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I don't understand why putting "Montenegrin Serb" on every single Montenegro-related article that predates 1945!; it implies as if they all belonged to a national minority (that's what's "Montenegrin Serb", just like "Croatian Serb" or "Bosnian Serb"). And there's no such case - they were all Serbs before, and did not belong to one of the peoples of Montenegro. Just put "Montenegrin" or "Serb" (the first one, rather).
BTW Methodius is right Bob, some of the Greens were known for their overexcessed, even violent, Serbian ultra-nationalism (Serbian Radicals, the kind that outburst in the 1990s), completely contrary to the Whites. -- PaxEquilibrium 13:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As I understood, the Greens were quite volatile Serbian nationalists, in contrast to the civic non-national whites... (today it's vice-versa, the pro-Montenegrins are for severing links with Serbia and pro-Serbs for a united state with Serbia ;0) -- PaxEquilibrium 13:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
So the fierce Serb nationalists wanted Montenegro to have the key role in the unification of South Slavs, but the civic, non-nationalist group wanted Montenegro to be annexed by Serbia? It might be just me, but I don't see any sense in that claim...(Not to mention that Greens/komite were resurrected in WWII in a struggle to create an independent Montenegro). Sideshow Bob 15:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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I am against recent edits and renaming of this article. The previous title version is extensively used in sources on English and renaming should first gain consensus, which is also valid for recent significant changes.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 16:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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Tomasevich (1975, p.209 and 2001, p. 138), Roberts p. 24 and West all refer to them as separatists. Granted, there were differences within the Greens, and there was a federalist wing and a separatist wing within the grouping, but a unilaterial move to federalists is not appropriate. Discuss here and if we can get a consensus fine, if not, you can RM it. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( send... over) 11:56, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Just a few questions for the editor who constantly tries to introduce the assertion that "all Greens were nationally Serbs" based on one sentence taken from a book by Ivo Banac:
- If this premise is true, why would the Green movement be even founded? If they were all ethnically Serbs, why would they organise an armed uprising against unification with Serbia? Shouldn't they be delighted with this development?
- Why would Greens continue to oppose the Serbian monarchist regime of Karađorđević dynasty throughout the existence of Kingdom of Yugoslavia? Shouldn't they, as Serbs, be content with Serbian king and unification with other Serbs in one unitary country?
- Why would those Serbs fight "for the right, freedom and honour of Montenegro", and against Serbian nationalist forces? Shouldn't they be on the same side then?
- Why was the Montenegrin Federalist Party as a political wing of the Greens in Kingdom of Yugoslavia even founded? Why did it constantly fight Serbian hegemony, and why was its activity banned, along with that of the communists?
- Why did the "White terror" occur against the Greens, their families and supporters after the forced annexation of Montenegro in 1918 in which thousands of civilians were murdered by Serbian army and its collaborators?
- Did you, or i. Banac, know all members of the momement personally, so that you can stake a bold claim that each and every one of them was actually a Serb?
I would appreciate some answers this time rather than childish accusations of vandalism and pushing an obvious POV poorly veiled by a single source taken wildly out of context. Sideshow Bob 12:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
OK, so is anyone else at all going to try to contribute to the aeticle, or do I have to deal with a usual routine of Serbia-based authors who deny the very existence of Montenegrins and make disruptive efforts without making any contribution whatsoever? Any sensible comment would be appreciated as well. I made an effort to start expanding the article, and tried to explain the issue being contested, but keep hitting the wall with users who only know how to click the "undo" button. Sideshow Bob 06:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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I don't understand why putting "Montenegrin Serb" on every single Montenegro-related article that predates 1945!; it implies as if they all belonged to a national minority (that's what's "Montenegrin Serb", just like "Croatian Serb" or "Bosnian Serb"). And there's no such case - they were all Serbs before, and did not belong to one of the peoples of Montenegro. Just put "Montenegrin" or "Serb" (the first one, rather).
BTW Methodius is right Bob, some of the Greens were known for their overexcessed, even violent, Serbian ultra-nationalism (Serbian Radicals, the kind that outburst in the 1990s), completely contrary to the Whites. -- PaxEquilibrium 13:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
As I understood, the Greens were quite volatile Serbian nationalists, in contrast to the civic non-national whites... (today it's vice-versa, the pro-Montenegrins are for severing links with Serbia and pro-Serbs for a united state with Serbia ;0) -- PaxEquilibrium 13:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
So the fierce Serb nationalists wanted Montenegro to have the key role in the unification of South Slavs, but the civic, non-nationalist group wanted Montenegro to be annexed by Serbia? It might be just me, but I don't see any sense in that claim...(Not to mention that Greens/komite were resurrected in WWII in a struggle to create an independent Montenegro). Sideshow Bob 15:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Image:Grb petrovic njegosa.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 23:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I am against recent edits and renaming of this article. The previous title version is extensively used in sources on English and renaming should first gain consensus, which is also valid for recent significant changes.-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 16:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
References
Tomasevich (1975, p.209 and 2001, p. 138), Roberts p. 24 and West all refer to them as separatists. Granted, there were differences within the Greens, and there was a federalist wing and a separatist wing within the grouping, but a unilaterial move to federalists is not appropriate. Discuss here and if we can get a consensus fine, if not, you can RM it. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( send... over) 11:56, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Just a few questions for the editor who constantly tries to introduce the assertion that "all Greens were nationally Serbs" based on one sentence taken from a book by Ivo Banac:
- If this premise is true, why would the Green movement be even founded? If they were all ethnically Serbs, why would they organise an armed uprising against unification with Serbia? Shouldn't they be delighted with this development?
- Why would Greens continue to oppose the Serbian monarchist regime of Karađorđević dynasty throughout the existence of Kingdom of Yugoslavia? Shouldn't they, as Serbs, be content with Serbian king and unification with other Serbs in one unitary country?
- Why would those Serbs fight "for the right, freedom and honour of Montenegro", and against Serbian nationalist forces? Shouldn't they be on the same side then?
- Why was the Montenegrin Federalist Party as a political wing of the Greens in Kingdom of Yugoslavia even founded? Why did it constantly fight Serbian hegemony, and why was its activity banned, along with that of the communists?
- Why did the "White terror" occur against the Greens, their families and supporters after the forced annexation of Montenegro in 1918 in which thousands of civilians were murdered by Serbian army and its collaborators?
- Did you, or i. Banac, know all members of the momement personally, so that you can stake a bold claim that each and every one of them was actually a Serb?
I would appreciate some answers this time rather than childish accusations of vandalism and pushing an obvious POV poorly veiled by a single source taken wildly out of context. Sideshow Bob 12:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
OK, so is anyone else at all going to try to contribute to the aeticle, or do I have to deal with a usual routine of Serbia-based authors who deny the very existence of Montenegrins and make disruptive efforts without making any contribution whatsoever? Any sensible comment would be appreciated as well. I made an effort to start expanding the article, and tried to explain the issue being contested, but keep hitting the wall with users who only know how to click the "undo" button. Sideshow Bob 06:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)