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On 16 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Greeks in Russia. The result of the discussion was Split. |
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The result of the move request was: Split. After over a month, consensus has formed that the article title should use modern-day country names. Those article titles then imply a scope that covers any history. Some minor disgreements remain on how to split to best manage the overlap between this and several other articles (those for USSR successor states and those for older historical periods of the region). These disagreements can be worked out in draft space, then executed in mainspace after consensus has formed on the split. The drafting process can also help mitigate the chicken-egg scenario of article scope and title, which seems to have happened here. Cheers! ( non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 13:06, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Greeks in Russia and the Soviet Union → Greeks in Russia – Similar articles generally just say "Russia" while still including the group's Soviet-era history, which makes sense, as Russia is generally accepted as the successor of the Soviet Union. Examples include Ethnic Chinese in Russia, Japanese people in Russia, and Iranians in Russia. An anonymous username, not my real name ( talk) 22:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios ( talk) 01:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Vpab15 rightly
asked on
my talk: Since you say there is a consensus to move to the modern-day country name, should it be moved as proposed to Greeks in Russia?
. I clarify here, so anyone looking at the RM can also see my comments. There is consensus to move, but no consensus on the new title.
WP:OTHEROPTIONS allows the closer to choose one based on policy and guidelines, but a title may preclude a
split, which every participant said is needed. As long as a split eventually occurs,
Greeks in Russia and Ukraine is the title that reflects the current, pre-split scope. The last sentence of WP:OTHEROPTIONS applies: And if anyone objects to the closer's choice, then instead of taking it to
move review, they should simply make another move request at any time, which will hopefully lead the article to its final stable title
[formatting original].
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16:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Split. After over a month, consensus has formed that the article title should use modern-day country names. Those article titles then imply a scope that covers any history. Some minor disgreements remain on how to split to best manage the overlap between this and several other articles (those for USSR successor states and those for older historical periods of the region). These disagreements can be worked out in draft space, then executed in mainspace after consensus has formed on the split. The drafting process can also help mitigate the chicken-egg scenario of article scope and title, which seems to have happened here. Cheers! ( non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 ( talk · contribs) 13:06, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Greeks in Russia and the Soviet Union → Greeks in Russia – Similar articles generally just say "Russia" while still including the group's Soviet-era history, which makes sense, as Russia is generally accepted as the successor of the Soviet Union. Examples include Ethnic Chinese in Russia, Japanese people in Russia, and Iranians in Russia. An anonymous username, not my real name ( talk) 22:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. Spekkios ( talk) 01:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Vpab15 rightly
asked on
my talk: Since you say there is a consensus to move to the modern-day country name, should it be moved as proposed to Greeks in Russia?
. I clarify here, so anyone looking at the RM can also see my comments. There is consensus to move, but no consensus on the new title.
WP:OTHEROPTIONS allows the closer to choose one based on policy and guidelines, but a title may preclude a
split, which every participant said is needed. As long as a split eventually occurs,
Greeks in Russia and Ukraine is the title that reflects the current, pre-split scope. The last sentence of WP:OTHEROPTIONS applies: And if anyone objects to the closer's choice, then instead of taking it to
move review, they should simply make another move request at any time, which will hopefully lead the article to its final stable title
[formatting original].
Rotideypoc41352 (
talk ·
contribs)
16:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)