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Why is there no proper criticism? Seems like the article was made by a bunch of you weirdo fans who dont go outside and go around insulting people.
~Neo Exelor
This band isnt good its songs are hurtful like American Idiot, All American Rejects are better < Heh. You silly emo Republicans.
You do know that they are American, therefore they were insulting themselves too. And second, dont take the song seriously, no one else does.
I'm very disappointed because you people are going with this band. I don't care if they've sold 10 billion records worldwide! They call themselves something that they're not! PUNK!!! You people are nuts because you're thinking this. A REAL punk band is Sex Pistols, Clash or MxPx. You get it right or don't speak at all! They're freaking POWERPOP!!!!!
--HappyBoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.223.203 ( talk • contribs) MxPx? Yeah, that's pretty damn punk alright...
I must agree that this article needs a criticism section. Although I love Green Day to pieces, even more so after the release of American Idiot, which I think is the greatest mainstream rock album of our time, and as a fan I think this article needs to cover a broader spectrum in order to be taken seriously. In response to the criticism about them not being punk, I believe that Armstrong stated in an interview somewhere that he no longer considers Green Day punk, but more straight rock. I also recall reading an article in a local music magazine that had quotes from the frontman of the sex pistols trashing Green Day severely as not being punk. If anyone could find these two things somewhere on the internet as citations, they would be great for this article, I believe. Satchfan 07:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
You bet MxPx is a Christian band and if you're bashing them because of that then you're predjudiced! Now referring to what Satchfan stated, that's good they consider themselves rock now. So why should it say punk on the page? And yes, Johnny Rotten of the first ever UK punk band, The Sex Pistols (formerly the Swankers), did bash Green Day on the radio for being a disgrace to punk as we know it. It's true what he says. Anyone who doesn't believe it is friggin crazy!
24.64.223.203 21:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy
But yeah, he's right there should be a criticism area. 72.226.87.148 14:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
They Used to be Punk. Now they're not. Simple. -- AmyRoxYourSox 10:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
We already have punk-rap. It's called Rapcore. (Rap+Hardcore Punk). 24.64.223.203 03:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy
Looking thru recent revisions, I see that there are lots of reverts. I am finding it very hard to understand what the heck is being reverted! If you revert vandalism (if you have not yet, please read Wikipedia:Vandalism because many users have a false understanding of it) then that is fine, but if you just revert an edit because you don't like that someone removed something you added in, you really need to talk about it on the talk page first because else people might think that it is vandalism. All I know is that I was very confused when I looked at the history. W IKIPEE DIO 15:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone changed the main picture on the article to one that was taken a long time ago (like in the 80's or early 90's). The band looks totally different now, meaning if we kept that new picture the information would be out of date. I reverted it and put the old picture back in. If you have a problem with this, please discuss your rationale below. Thanks, W IKIPEE DIO 16:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I delisted this article for the follwoing reasons:
The article is not so bad, actually, but doesn't meet good article criteria.-- Esprit15d 17:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
So in the opening sentence we list all the band members along with their positions (i.e. "Billie Joe Armstrong (lead vocal, guitar)" ) And then, we have it again in the sidebox. I think we should only keep the one in the sidebox and drop the ones on the main article so that we could have the opening sentence like "Green Day is a California band consisting of Billie Joe Armstrong, Mike Dirnt and Trè Cool". It would be less awkward. W IKIPEE DIO 01:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree.
Kokiri kid 07:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Should it be colored green? Just for kicks hehehe... -- Howard t he Du c k 05:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
That would be cool!
--HappyBoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.223.203 ( talk • contribs)
I have looked at the External Links on the article and have done searched some other sites and can't find anything to corroborate the statement that Green Day has sold over 60 million albums worldwide.-- Geoffrey Gibson 22:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
--Well, if you add up all the total sales from each album (excluding Bullet in a Bible), it actually adds up to 24,253,000 albums sold. A table proving this:
Album Name | Copies Sold |
---|---|
1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours | 55,000 units sold |
Kerplunk! | 680,000 units sold |
Dookie | Ten million units sold |
Insomniac | 3 million units sold |
nimrod. | 2.1 million units sold |
Warning: | One million units sold |
International Superhits! | 1.2 million units sold |
Shenanigans | 183,000 units sold |
American Idiot | 6.6 million units sold |
Bullet in a Bible | Unknown |
Total | 24,818,000 units sold |
All data is taken from each album's page. American Idiot's 6.6 million is counting the 1 million digital downloads. I couldn't find any album statistics for Bullet in a Bible. -- BloodLinedBandLead 01:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Dude, I think that's only of the USA.
24.64.223.203 21:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC) HappyBoy
Just look at the Green Day discography page. It says that they have in ecess of 53 million albums sold worldwide, exculding Bullet in a Bible. The statsistacs in the table above are just for the U.S. market only, not worldwide. Also, check out [1] for some partial info. on worldwide sales. -- Scrumshus 09:39, 26 June (UTC)
Didn't Dookie sell closer to 13mill, and American Idiot about the same? --
AmyRoxYourSox 10:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Where'd you get those facts? See [2] for the sales status of Dookie. American Idiot has sold about 12.5 million records worldwide, not including singles. But if you include digital sales, American Idiot has sold about 13.5 million units worldwide. Quite the amount, there. Scrumshus 00:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I've seen music videos from the album Bullet In A Bible for the PSP in stores like Best Buy and wI wanted to know if they have a UMD for American Idiot or if not, have plans for making one. - sasuke-kun27 14:42, 24 June 2006
American Idiot is an album and therefore has no visual content. Bullet in a Bible was a CD/DVD release. The UMD is of the DVD. --
AmyRoxYourSox 10:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Can it be said that Green Day is alternative? AOL Radio has their All Green Day staiton listed under "alternative". Should they be classified as such?
I went into JB Hi Fi and they had Green Day listed as Punk Rock/Emo/Hardcore -_- I think alternative sounds okay but the current genre sounds good too. It was debated on before.. and I dont want this to turn into the My Chemical Romance talk page. Kokiri kid 05:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
And anyway, its already Alternative Rock. 220.238.60.161 09:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Green Day can also be considered a skatepunk band due to many of their song being used in skating competitions and on skateboarding video games. Jeromealden 85 16:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
In a recent mass renaming of categories, we renamed nearly every category of Singles by artist into the appropriate subcategory of Songs by artist. We did not immediately rename the few categories in which there was a large number of both singles and non-singles separated, just to make sure there was no absolutely pressing reason that fans of those few acts (the Beach Boys, the Beatles, David Bowie, Green Day, Nirvana, Oasis, Prince, Radiohead) wanted the singles by artist category kept. So one last chance: Does anyone think that category:Green Day singles shouldn't be merged into category:Green Day songs, as all the others except the ones listed have? Similarly for category:Green Day B-sides, any objection there?-- Mike Selinker 08:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The line-up section of the article shows Jason White as an official member of Green Day. The article contradicts itself, with Jason White official in some places, and just a backing member in other places. -- Jordan Elder talk 17:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I've looked online and have never found anything about him being official. Even on the Jason White page. He has a quote saying something along the lines of the band being about the other 3. I can't find it anywhere that he is an official member. It doesn't say it anywhere. Orfen 18:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Before, the Line-up section of the Green Day article listed him as official. They changed it. -- 70.77.11.85 18:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Green Day is one of the most influencial punk bands ever. They have helped redefine and shape the punk scene. You cannot judge them unless you've listened to at least two different albums and/or posses a knowlege of the history they've created. If you have posted any criticizing comments I encourage (and even challenge) you to give them another chance. And if you have made a criticizing comment, only based on the information that the Wikipedia Encyclopedia has displayed, I am inclined to say that you have seriously misjudged one of the greatest bands that the world has ever known. ~Samantha
Influential punk? How about The Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, Blondie, Iggy and the Stooges, The MC5, Operation Ivy, The Buzzcocks, The Damned, New York Dolls, Subhumans, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Minor Threat, The Minutemen, etc...
