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I would have gone ahead and done this already, but it depends on whether you consider the discussion of a possible (and even likely) event in the future to be part of a "current event." Given the "self-fulfilling prophecy" aspect of Grexit discussion, adding such a tag is especially problematic. If people read the tag as saying "the exit is already happening", the article could be doing something that Wikipedia shouldn't: helping to make it happen. I'm not saying Grexit shouldn't happen -- that's an econ/policy question. I happen to favor an exit, on the right terms. But I'd also favor debt forgiveness instead, on the right terms. All I mean is that it's not Wikipedia's job to make an event like this even slightly more likely. Perhaps if the article forward to "Grexit Controversy"? Yakushima ( talk) 07:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
It is perhaps inevitable that the word Ελλεξοδος, a Hellenisation of "Grexit", has started to appear on Greek news reports. I couldn't think of a suitable place to add it in the article, but if anyone has done a better review of way the crisis is being reported in Greece, that word might be worth noting. Howard Alexander ( talk) 10:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
You know, I do really hate when people jump in to name-move longstanding articles, especially (a) without discussion (b) to utterly stupid, pulled-out-of-a-hat names like "Greece withdrawal from the eurozone". As article names goes, that is up there with "America burning down in flames"; the wording completely fails to identify the subject matter (Has Greece withdrawn? Among other confusions), is pointlessly clunky, and it doesn't even "spell it out". Please, tell me how "Greece withdrawal from the eurozone" spells "Grexit" Human.v2.0 ( talk) 10:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
When I created this page it was called "Grexit". I do not know by whom and why it was renamed like this. -- Jpvandijk ( talk) 12:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Greek withdrawal from the eurozone, which seems to have developed as a consensus solution. Number 5 7 15:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Greece withdrawal from the eurozone → Greek exit from Euro – After TDL's contested move two years ago, I'm now proposing to move the page to a slightly less artificial title which in the contrary to the current title is recognizable as full version of "Grexit", and is stilll no neologism. Note also that United Kingdom withdrawal from the EU has been renamed to some other title, so for better or worse the intended consistency has gone anyway. PanchoS ( talk) 03:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC) Support a move perhaps to Greek exit from the Eurozone Greg Kaye 13:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I feel like this line has some pretty significant POV: "The German government's interference in the upcoming elections in Greece was strongly criticized...". Maybe it would be better as "The German government's stance on the upcoming elections in Greece was strongly criticized..." Also, since the elections have now passed, these things should be put into the past tense. Sephalon1 ( talk) 05:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved - The prior near unanimous consensus to move to current name in January and split consensus here makes leaving the name as it the most prudent option. Per Andrewa below, article titles are not newpaper headlines and such a move without overwhelming consensus would create a complicated precedent. I would suggest abstaining from any new move requests for at least 6 months. Mike Cline ( talk) 14:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Greek withdrawal from the eurozone → Proposed Greek withdrawal from the eurozone – Hello, Obviously, the name of this article is the topic of discussion of most of this talk page, indicating how sensible it is.
I have a problem with the current name in that to the uninformed reader it makes the Greek withdrawal look like a certain, or past, event, which it is not. Also, this page was originally moved from Grexit citing " consistency with Brexit being located at United Kingdom withdrawal from the European Union", however this page has since been moved to Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union.
