for fear that the politicians will ban them. I disagree, I believe that Wikipedia should provide accurate information.-- RAF910 ( talk) 18:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
TC 9-56, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY TRAINING CIRCULAR, SKS RIFLE, SIMONOV TYPE 56, HEADQUARTERS, DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY, OCTOBER 1969. See... http://pdf.textfiles.com/manuals/MILITARY/united_states_army_tc_9-56%20-%201_october_1969.pdf Page 1..."The Yugoslav M59/66 has a prominent spigot-type grenade launcher permanently attached to the muzzle and a folding grenade launching sight at the rear of the launcher." I think you will find that every book, firearms encyclopedia, firearms magazine, and military reference guide calls them grenade launchers. Since, you clearly have limited knowledge on subject and you appear to be imposing some sort of anti-gun-grabber POV into the article, I'm going to restore the edit.-- RAF910 ( talk) 05:00, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Your POV is irrelevant. All of the following sources refer to the Japaneses Type 10 & Type 89 as "grenade launchers, grenade discharges and grenade projectors"...
The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, by Chris Bishop, Sterling Publishing Company, Inc., 2002 page 201
The Hand Grenade, by Gordon L. Rottman & Johnny Shumate, Osprey Publishing, Feb 20, 2015, page 34
Japanese Army in World War II : Conquest of the Pacific 1941-42, Gordon Rottman, Osprey Publishing, Jun 20, 2013, page 46
The Japanese Army Handbook 1939-1945, by George Forty, The History Press, Dec 16, 2002
Japanese Infantryman 1937-45: Sword of the Empire, Gordon L Rottman, Osprey Publishing, Sep 20, 2012, page 17
Hell in the Pacific: The Battle for Iwo Jima, Derrick Wright, Osprey Publishing, Jan 1, 2012, page 95
The Big Book of Gun Trivia: Everything you want to know, don't want to know, and don't know you need to know, by Gordon L Rottman, Osprey Publishing, Oct 20, 2013
U.S. War Department Intelligence Bulletin, Military Intelligence Service, Vol. I, No. 9: May 1943, Japanese Grenade Dischargers
http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/wwIIspec/number19.pdf
http://www.guns.com/2012/10/31/japanese-type-89-knee-mortar/
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=298
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Japanese+%22knee%22+mortars.-a0206794260
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30025469
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=517
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/japkneemortar.html
-- RAF910 ( talk) 18:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Herr Gruber is purposely mischaracterizing the http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Japanese+%22knee%22+mortars.-a0206794260 reference. I encourage everyone to read it. The first sentence states..."Let me start by saying that the World-War-II-era, Japanese Type 89 launcher is no more a "knee" mortar than the German World War II-era MP40 submachine gun was a "Schmeisser."
It then goes on for 10 paragraphs explaining why it's NOT a a knee mortar. That knee mortar is only the nick-name given to it by G.I Joe and defining what mortars are.
The 10th paragraph states..."Today, both the Japanese Type 10 and Type 89 launchers would be called light weight "patrol mortars." Both have 50mm bores. The first to be fielded by the Japanese Imperial army was the Type 10 grenade discharger, which is quite a rarity in any Japanese World-War-II-era military small arms collection."
This is where Herr Gruber took the first sentence of the 10th paragraph out of context and proudly declared the Type 10 & Type 89 mortars. However, what Herr Gruber fails to mention is the 11th paragraph which unequivocally states that..."It's a true "grenade" launcher, as it was designed specifically to propel the Type 91 fragmentation grenade, to which was added an adapter that principally consisted of a finned tail boom assembly. Of smoothbore design, it was intended to bridge the gap between hand grenades and mortars. Small and compact, it weighs only 5.25 pounds, with an overall length of 20 inches. The launcher tube is 9.5 inches in length, which is the length also of the entire unit when broken down with all of its components stowed inside the tube and carried in a leather harness over the shoulder. The purported range was approximately 175 yards, but I think that would be really stretching its maximum potential."
Herr Gruber apparently that believes that the nick-name of "knee mortar" is the correct name. And, he refuses to accept any source or reference to the contrary. I have provided 16 references to support that they are grenade launchers. He has provided none to support his POV and misrepresented the above reference.-- RAF910 ( talk) 06:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on Assault weapons says that grenade launchers are a "cosmetic feature". That's based on citations from the NRA, et al. This article and that one should agree, one way or another, about whether this feature is cosmetic or not. If they are cosmetic, then this article should say so. If they are not, then that article shoul not say so. Let's be consistent. Felsic2 ( talk) 19:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
There are many value judgments, statistics, and other types of information which should be cited, per WP:V. There are only eight citations for the whole article.
I'm going to see if I can find sources for more of this material. What I can't find I'll tag. Felsic2 ( talk) 23:12, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
This is primarily a technical article about a class of military weapons. A large section about civilian ownership rules in only one country is of very little relevance. This website is not the Yankopedia. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 07:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
The opening sentence, especially "is a weapon that fires a specially-designed large-caliber projectile, often with an explosive, smoke or gas warhead" doesn't really distinguish grenade launchers from other types of weapon which would fit the same definition, such as an artillary piece or cannon. Maybe specifying something about the shell's velocity, average size, or trajectory of travel would make this less ambiguous? DirkJandeGeer ( talk) 19:32, 7 November 2021 (UTC)