Your comment here seems to serve no purpose but to forward your own opinion. And your opinion seems to be limited by exposure. Theplanetsaturn
Yeah, well said. Who have Green Day influenced? And who is Samatha to say that they are so good?
I love Green Day to pieces, but dissagree with the statement. I thing they have definately influenced the newer generation of pop punk bands (such as Blink 182 and Sum 41) but I don't think thats enough to be classified as 'one of the most influential punk bands ever.' --
AmyRoxYourSox 10:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't know where they came from, but some sound samples have taken place of the album covers I put next to each album. Shouldn't we have a sound sample section? Or maybe just group them together at the end? Scrumshus 00:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm the one who put in Skene! records as one of thier labels a few weeks ago... I dated it as 1987. I got a private amessage saying it was reverted because it was wrong, the PM said "Sweet Children EP came out in 1990".... I've come to correct it, as the SC EP came out in 1987, and it was Green Day... they were called Sweet Children in '86. So therefore the GD yearline should be corrected 1987-present, also.
I changed pop punk into pop punk revival...."Their success has influenced prominent pop punk revival bands like Sum 41, Good Charlotte and blink-182." Old pop punk is like The Buzzcocks and today's mainstream pop punk is something else...it's revival...
I think the idea to not include the groups genre in the opening paragraph is stupid. To open the article with "Green Day is a band" sounds like something a child would say. Satchfan 13:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Neither Oakland or Berkeley is accurate for listing of origin. In fact, as the band is composed (counting current and original members) of four people, point of origin is impossible to discern. The majority of members come from Rodeo. Kiffmeyer was from El Sobrante and I really have never known where Tre is from. Additionally, everyone involved in the group has moved several times. The first show was in San Pablo, but the band was known originally as a Berkeley band, due to it's Gilman presence. The most realistic listing for location is "East Bay" as this generalization the only thing that is truly accurate. Theplanetsaturn
Wth all these anonymous vandal edits its hard to get anything done with this article; most of our energy is spent fixing things. Overall the quality of the page has really plummeted in recent months. I suggest we place the page under semi-protection for a while. WesleyDodds 21:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Billie Joe says that Green Day is from Oakland.... However, in their earlier years, he always said Berkeley. Pinole may be the origin of the people, but the band really started out and gained popularity at 924 Gilman St. a club in west Berkeley near the Pyramid brewery, named after its address. They (probably) live in Oakland, so that seems legitimate though a little depressing, considering what Berkeley did for the band, but Pinole? hell no.
I don't know what it's like out in California, so I wouldn't know for sure, but maybe they just use Oakland since it's like a BIG city near where they're from. I would suggest putting Berkeley then, since it seems to have the most significance. Orfen 03:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I think California is way to general, East Bay helps narrow down the specific place where it is. Until we come to an agreement where that specific place is, I suggest East Bay then. Orfen 03:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, i'll use this 'section' for any propositions on improoving the article. Lokking at the Red Hot Chili Peppers page, their album organizationi is better. I think we shoud divide the current 'album by album' section into 1:Formation and Lookout years (1989-1992) 2:Reprise and the 90s (1993-1999) and 3:The new millenium (2000-present) and oppositions or disagreements? Also, shouldn't there be a 'trivia' section? Scrumshus 02:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Even if those are the albums colors it a little to close to be a coincidence this isnt even the best picture to show but look
http://www.brokenviolence.de/live/bilder/icarus30202.jpg http://www.warnermusic.com.tw/artists/gallery/318/03.jpg -- Ninandnirvana 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
For the time being I have set the location as just being California and left HTML notes there that it should not be changed until discussed here since there is a constantly ongoing edit war over their location. Pegasus1138 Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the discography back to the standard links format since turning it into a gallery seems to be both unecessary and also has a large number of images which slow page load time noticeably. Pegasus1138 Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
A criticism section has recently popped up. I'm not sure if I like the idea of a criticism section. I think more should be in there before making a criticism section besides the fact that people think Green Day is sellouts because of American Idiot. Orfen 06:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
That seems a lot more appropriate. Spread out and not just a big section. Orfen 03:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
If we leave the section, more valid criticism may be added. If we remove it, we may discourage further legitimate criticism. Theplanetsaturn
Maybe add an html note or something? I just feel that the criticism now seems like a reason to voice some opinions and just show how people don't like the new album. I think you can fit that into the New Millenium section nicely. If there was more in the section I would be all for the criticism section, but right now I think it can be put into the article without sacrificing the message and it still being able to flow. Orfen 05:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
There really isn't enough criticism to make a whole article (because we can't even make a whole section). I just suggest you let it go Gold Stur. You've stated your opinion. The criticism section is there, you should be happy. And if you want your own article for criticism, how about trying to expand the section first. If you only have two sentences in your Criticism article then it will probably be deleted pretty quickly. Orfen 03:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Here's a pretty thorough listing of articles about Green Day: [4]. Virtually all of them refer to Green Day as a punk rock band. I also must mention that Michael Azerrad's book Our Band Could Be Your Life, about bands of the underground punk/alternative scene of the 1980s including Black Flag, Minor Threat, the Minutemen, and Husker Du, refers to Green Day in the afterword discussing the underground after Nirvana's breakthrough in a sentence that states "Berkeley's Lookout Records prospered as well; Green Day, one of their leading bands, brought the sounds of early English punk rock to the masses twenty-five years after the fact".(pg. 496) If the argument is that Green Day doesn't play punk rock, then mass consenus refutes that point. Anyone can argue against anything, after all. People may argue that Green Day isn't "punk" (and this article can certainly mention that), but it's widely accepted that they are, particularly by people knowledgable about the history, sound, principles, and aesthetics of the music genre. There's a reason comparisons to the Ramones, The Clash, The Jam, Buzzcocks, and Husker Du come up in describing the band's music. Green Day is a punk rock band, end of story. WesleyDodds 09:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok.... I'm one of the people who has taken part in this debate as to where Green Day is from... I've been insisting that Berkeley be listed, but I think the suggestion of East Bay is good enough. However, I disagree that people refer to South Bay/East Bay/North Bay/San Francisco..... I've lived there, in the East Bay, in Berkeley, and at least Berkeleyans/Berkeleyites say East Bay/South Bay/Marin or Napa depending on which direction (for North Bay)/The City. People refer to SF as the city, just as New Yorkers refer to Manhattan as The City.