For these reasons, I would like to suggest a move to something like Proposed Greek withdrawal from the eurozone per consistency with the page cited above. However, Discussed, Argued or Eventual Greek withdrawal from the eurozone also are arguable targets, as, unlike the UK referendum, nobody (but commentators) actually proposes the withdrawal per se but there is no doubt that it is discussed. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Place Clichy ( talk) 09:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I added the deleted text back and added references as requested. I didn't think it was necessary, since my change was really just removing some (unreferenced) existing text and explaining why. I know that wikipedia takes refenencing seriously, but it is really not reasonable to expect a non-assumption to be referenced. See Russell's_Teapot—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Well I see you removed the entire section of "Unsourced Tripe". At least that is consistent, albeit obnoxious. I bet you would have come down on me like a ton of bricks if I had removed it myself.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs) 09:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
obnoxious, please refer to the policy on ad-hominem arguments. Concerning the
ton of brickscomment, please avoid speculation and consult the other fundamental Wikipedia policy on assuming good faith. Thank you again. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 09:16, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok I will take it on board. Thanks. You would be well advised to read your last two sentences carefully and think how they apply to your own behavior.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
You are deliberately trying to aggrevate me and to start an argument. I refuse to have one.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs)
You are deliberately trying to aggrevate me and to start an argument.I just asked for evidence that I personally atacked you. Instead of providing said evidence, you provided more evidence about your lack of assuming good faith even though I made you aware of the AGF policy before. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 16:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
The whole 'Grexit' term suffers from recentism, and is often used for political purposes. Handle with care. - Mardus ( talk) 22:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The most obvious thought a reader might have upon seeing this article is the surprisingly high level of WP:REDUNDANCY in the lead, especially with the first sentence - it does something that's specifically advised against: If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. I don't want to reword anything myself since it's a current event and I don't want to do anything contentious. — 烏Γ ( kaw), 05:36, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
could be. 1) Greeks issue their own currency, in violation of the treaty 2) Greek govt debt is no longer accepted as collateral for inter-bank lending 3) Greece is thrown out of the Eurozone's 'seinorage' arrangement that gives out profit fron central bank operations to member states, there is no legal arrangement for this to happen This article needs to discuss all of this. CorvetteZ51 ( talk) 08:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Should link this page to Greek Tragedy ... or perhaps Greek comedy ? ;-) 66.155.23.67 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:07, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Danlaycock, you reverted the lead (2 October 2016, 18:23) because of your (outsider) opinion that Greece has the option to leave the Euro without exiting the EU. You linked to your source ( http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/how-can-greece-leave-the-euro-and-remain-within-the-eu). Please acknowledge that you selected more a "Eurosceptic campaign group" than a reliable source as you can read in the WP Open Europe article.
Even your special source says: 'The EU treaties do not currently provide a mechanism for a country to leave the euro, either unilaterally or in a negotiated mannerstates'. Can we agree that EU laws clearly tell that a member state can't leave the Euro, a member state can only leave the EU and thereby as a consequence has to exit the Euro currency?-- Thereisnofreename ( talk) 15:10, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
"Grexit" is the common name for this phenomena...-- Thereisnofreename ( talk) 15:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Anyone knows why the IMF projections are the "background" facts for Grexit?-- Thereisnofreename ( talk) 20:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
I removed material by a single US individual (M Nicolas Firzli) who has no demonstrated expertise in this subject and is not personally notable. The material is effectively a blog since he uploaded it to the [commercial] platform academia.edu, though he himself is not an academic. If a similar point of view can be found where an expert in international law expresses and explains it, then it should certainly appear. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 22:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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Excuse me, but why are we posting hypotheticals on Wikipedia, just because someone invented some catchy words? How about Crexit and Craccident? How about Czexit and Czaccident? How about a real hypothetical, like Icexit and Ice Accident? I just made them up. Should I write an article? Could be fun. Greece is a member of the EU. This article falls way under any notability bar that I could envision. Henrik Erlandsson 23:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenrikErlandsson ( talk • contribs)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 21:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Greek withdrawal from the eurozone → Grexit – Grexit is the WP:COMMONNAME and more in line with Brexit. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 14:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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I would have gone ahead and done this already, but it depends on whether you consider the discussion of a possible (and even likely) event in the future to be part of a "current event." Given the "self-fulfilling prophecy" aspect of Grexit discussion, adding such a tag is especially problematic. If people read the tag as saying "the exit is already happening", the article could be doing something that Wikipedia shouldn't: helping to make it happen. I'm not saying Grexit shouldn't happen -- that's an econ/policy question. I happen to favor an exit, on the right terms. But I'd also favor debt forgiveness instead, on the right terms. All I mean is that it's not Wikipedia's job to make an event like this even slightly more likely. Perhaps if the article forward to "Grexit Controversy"? Yakushima ( talk) 07:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