Okay, if anyone listens to 'Minority' on bullet in a bible, during the instrumental parts, billi joe says to the crowd: "We're Green Day from Oaklnad california and I just wanna say that england is now the officila home of Green Day from now on." that last part is just a crowd-pleaser, but according to him, Green Day is from Oakland. And I think he would know. Scrumshus
I agree with putting in East Bay as the origin, however, I have always hear Billie say Oakland, California. It sort of sounds a little better too... I just can't hear them saying "we're Green Day from East Bay, California" or something. But I've always heard Oakland from Billie, but I suggest we put East Bay as the origin to not keep the loacation so general. Orfen 02:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
"East Bay, California" makes it sound like one city in itself, and being from San Francisco sounds really akward. Is some form of "Bay Area" too vague? Does it have to be in [city], [State] form?--
71.198.65.8 21:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Dedan
Shouldn't we start the article by saying Greenday are a rock trio, because by saying rock, we are not totally specifying the genre. DavidJJJ 08:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Under the backing members sub-section, I added a paragraph about Jason White and his role in the band. I thought it was appropriate as he has a long history with the band and helped them out in studio and concert. There was almost no mention of him previously, and it fits in well with the article. Scrumshus 02:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Although, What you wrote about his involvement with Pinhead Gunpowder was completely wrong. It's since been corrected. 74.118.16.92 08:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Under the 'Other Projects' section, shoulnd't there be a paragraph about Green Day's mysterious stolen album Cigarettes and Valentines?. I mean, it was never released, so I guess it classifies as an 'other project', and we could work in rumors about the band re-doing the album after securing thier popularity with American Idiot. Any oppositions or commetns? Scrumshus 02:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
It's been mentioned before in the New Millenium section, and they have stated they will not be redoing the album. I don't feel Cigarattes and Valentines is not as important as the American Idiot movie or the Network. Sure, it was a stolen album, but all artists have dropped ideas and have moved on. It's just a discarded idea now. Besides, there isn't much more to be said, and I don't feel it needs it's own section, it flows nicely where it is. Orfen 03:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I was searching some outdated wikipedia mirror sites when I found one the mirrored the article back when it was a Good Article. [5] I looked thru and saw it had an awards section, which means that this article used to have an awards section. I was thinking of putting it up. Here's what I came up with:
5th annual Kerrang! Rock Awards
California Music Awards
8th annual Kerrang! Rock Awards
12th annual Kerrang! Rock Awards
MuchMusic Video Awards
Nickelodeon's Kids Choice Awards
Should we add it to the article? It would be helpful if we wanted to make it a Good Article again. Scrumshus 03:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Oky, I re-wrote the first paragraph in Green Day's "History" section, but it was reverted. I'm re-re-writing it, because right now, the section is choppy and the dates are out of place. Here's my rewrite:
-At the age of twelve, Tré Cool became a member of the band The Lookouts. Their album "One Planet One People," released in 1986, attracted some attention, and Tré began performing at an early age at the Berkeley, California punk-rock all-ages venue 924 Gilman Street. In 1986, Billie Joe Armstrong (aged 14) and Mike Dirnt (also aged 14) formed Sweet Children, with Armstrong on lead vocals and guitar and Dirnt on bass and backing vocals. Despite rumor to the contrary, John Kiffmeyer (also known as Al Sobrante) was not a part of this endeavor. Their first show was on October 17, 1988, at Rod's Hickory Pit in Vallejo, California where Armstrong's mother was working.
In 1989, Kiffmeyer's band Isocracy broke up. Kiffmeyer sought out Armstrong and Dirnt to form Sweet Children , while other members went on to for Samiam. Laurence Livermore, who played guitar for the Lookouts, also ran the Berkeley independent label Lookout! Records, and immediately offered Sweet Children a deal. The band, he said, played like " The Beatles at Shea Stadium" [1] The first Sweet Children show was played at Contra Costa College in San Pablo where Kiffmeyer attended as a journalism student. In early 1989 they recorded their first EP, "1,000 Hours," and then decided, weeks before the EP release, to change their name to Green Day, slang in the San Francisco area for a day spent smoking marijuana. The band were joint-smokers since puberty and even Billie Joe was supplying the high school; he was nicknamed "Two Dollar Bill". It is widely reported that when the boys went to their high school principal to say that they were dropping out to become a full-time band the principal observed that "would be a green day in hell" before they amounted to anything. The record came out, with the cover changed at the last minute to reflect the new name, in April 1989.
In 1990, I.R.S. Records attempted to recruit Green Day, but the band made it clear that they were loyal to Lookout! Records and that I.R.S. was a "cheesy" and "washed up" label [2]. In mid-1990, shortly after the band's first tour, John Kiffmeyer left the band to attend college in Arcata, California. Green Day released two more EPs that year: Slappy, Sweet Children, the latter of which included some older songs for the Minneapolis, Minnesota indie label Skene! Records, as well as what was planned as thier debut album on Lookout!, 39/Smooth. Instead, in 1991, 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours the band's first full-length album, was released. The album fused 39/Smooth as well as the tracks from Slappy and 1,000 Hours, as well as combining the title that would seem nonsensical if one had not heard of Green Day's early EP releases. By this time the Lookouts had become mostly inactive, and Tré Cool, now 17 and living in Berkeley, began playing with Green Day, after Armstrong and Dirnt were introduced to his drumming via Livermore's reference, and the fact that Kiffmeyer recomended Cool, who was his drumming intsructor.
In January 1991, Green Day wrote and recorded their second album, Kerplunk!, the first featuring Tré Cool on drums, releasing it on Lookout! Records in 1992. Touring through 1992 and 1993,their tour even expanded to Europe, surprising for an album released on an independent label. The album, quoted as Tré "really, really" liking it, sold about 650,000 units in the U.S., which was considered quite a large amount for the independent punk scene in 1992. It eventually topped 2 million albums sold worldwide. The booklet of Kerplunk! features a completely fictional 'diary entry' by the fictional Laurie L. entitled "My Adventure with Green Day". It can be found in its entireity here. The album featured fan favorites such as 2000 Light Years Away, and an early version of Green Day's upcoming hit-single Welcome to Paradise. Dominated Love Slave was the album's sixth track, an infamously sported Tré Cool on vocals, as well as the music being entirely written by himself, unusual for a Green Day song.-
It flows much beter than the current section. Is it okay if I work this section in instad of the current one? It has all of the information + more. It's my current goal to make Green Day into a Good Article and this step is necessary. Scrumshus 16:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll take a stab at rewriting/fixing the article this weekend, once I get some proper sources. WesleyDodds 19:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
If there is one problem with this article it is the photos. THe only photos aer album covers. I put in an early shot of the band to go along with 'Formation and Lookout Years'. I think we should place a photo of each band members face much like they do in The Beatles (which is a featured article) and maybe throw in like one or two album covers. PLus, I put the album covers in the Discograpy section, so we can totally replaces them with images of the band or concert photos, or posters or something. Maybe magazine covers. I think this srticle used to have magazine covers. I'll try to find some. There are simply too much photos. It distracts the article from the actual content. I'm replacing some and getting rid of some. Scrumshus 19:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I was reading why Green Day's featured article nomination failed. A suggestion was "Most of the article is in the 'history' section. Maybe add a 'Musical Style' or 'Lyrics' section." So I did. I also inmprted som enew song samples, because there weren't enough. I added Good Riddance, Warning, Prosthetic Head, minority, and android. Edit it all you want, but don't delete it. I worked VERY hard on it. Any suggestions to improve it are welcome. I am also going to add a "See also" section, beacuse virtually every other article has it and this one doesn't. Scrumshus 23:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I think we should include some citations for the criticism, because then it could be considered original research. Most of the criticism doesn't seem like it's based on fact though, but is based more on opinion. Orfen 18:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I was browsing Wikipedia when I came Just Friends (2005 film) WTF? Not only have I never heard of "just Friends" This is just the green day page with a reworked first sentence and some faulty links! Talk about your vandalsim! I SERIOUSLY think an admin should get down here and delete that piece of plagurised crap. NOW! Scrumshus 01:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Can someone cite those sales figures in the first paragraph? I have no idea where those numbers come from, and it's essential that we cite them. WesleyDodds 12:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I think they got it from the Green Day Discovergraphy page. It states the same info. there with a source I believe. Orfen 05:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
what album is closing time on? cause i cant find it
Closing Time is by Semisonic not Green Day, the album is called feeling strangely fine BradK 10:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
WOW! According to this link: [10] Metatraffic reports that Green Day sold almost 8 million copies of American Idiot in the US alone! Time for the riaa to catch-up... Scrumshus 17:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
While it's been established (I refer here to the wikipage for Billie Joe Armstrong) that the name Green Day signified among the bandmembers a day which they spent completely stoned on cannabis, no reference has ever been made in any wikipage of which I am aware as to the origin of the expression Green Day itself.
This precludes, as so often the case, a United States readership with US-specific knowledge - in this case, that a day the President spends outside on the White House lawn or "green", generally receiving guests and/or the media, is called a green day.
-- Nuttyskin 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe they mentioned the pot reference on their Behind the Music episode. WesleyDodds 05:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Look, if this artice is gonna have a criticism section, we need some ACTUAL criticism with sources, not some sentence that appears to be original research. I'll look for sources, but I'm deleting the section until someone posts a great resource with someone actually critisizing Green Day, okay? Scrumshus 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
A SPIN magazine article from 1995 that you can find online details criticism of selling out, and goes into detail about the whole "86" meaning. Also, there's an interview clip I've seen a couple of times on Vh1 with Sonic Youth where Lee Ranaldo says "No punk band has ever had a platinum record. Green Day is not a punk band" (which is a completely ridiculous comment, but it counts as criticism). Of course I'm of the mind that such criticism should be worked into the appropriate areas of the prose, and not in a separate section. WesleyDodds 05:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I was reading the Black Flag (band) article, which is a Good Article, and I realized that the lead for this article doesn't meet the criteria if we want to make this o Good or Featured Article. Specifically:
Green Day is an American musical trio from California, consisting of Billie Joe Armstrong (guitar, lead vocals), Mike Dirnt (bass guitar, backing vocals) and Tré Cool (drums, backing vocals). The band's sound has evolved from thier early, stripped-down punk rock to include genres such as harcore punk, hard rock, (best indentified on thier on their muscialy varied 5th nimrod.) mainstream rock, ska, and a cross-genre that some described as "punk folk", [3]while mainly sticking to thier formula of punk pop which gained them worldwide recognition. The music and style of the band contributed signifgantly to the growing esteem on alterntaive rock and helped to define the muisc of the 1990s.
Green Day is widely credited, along with fellow California bands The Offspring and Rancid, with reviving mainstream interest in and popularizing punk rock in the United States during the mid 1990s. [4] [5] Thier success has strongly inspired several prominent punk-pop bands such as Good Charlotte, blink-182, and Sum 41. [5] Good Charlotte's Joel Madden has stated "Dookie changed my life. It made me want to start Good Charlotte. ... Right after that record came out, we were like, 'We have to start a band in our garage right now and play shows ... like Green Day." [5]
Green Day was and is still one of the best-selling popular musical acts of the 90s and 2000s. In the U.S. alone, they sold 25 million albums and had two Top Ten singles, one of them being a Top 5 single. This commercial success was repeated in many other countries worldwide, and the band has sold about 55 million albums worldwide, making them the biggest punk band of all time. [6] The band is no stranger to the Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks, in which they are second to only the Red Hot Chili Peppers for most number ones, currently with eight. They are also second the to the Chili Peppers in that they have 39 total weeks at number one on that chart, with the Chili Peppers at 72. Green Day currently has three Grammy Awards under thier belt for Alternative Album for thier breakthrough major-label debut Dookie, Grammy Award for Best Rock Album for American Idiot, and the coveted Record of the Year for Boulevard of Broken Dreams, as well as winning many industry and fan-based awards.
Edit this intro all you want, it is just an idea of what a good or featured lead should look like. Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
I'm not too keen on the the whole bit about genres in the first paragraph. It's really unnecessary for an introduction (and potentially confusing), and hard to cite. I actually like the lead section as it is now. The Good Charolette quote works well, though. WesleyDodds 05:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't we include a section about Green Day's live performances? Maybe get a posititve concert review online and use it as a reference, and write about live staples and what generally happens? We could go much farther into the Milton Keyes concert that was filmed for Bullet in a Bible. It couldn't hurt to use it to make this article into a Good Article. Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
I changed the route of "East Bay" in the origin to go directly to the East Bay page, instead of the disambiguation. Stonesour025 20:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure they're from Easy Bay? During "Minority" on Bullet in a Bible he says hey're from Oakland. BNLfan53 16:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Oakland is part of the East Bay area. Besides, both Billie and Mike grew up in Rodeo (which is also part of the East Bay area). Theplanetsaturn
I haven't even read the entire article, but honestly, it was reading pretty well so far. But there is no way this article can be promoted, because it has massive image issues.
Great work so far, but more work needed.-- Esprit15d 13:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I worked on the Mike Dirnt photo, and gave Tre Cool's photo a fair use rationale. We're on our way! Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
Apparently, some people think that Green Day has sold 36 million albums in the US and 81 million albums worldwide, while linking their reference to my original reference that stated they had sold 50 miilion. Unlesss you guys actually references to these statistics, GD's sales is 26 million in the US, 56.5 worldwide, and 60 million worldwide if digital sales are counted. Okay? Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
It would seem that a fan of the group ( Theplanetsaturn ( talk · contribs) is attempting to turn the criticism section into a John Lydon & Steve Diggle criticism section.
Here he ads a POV comment before a quote Lydon made about the band.
First of all; PiL are a postpunk act, second, who are you to say Lydon is basing his opinions on their appearance alone, and that he has a limited personal knowledge of their background?... that is not fact, that is clearly your POV it has no place in an encyclopedia article.
In regards to another quote; Theplanetsaturn ( talk · contribs) calls Steve Diggle of the Buzzcocks "an ignorant" [17] and ads a snide comment before his quote on his heroes; "Steve Diggle attempts to define them, but unfortunately does not substantiate his opinion"... again, clear POV, leave it up to the reader to decide whether Diggle's opinion on your favourite band is substantial or not. I attempted to message this user about it, but no reply and he persists. - Deathrocker 06:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
PiL are a postpunk band, read their article on them and postpunk. You called Diggle "ignorant" in the diff provided above. And regarding Lydon's quote, you said exactly that ;
You brought that into the article, nobody else.. that is your POV edit. Diggle is one of Green Day's biggest influences, and a prominent person in the original punk movement... his comment on the band is relevant. You have in no way shape or form proved that the tripe which you added (as shown above) was anything but POV bias against the artists comments. Also the Iggy Pop insinuation you keep adding, is irrelevant, unless you can find a direct quote from Iggy Pop himself stating an opinion that he thinks the band are "punk", then feel free to add it, instead of inventing something that doesn't exist. Not everybody who he has colaborated with plays punk music, as I attempted to show you earlier using David Bowie as an example.
And as for the "fanboy" claim; your edits on Wikipedia seem to revolve around removing anything a hardcore Green Day fan wouldn't like to read about the band [18]... a while ago you even attempted to blank Lydon and Diggle's quote entirely, when an another user added it [19] it approaches a hagiography attempt. - Deathrocker
I've contested it, and shown how your edits are blatantly POV and you even leveled insults at one of the commenting artists in an edit summary, as well as factual inacuracies on what PiL are. It clearly doesn't stand up to any policies regarding encyclopedic edits or the official NPOV policy on your part.
"my fairly neutral statements", be serious please. - Deathrocker 08:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Punk is a form of music. You seem unable to comprehend this, Lydon comments on whether or not a band (you know, people who play music) are punk, thus he is commenting on the form of music they play.
If you continue to add your extreme fan slanted POV bias before the quotes, then an extreme anti-Green Day POV will be needed with it to even it out... if you are not mature enough to leave it on an even NPOV keel where the comments are left to stand for themselves. - Deathrocker 18:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Lydon was refering to a musical band and commented on the genre in his first quote "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk"... PUNK is a form of music. If he said "Don't try to tell me Billie Joe and Mike Dirnt belong to the punk subculture", then you may have an argument, but that isn't what he said... you are adding your own bias spin on it.
He feels that the band are trying to immitate what punk rock music was, and even the themes in the songs (in this case, millionairs Green Day, complaining about the American government), when he is commenting on the image later in the second quote; you have to understand that bands like the Pistols and Lydon in particular wrapped themselves in basically garbage and DIY'd second hand clothing; its not like the Green Day's and Good Charlotte's where they have an all-star team of fashion gurus to advise them on expensive clothing and stage wear from Hot Topic and the like. - Deathrocker 18:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently bought a book compiling Guitar World articles about alternative and punk rock. So there's interviews with the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Clash, Black Flag, Green Day, and so forth. A couple of items of note: int the Sex Pistols interview (from 1996, during their reunion tour) Rotten and Jones briefly discuss Green Day. Jones mentions he thinks Billie Joe Armstrong is a funny guy, but both Pistols concur that they find Green Day "poppy". Green Day (from a 1996 interview as well) on the other hand completely insults people like Rotten and Henry Rollins for complaining about their success. They also mention that the Sex Pistols asked them to open their reunion tour, which they said no to. WesleyDodds 01:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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Why is there no proper criticism? Seems like the article was made by a bunch of you weirdo fans who dont go outside and go around insulting people.
~Neo Exelor
This band isnt good its songs are hurtful like American Idiot, All American Rejects are better < Heh. You silly emo Republicans.
You do know that they are American, therefore they were insulting themselves too. And second, dont take the song seriously, no one else does.
I'm very disappointed because you people are going with this band. I don't care if they've sold 10 billion records worldwide! They call themselves something that they're not! PUNK!!! You people are nuts because you're thinking this. A REAL punk band is Sex Pistols, Clash or MxPx. You get it right or don't speak at all! They're freaking POWERPOP!!!!!
--HappyBoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.223.203 ( talk • contribs) MxPx? Yeah, that's pretty damn punk alright...
I must agree that this article needs a criticism section. Although I love Green Day to pieces, even more so after the release of American Idiot, which I think is the greatest mainstream rock album of our time, and as a fan I think this article needs to cover a broader spectrum in order to be taken seriously. In response to the criticism about them not being punk, I believe that Armstrong stated in an interview somewhere that he no longer considers Green Day punk, but more straight rock. I also recall reading an article in a local music magazine that had quotes from the frontman of the sex pistols trashing Green Day severely as not being punk. If anyone could find these two things somewhere on the internet as citations, they would be great for this article, I believe. Satchfan 07:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
You bet MxPx is a Christian band and if you're bashing them because of that then you're predjudiced! Now referring to what Satchfan stated, that's good they consider themselves rock now. So why should it say punk on the page? And yes, Johnny Rotten of the first ever UK punk band, The Sex Pistols (formerly the Swankers), did bash Green Day on the radio for being a disgrace to punk as we know it. It's true what he says. Anyone who doesn't believe it is friggin crazy!
24.64.223.203 21:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy
But yeah, he's right there should be a criticism area. 72.226.87.148 14:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
They Used to be Punk. Now they're not. Simple. -- AmyRoxYourSox 10:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
We already have punk-rap. It's called Rapcore. (Rap+Hardcore Punk). 24.64.223.203 03:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)HappyBoy
Looking thru recent revisions, I see that there are lots of reverts. I am finding it very hard to understand what the heck is being reverted! If you revert vandalism (if you have not yet, please read Wikipedia:Vandalism because many users have a false understanding of it) then that is fine, but if you just revert an edit because you don't like that someone removed something you added in, you really need to talk about it on the talk page first because else people might think that it is vandalism. All I know is that I was very confused when I looked at the history. W IKIPEE DIO 15:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone changed the main picture on the article to one that was taken a long time ago (like in the 80's or early 90's). The band looks totally different now, meaning if we kept that new picture the information would be out of date. I reverted it and put the old picture back in. If you have a problem with this, please discuss your rationale below. Thanks, W IKIPEE DIO 16:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I delisted this article for the follwoing reasons:
The article is not so bad, actually, but doesn't meet good article criteria.-- Esprit15d 17:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
So in the opening sentence we list all the band members along with their positions (i.e. "Billie Joe Armstrong (lead vocal, guitar)" ) And then, we have it again in the sidebox. I think we should only keep the one in the sidebox and drop the ones on the main article so that we could have the opening sentence like "Green Day is a California band consisting of Billie Joe Armstrong, Mike Dirnt and Trè Cool". It would be less awkward. W IKIPEE DIO 01:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree.
Kokiri kid 07:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Should it be colored green? Just for kicks hehehe... -- Howard t he Du c k 05:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
That would be cool!
--HappyBoy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.64.223.203 ( talk • contribs)
I have looked at the External Links on the article and have done searched some other sites and can't find anything to corroborate the statement that Green Day has sold over 60 million albums worldwide.-- Geoffrey Gibson 22:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
--Well, if you add up all the total sales from each album (excluding Bullet in a Bible), it actually adds up to 24,253,000 albums sold. A table proving this:
Album Name | Copies Sold |
---|---|
1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours | 55,000 units sold |
Kerplunk! | 680,000 units sold |
Dookie | Ten million units sold |
Insomniac | 3 million units sold |
nimrod. | 2.1 million units sold |
Warning: | One million units sold |
International Superhits! | 1.2 million units sold |
Shenanigans | 183,000 units sold |
American Idiot | 6.6 million units sold |
Bullet in a Bible | Unknown |
Total | 24,818,000 units sold |
All data is taken from each album's page. American Idiot's 6.6 million is counting the 1 million digital downloads. I couldn't find any album statistics for Bullet in a Bible. -- BloodLinedBandLead 01:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Dude, I think that's only of the USA.
24.64.223.203 21:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC) HappyBoy
Just look at the Green Day discography page. It says that they have in ecess of 53 million albums sold worldwide, exculding Bullet in a Bible. The statsistacs in the table above are just for the U.S. market only, not worldwide. Also, check out [1] for some partial info. on worldwide sales. -- Scrumshus 09:39, 26 June (UTC)
Didn't Dookie sell closer to 13mill, and American Idiot about the same? --
AmyRoxYourSox 10:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Where'd you get those facts? See [2] for the sales status of Dookie. American Idiot has sold about 12.5 million records worldwide, not including singles. But if you include digital sales, American Idiot has sold about 13.5 million units worldwide. Quite the amount, there. Scrumshus 00:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I've seen music videos from the album Bullet In A Bible for the PSP in stores like Best Buy and wI wanted to know if they have a UMD for American Idiot or if not, have plans for making one. - sasuke-kun27 14:42, 24 June 2006
American Idiot is an album and therefore has no visual content. Bullet in a Bible was a CD/DVD release. The UMD is of the DVD. --
AmyRoxYourSox 10:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Can it be said that Green Day is alternative? AOL Radio has their All Green Day staiton listed under "alternative". Should they be classified as such?
I went into JB Hi Fi and they had Green Day listed as Punk Rock/Emo/Hardcore -_- I think alternative sounds okay but the current genre sounds good too. It was debated on before.. and I dont want this to turn into the My Chemical Romance talk page. Kokiri kid 05:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
And anyway, its already Alternative Rock. 220.238.60.161 09:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Green Day can also be considered a skatepunk band due to many of their song being used in skating competitions and on skateboarding video games. Jeromealden 85 16:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
In a recent mass renaming of categories, we renamed nearly every category of Singles by artist into the appropriate subcategory of Songs by artist. We did not immediately rename the few categories in which there was a large number of both singles and non-singles separated, just to make sure there was no absolutely pressing reason that fans of those few acts (the Beach Boys, the Beatles, David Bowie, Green Day, Nirvana, Oasis, Prince, Radiohead) wanted the singles by artist category kept. So one last chance: Does anyone think that category:Green Day singles shouldn't be merged into category:Green Day songs, as all the others except the ones listed have? Similarly for category:Green Day B-sides, any objection there?-- Mike Selinker 08:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The line-up section of the article shows Jason White as an official member of Green Day. The article contradicts itself, with Jason White official in some places, and just a backing member in other places. -- Jordan Elder talk 17:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I've looked online and have never found anything about him being official. Even on the Jason White page. He has a quote saying something along the lines of the band being about the other 3. I can't find it anywhere that he is an official member. It doesn't say it anywhere. Orfen 18:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Before, the Line-up section of the Green Day article listed him as official. They changed it. -- 70.77.11.85 18:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Green Day is one of the most influencial punk bands ever. They have helped redefine and shape the punk scene. You cannot judge them unless you've listened to at least two different albums and/or posses a knowlege of the history they've created. If you have posted any criticizing comments I encourage (and even challenge) you to give them another chance. And if you have made a criticizing comment, only based on the information that the Wikipedia Encyclopedia has displayed, I am inclined to say that you have seriously misjudged one of the greatest bands that the world has ever known. ~Samantha
Influential punk? How about The Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Clash, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, Blondie, Iggy and the Stooges, The MC5, Operation Ivy, The Buzzcocks, The Damned, New York Dolls, Subhumans, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Minor Threat, The Minutemen, etc...
Your comment here seems to serve no purpose but to forward your own opinion. And your opinion seems to be limited by exposure. Theplanetsaturn
Yeah, well said. Who have Green Day influenced? And who is Samatha to say that they are so good?
I love Green Day to pieces, but dissagree with the statement. I thing they have definately influenced the newer generation of pop punk bands (such as Blink 182 and Sum 41) but I don't think thats enough to be classified as 'one of the most influential punk bands ever.' --
AmyRoxYourSox 10:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't know where they came from, but some sound samples have taken place of the album covers I put next to each album. Shouldn't we have a sound sample section? Or maybe just group them together at the end? Scrumshus 00:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm the one who put in Skene! records as one of thier labels a few weeks ago... I dated it as 1987. I got a private amessage saying it was reverted because it was wrong, the PM said "Sweet Children EP came out in 1990".... I've come to correct it, as the SC EP came out in 1987, and it was Green Day... they were called Sweet Children in '86. So therefore the GD yearline should be corrected 1987-present, also.
I changed pop punk into pop punk revival...."Their success has influenced prominent pop punk revival bands like Sum 41, Good Charlotte and blink-182." Old pop punk is like The Buzzcocks and today's mainstream pop punk is something else...it's revival...
I think the idea to not include the groups genre in the opening paragraph is stupid. To open the article with "Green Day is a band" sounds like something a child would say. Satchfan 13:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Neither Oakland or Berkeley is accurate for listing of origin. In fact, as the band is composed (counting current and original members) of four people, point of origin is impossible to discern. The majority of members come from Rodeo. Kiffmeyer was from El Sobrante and I really have never known where Tre is from. Additionally, everyone involved in the group has moved several times. The first show was in San Pablo, but the band was known originally as a Berkeley band, due to it's Gilman presence. The most realistic listing for location is "East Bay" as this generalization the only thing that is truly accurate. Theplanetsaturn
Wth all these anonymous vandal edits its hard to get anything done with this article; most of our energy is spent fixing things. Overall the quality of the page has really plummeted in recent months. I suggest we place the page under semi-protection for a while. WesleyDodds 21:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Billie Joe says that Green Day is from Oakland.... However, in their earlier years, he always said Berkeley. Pinole may be the origin of the people, but the band really started out and gained popularity at 924 Gilman St. a club in west Berkeley near the Pyramid brewery, named after its address. They (probably) live in Oakland, so that seems legitimate though a little depressing, considering what Berkeley did for the band, but Pinole? hell no.
I don't know what it's like out in California, so I wouldn't know for sure, but maybe they just use Oakland since it's like a BIG city near where they're from. I would suggest putting Berkeley then, since it seems to have the most significance. Orfen 03:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I think California is way to general, East Bay helps narrow down the specific place where it is. Until we come to an agreement where that specific place is, I suggest East Bay then. Orfen 03:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, i'll use this 'section' for any propositions on improoving the article. Lokking at the Red Hot Chili Peppers page, their album organizationi is better. I think we shoud divide the current 'album by album' section into 1:Formation and Lookout years (1989-1992) 2:Reprise and the 90s (1993-1999) and 3:The new millenium (2000-present) and oppositions or disagreements? Also, shouldn't there be a 'trivia' section? Scrumshus 02:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Even if those are the albums colors it a little to close to be a coincidence this isnt even the best picture to show but look
http://www.brokenviolence.de/live/bilder/icarus30202.jpg http://www.warnermusic.com.tw/artists/gallery/318/03.jpg -- Ninandnirvana 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
For the time being I have set the location as just being California and left HTML notes there that it should not be changed until discussed here since there is a constantly ongoing edit war over their location. Pegasus1138 Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the discography back to the standard links format since turning it into a gallery seems to be both unecessary and also has a large number of images which slow page load time noticeably. Pegasus1138 Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
A criticism section has recently popped up. I'm not sure if I like the idea of a criticism section. I think more should be in there before making a criticism section besides the fact that people think Green Day is sellouts because of American Idiot. Orfen 06:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
That seems a lot more appropriate. Spread out and not just a big section. Orfen 03:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
If we leave the section, more valid criticism may be added. If we remove it, we may discourage further legitimate criticism. Theplanetsaturn
Maybe add an html note or something? I just feel that the criticism now seems like a reason to voice some opinions and just show how people don't like the new album. I think you can fit that into the New Millenium section nicely. If there was more in the section I would be all for the criticism section, but right now I think it can be put into the article without sacrificing the message and it still being able to flow. Orfen 05:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
There really isn't enough criticism to make a whole article (because we can't even make a whole section). I just suggest you let it go Gold Stur. You've stated your opinion. The criticism section is there, you should be happy. And if you want your own article for criticism, how about trying to expand the section first. If you only have two sentences in your Criticism article then it will probably be deleted pretty quickly. Orfen 03:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Here's a pretty thorough listing of articles about Green Day: [4]. Virtually all of them refer to Green Day as a punk rock band. I also must mention that Michael Azerrad's book Our Band Could Be Your Life, about bands of the underground punk/alternative scene of the 1980s including Black Flag, Minor Threat, the Minutemen, and Husker Du, refers to Green Day in the afterword discussing the underground after Nirvana's breakthrough in a sentence that states "Berkeley's Lookout Records prospered as well; Green Day, one of their leading bands, brought the sounds of early English punk rock to the masses twenty-five years after the fact".(pg. 496) If the argument is that Green Day doesn't play punk rock, then mass consenus refutes that point. Anyone can argue against anything, after all. People may argue that Green Day isn't "punk" (and this article can certainly mention that), but it's widely accepted that they are, particularly by people knowledgable about the history, sound, principles, and aesthetics of the music genre. There's a reason comparisons to the Ramones, The Clash, The Jam, Buzzcocks, and Husker Du come up in describing the band's music. Green Day is a punk rock band, end of story. WesleyDodds 09:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok.... I'm one of the people who has taken part in this debate as to where Green Day is from... I've been insisting that Berkeley be listed, but I think the suggestion of East Bay is good enough. However, I disagree that people refer to South Bay/East Bay/North Bay/San Francisco..... I've lived there, in the East Bay, in Berkeley, and at least Berkeleyans/Berkeleyites say East Bay/South Bay/Marin or Napa depending on which direction (for North Bay)/The City. People refer to SF as the city, just as New Yorkers refer to Manhattan as The City.
Okay, if anyone listens to 'Minority' on bullet in a bible, during the instrumental parts, billi joe says to the crowd: "We're Green Day from Oaklnad california and I just wanna say that england is now the officila home of Green Day from now on." that last part is just a crowd-pleaser, but according to him, Green Day is from Oakland. And I think he would know. Scrumshus
I agree with putting in East Bay as the origin, however, I have always hear Billie say Oakland, California. It sort of sounds a little better too... I just can't hear them saying "we're Green Day from East Bay, California" or something. But I've always heard Oakland from Billie, but I suggest we put East Bay as the origin to not keep the loacation so general. Orfen 02:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
"East Bay, California" makes it sound like one city in itself, and being from San Francisco sounds really akward. Is some form of "Bay Area" too vague? Does it have to be in [city], [State] form?--
71.198.65.8 21:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)Dedan
Shouldn't we start the article by saying Greenday are a rock trio, because by saying rock, we are not totally specifying the genre. DavidJJJ 08:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Under the backing members sub-section, I added a paragraph about Jason White and his role in the band. I thought it was appropriate as he has a long history with the band and helped them out in studio and concert. There was almost no mention of him previously, and it fits in well with the article. Scrumshus 02:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Although, What you wrote about his involvement with Pinhead Gunpowder was completely wrong. It's since been corrected. 74.118.16.92 08:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Under the 'Other Projects' section, shoulnd't there be a paragraph about Green Day's mysterious stolen album Cigarettes and Valentines?. I mean, it was never released, so I guess it classifies as an 'other project', and we could work in rumors about the band re-doing the album after securing thier popularity with American Idiot. Any oppositions or commetns? Scrumshus 02:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
It's been mentioned before in the New Millenium section, and they have stated they will not be redoing the album. I don't feel Cigarattes and Valentines is not as important as the American Idiot movie or the Network. Sure, it was a stolen album, but all artists have dropped ideas and have moved on. It's just a discarded idea now. Besides, there isn't much more to be said, and I don't feel it needs it's own section, it flows nicely where it is. Orfen 03:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I was searching some outdated wikipedia mirror sites when I found one the mirrored the article back when it was a Good Article. [5] I looked thru and saw it had an awards section, which means that this article used to have an awards section. I was thinking of putting it up. Here's what I came up with:
5th annual Kerrang! Rock Awards
California Music Awards
8th annual Kerrang! Rock Awards
12th annual Kerrang! Rock Awards
MuchMusic Video Awards
Nickelodeon's Kids Choice Awards
Should we add it to the article? It would be helpful if we wanted to make it a Good Article again. Scrumshus 03:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Oky, I re-wrote the first paragraph in Green Day's "History" section, but it was reverted. I'm re-re-writing it, because right now, the section is choppy and the dates are out of place. Here's my rewrite:
-At the age of twelve, Tré Cool became a member of the band The Lookouts. Their album "One Planet One People," released in 1986, attracted some attention, and Tré began performing at an early age at the Berkeley, California punk-rock all-ages venue 924 Gilman Street. In 1986, Billie Joe Armstrong (aged 14) and Mike Dirnt (also aged 14) formed Sweet Children, with Armstrong on lead vocals and guitar and Dirnt on bass and backing vocals. Despite rumor to the contrary, John Kiffmeyer (also known as Al Sobrante) was not a part of this endeavor. Their first show was on October 17, 1988, at Rod's Hickory Pit in Vallejo, California where Armstrong's mother was working.
In 1989, Kiffmeyer's band Isocracy broke up. Kiffmeyer sought out Armstrong and Dirnt to form Sweet Children , while other members went on to for Samiam. Laurence Livermore, who played guitar for the Lookouts, also ran the Berkeley independent label Lookout! Records, and immediately offered Sweet Children a deal. The band, he said, played like " The Beatles at Shea Stadium" [1] The first Sweet Children show was played at Contra Costa College in San Pablo where Kiffmeyer attended as a journalism student. In early 1989 they recorded their first EP, "1,000 Hours," and then decided, weeks before the EP release, to change their name to Green Day, slang in the San Francisco area for a day spent smoking marijuana. The band were joint-smokers since puberty and even Billie Joe was supplying the high school; he was nicknamed "Two Dollar Bill". It is widely reported that when the boys went to their high school principal to say that they were dropping out to become a full-time band the principal observed that "would be a green day in hell" before they amounted to anything. The record came out, with the cover changed at the last minute to reflect the new name, in April 1989.
In 1990, I.R.S. Records attempted to recruit Green Day, but the band made it clear that they were loyal to Lookout! Records and that I.R.S. was a "cheesy" and "washed up" label [2]. In mid-1990, shortly after the band's first tour, John Kiffmeyer left the band to attend college in Arcata, California. Green Day released two more EPs that year: Slappy, Sweet Children, the latter of which included some older songs for the Minneapolis, Minnesota indie label Skene! Records, as well as what was planned as thier debut album on Lookout!, 39/Smooth. Instead, in 1991, 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours the band's first full-length album, was released. The album fused 39/Smooth as well as the tracks from Slappy and 1,000 Hours, as well as combining the title that would seem nonsensical if one had not heard of Green Day's early EP releases. By this time the Lookouts had become mostly inactive, and Tré Cool, now 17 and living in Berkeley, began playing with Green Day, after Armstrong and Dirnt were introduced to his drumming via Livermore's reference, and the fact that Kiffmeyer recomended Cool, who was his drumming intsructor.
In January 1991, Green Day wrote and recorded their second album, Kerplunk!, the first featuring Tré Cool on drums, releasing it on Lookout! Records in 1992. Touring through 1992 and 1993,their tour even expanded to Europe, surprising for an album released on an independent label. The album, quoted as Tré "really, really" liking it, sold about 650,000 units in the U.S., which was considered quite a large amount for the independent punk scene in 1992. It eventually topped 2 million albums sold worldwide. The booklet of Kerplunk! features a completely fictional 'diary entry' by the fictional Laurie L. entitled "My Adventure with Green Day". It can be found in its entireity here. The album featured fan favorites such as 2000 Light Years Away, and an early version of Green Day's upcoming hit-single Welcome to Paradise. Dominated Love Slave was the album's sixth track, an infamously sported Tré Cool on vocals, as well as the music being entirely written by himself, unusual for a Green Day song.-
It flows much beter than the current section. Is it okay if I work this section in instad of the current one? It has all of the information + more. It's my current goal to make Green Day into a Good Article and this step is necessary. Scrumshus 16:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll take a stab at rewriting/fixing the article this weekend, once I get some proper sources. WesleyDodds 19:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
If there is one problem with this article it is the photos. THe only photos aer album covers. I put in an early shot of the band to go along with 'Formation and Lookout Years'. I think we should place a photo of each band members face much like they do in The Beatles (which is a featured article) and maybe throw in like one or two album covers. PLus, I put the album covers in the Discograpy section, so we can totally replaces them with images of the band or concert photos, or posters or something. Maybe magazine covers. I think this srticle used to have magazine covers. I'll try to find some. There are simply too much photos. It distracts the article from the actual content. I'm replacing some and getting rid of some. Scrumshus 19:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I was reading why Green Day's featured article nomination failed. A suggestion was "Most of the article is in the 'history' section. Maybe add a 'Musical Style' or 'Lyrics' section." So I did. I also inmprted som enew song samples, because there weren't enough. I added Good Riddance, Warning, Prosthetic Head, minority, and android. Edit it all you want, but don't delete it. I worked VERY hard on it. Any suggestions to improve it are welcome. I am also going to add a "See also" section, beacuse virtually every other article has it and this one doesn't. Scrumshus 23:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I think we should include some citations for the criticism, because then it could be considered original research. Most of the criticism doesn't seem like it's based on fact though, but is based more on opinion. Orfen 18:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I was browsing Wikipedia when I came Just Friends (2005 film) WTF? Not only have I never heard of "just Friends" This is just the green day page with a reworked first sentence and some faulty links! Talk about your vandalsim! I SERIOUSLY think an admin should get down here and delete that piece of plagurised crap. NOW! Scrumshus 01:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Can someone cite those sales figures in the first paragraph? I have no idea where those numbers come from, and it's essential that we cite them. WesleyDodds 12:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I think they got it from the Green Day Discovergraphy page. It states the same info. there with a source I believe. Orfen 05:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
what album is closing time on? cause i cant find it
Closing Time is by Semisonic not Green Day, the album is called feeling strangely fine BradK 10:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
WOW! According to this link: [10] Metatraffic reports that Green Day sold almost 8 million copies of American Idiot in the US alone! Time for the riaa to catch-up... Scrumshus 17:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
While it's been established (I refer here to the wikipage for Billie Joe Armstrong) that the name Green Day signified among the bandmembers a day which they spent completely stoned on cannabis, no reference has ever been made in any wikipage of which I am aware as to the origin of the expression Green Day itself.
This precludes, as so often the case, a United States readership with US-specific knowledge - in this case, that a day the President spends outside on the White House lawn or "green", generally receiving guests and/or the media, is called a green day.
-- Nuttyskin 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe they mentioned the pot reference on their Behind the Music episode. WesleyDodds 05:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Look, if this artice is gonna have a criticism section, we need some ACTUAL criticism with sources, not some sentence that appears to be original research. I'll look for sources, but I'm deleting the section until someone posts a great resource with someone actually critisizing Green Day, okay? Scrumshus 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
A SPIN magazine article from 1995 that you can find online details criticism of selling out, and goes into detail about the whole "86" meaning. Also, there's an interview clip I've seen a couple of times on Vh1 with Sonic Youth where Lee Ranaldo says "No punk band has ever had a platinum record. Green Day is not a punk band" (which is a completely ridiculous comment, but it counts as criticism). Of course I'm of the mind that such criticism should be worked into the appropriate areas of the prose, and not in a separate section. WesleyDodds 05:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I was reading the Black Flag (band) article, which is a Good Article, and I realized that the lead for this article doesn't meet the criteria if we want to make this o Good or Featured Article. Specifically:
Green Day is an American musical trio from California, consisting of Billie Joe Armstrong (guitar, lead vocals), Mike Dirnt (bass guitar, backing vocals) and Tré Cool (drums, backing vocals). The band's sound has evolved from thier early, stripped-down punk rock to include genres such as harcore punk, hard rock, (best indentified on thier on their muscialy varied 5th nimrod.) mainstream rock, ska, and a cross-genre that some described as "punk folk", [3]while mainly sticking to thier formula of punk pop which gained them worldwide recognition. The music and style of the band contributed signifgantly to the growing esteem on alterntaive rock and helped to define the muisc of the 1990s.
Green Day is widely credited, along with fellow California bands The Offspring and Rancid, with reviving mainstream interest in and popularizing punk rock in the United States during the mid 1990s. [4] [5] Thier success has strongly inspired several prominent punk-pop bands such as Good Charlotte, blink-182, and Sum 41. [5] Good Charlotte's Joel Madden has stated "Dookie changed my life. It made me want to start Good Charlotte. ... Right after that record came out, we were like, 'We have to start a band in our garage right now and play shows ... like Green Day." [5]
Green Day was and is still one of the best-selling popular musical acts of the 90s and 2000s. In the U.S. alone, they sold 25 million albums and had two Top Ten singles, one of them being a Top 5 single. This commercial success was repeated in many other countries worldwide, and the band has sold about 55 million albums worldwide, making them the biggest punk band of all time. [6] The band is no stranger to the Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks, in which they are second to only the Red Hot Chili Peppers for most number ones, currently with eight. They are also second the to the Chili Peppers in that they have 39 total weeks at number one on that chart, with the Chili Peppers at 72. Green Day currently has three Grammy Awards under thier belt for Alternative Album for thier breakthrough major-label debut Dookie, Grammy Award for Best Rock Album for American Idiot, and the coveted Record of the Year for Boulevard of Broken Dreams, as well as winning many industry and fan-based awards.
Edit this intro all you want, it is just an idea of what a good or featured lead should look like. Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
I'm not too keen on the the whole bit about genres in the first paragraph. It's really unnecessary for an introduction (and potentially confusing), and hard to cite. I actually like the lead section as it is now. The Good Charolette quote works well, though. WesleyDodds 05:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't we include a section about Green Day's live performances? Maybe get a posititve concert review online and use it as a reference, and write about live staples and what generally happens? We could go much farther into the Milton Keyes concert that was filmed for Bullet in a Bible. It couldn't hurt to use it to make this article into a Good Article. Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
I changed the route of "East Bay" in the origin to go directly to the East Bay page, instead of the disambiguation. Stonesour025 20:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure they're from Easy Bay? During "Minority" on Bullet in a Bible he says hey're from Oakland. BNLfan53 16:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Oakland is part of the East Bay area. Besides, both Billie and Mike grew up in Rodeo (which is also part of the East Bay area). Theplanetsaturn
I haven't even read the entire article, but honestly, it was reading pretty well so far. But there is no way this article can be promoted, because it has massive image issues.
Great work so far, but more work needed.-- Esprit15d 13:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I worked on the Mike Dirnt photo, and gave Tre Cool's photo a fair use rationale. We're on our way! Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
Apparently, some people think that Green Day has sold 36 million albums in the US and 81 million albums worldwide, while linking their reference to my original reference that stated they had sold 50 miilion. Unlesss you guys actually references to these statistics, GD's sales is 26 million in the US, 56.5 worldwide, and 60 million worldwide if digital sales are counted. Okay? Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑
It would seem that a fan of the group ( Theplanetsaturn ( talk · contribs) is attempting to turn the criticism section into a John Lydon & Steve Diggle criticism section.
Here he ads a POV comment before a quote Lydon made about the band.
First of all; PiL are a postpunk act, second, who are you to say Lydon is basing his opinions on their appearance alone, and that he has a limited personal knowledge of their background?... that is not fact, that is clearly your POV it has no place in an encyclopedia article.
In regards to another quote; Theplanetsaturn ( talk · contribs) calls Steve Diggle of the Buzzcocks "an ignorant" [17] and ads a snide comment before his quote on his heroes; "Steve Diggle attempts to define them, but unfortunately does not substantiate his opinion"... again, clear POV, leave it up to the reader to decide whether Diggle's opinion on your favourite band is substantial or not. I attempted to message this user about it, but no reply and he persists. - Deathrocker 06:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
PiL are a postpunk band, read their article on them and postpunk. You called Diggle "ignorant" in the diff provided above. And regarding Lydon's quote, you said exactly that ;
You brought that into the article, nobody else.. that is your POV edit. Diggle is one of Green Day's biggest influences, and a prominent person in the original punk movement... his comment on the band is relevant. You have in no way shape or form proved that the tripe which you added (as shown above) was anything but POV bias against the artists comments. Also the Iggy Pop insinuation you keep adding, is irrelevant, unless you can find a direct quote from Iggy Pop himself stating an opinion that he thinks the band are "punk", then feel free to add it, instead of inventing something that doesn't exist. Not everybody who he has colaborated with plays punk music, as I attempted to show you earlier using David Bowie as an example.
And as for the "fanboy" claim; your edits on Wikipedia seem to revolve around removing anything a hardcore Green Day fan wouldn't like to read about the band [18]... a while ago you even attempted to blank Lydon and Diggle's quote entirely, when an another user added it [19] it approaches a hagiography attempt. - Deathrocker
I've contested it, and shown how your edits are blatantly POV and you even leveled insults at one of the commenting artists in an edit summary, as well as factual inacuracies on what PiL are. It clearly doesn't stand up to any policies regarding encyclopedic edits or the official NPOV policy on your part.
"my fairly neutral statements", be serious please. - Deathrocker 08:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Punk is a form of music. You seem unable to comprehend this, Lydon comments on whether or not a band (you know, people who play music) are punk, thus he is commenting on the form of music they play.
If you continue to add your extreme fan slanted POV bias before the quotes, then an extreme anti-Green Day POV will be needed with it to even it out... if you are not mature enough to leave it on an even NPOV keel where the comments are left to stand for themselves. - Deathrocker 18:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Lydon was refering to a musical band and commented on the genre in his first quote "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk"... PUNK is a form of music. If he said "Don't try to tell me Billie Joe and Mike Dirnt belong to the punk subculture", then you may have an argument, but that isn't what he said... you are adding your own bias spin on it.
He feels that the band are trying to immitate what punk rock music was, and even the themes in the songs (in this case, millionairs Green Day, complaining about the American government), when he is commenting on the image later in the second quote; you have to understand that bands like the Pistols and Lydon in particular wrapped themselves in basically garbage and DIY'd second hand clothing; its not like the Green Day's and Good Charlotte's where they have an all-star team of fashion gurus to advise them on expensive clothing and stage wear from Hot Topic and the like. - Deathrocker 18:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I recently bought a book compiling Guitar World articles about alternative and punk rock. So there's interviews with the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Clash, Black Flag, Green Day, and so forth. A couple of items of note: int the Sex Pistols interview (from 1996, during their reunion tour) Rotten and Jones briefly discuss Green Day. Jones mentions he thinks Billie Joe Armstrong is a funny guy, but both Pistols concur that they find Green Day "poppy". Green Day (from a 1996 interview as well) on the other hand completely insults people like Rotten and Henry Rollins for complaining about their success. They also mention that the Sex Pistols asked them to open their reunion tour, which they said no to. WesleyDodds 01:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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