It is perhaps inevitable that the word Ελλεξοδος, a Hellenisation of "Grexit", has started to appear on Greek news reports. I couldn't think of a suitable place to add it in the article, but if anyone has done a better review of way the crisis is being reported in Greece, that word might be worth noting. Howard Alexander ( talk) 10:11, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
You know, I do really hate when people jump in to name-move longstanding articles, especially (a) without discussion (b) to utterly stupid, pulled-out-of-a-hat names like "Greece withdrawal from the eurozone". As article names goes, that is up there with "America burning down in flames"; the wording completely fails to identify the subject matter (Has Greece withdrawn? Among other confusions), is pointlessly clunky, and it doesn't even "spell it out". Please, tell me how "Greece withdrawal from the eurozone" spells "Grexit" Human.v2.0 ( talk) 10:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
When I created this page it was called "Grexit". I do not know by whom and why it was renamed like this. -- Jpvandijk ( talk) 12:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Greek withdrawal from the eurozone, which seems to have developed as a consensus solution. Number 5 7 15:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Greece withdrawal from the eurozone → Greek exit from Euro – After TDL's contested move two years ago, I'm now proposing to move the page to a slightly less artificial title which in the contrary to the current title is recognizable as full version of "Grexit", and is stilll no neologism. Note also that United Kingdom withdrawal from the EU has been renamed to some other title, so for better or worse the intended consistency has gone anyway. PanchoS ( talk) 03:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC) Support a move perhaps to Greek exit from the Eurozone Greg Kaye 13:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I feel like this line has some pretty significant POV: "The German government's interference in the upcoming elections in Greece was strongly criticized...". Maybe it would be better as "The German government's stance on the upcoming elections in Greece was strongly criticized..." Also, since the elections have now passed, these things should be put into the past tense. Sephalon1 ( talk) 05:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not Moved - The prior near unanimous consensus to move to current name in January and split consensus here makes leaving the name as it the most prudent option. Per Andrewa below, article titles are not newpaper headlines and such a move without overwhelming consensus would create a complicated precedent. I would suggest abstaining from any new move requests for at least 6 months. Mike Cline ( talk) 14:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Greek withdrawal from the eurozone → Proposed Greek withdrawal from the eurozone – Hello, Obviously, the name of this article is the topic of discussion of most of this talk page, indicating how sensible it is.
I have a problem with the current name in that to the uninformed reader it makes the Greek withdrawal look like a certain, or past, event, which it is not. Also, this page was originally moved from Grexit citing " consistency with Brexit being located at United Kingdom withdrawal from the European Union", however this page has since been moved to Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union.
For these reasons, I would like to suggest a move to something like Proposed Greek withdrawal from the eurozone per consistency with the page cited above. However, Discussed, Argued or Eventual Greek withdrawal from the eurozone also are arguable targets, as, unlike the UK referendum, nobody (but commentators) actually proposes the withdrawal per se but there is no doubt that it is discussed. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Place Clichy ( talk) 09:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I added the deleted text back and added references as requested. I didn't think it was necessary, since my change was really just removing some (unreferenced) existing text and explaining why. I know that wikipedia takes refenencing seriously, but it is really not reasonable to expect a non-assumption to be referenced. See Russell's_Teapot—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Well I see you removed the entire section of "Unsourced Tripe". At least that is consistent, albeit obnoxious. I bet you would have come down on me like a ton of bricks if I had removed it myself.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs) 09:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
obnoxious, please refer to the policy on ad-hominem arguments. Concerning the
ton of brickscomment, please avoid speculation and consult the other fundamental Wikipedia policy on assuming good faith. Thank you again. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 09:16, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok I will take it on board. Thanks. You would be well advised to read your last two sentences carefully and think how they apply to your own behavior.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
You are deliberately trying to aggrevate me and to start an argument. I refuse to have one.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksix ( talk • contribs)
You are deliberately trying to aggrevate me and to start an argument.I just asked for evidence that I personally atacked you. Instead of providing said evidence, you provided more evidence about your lack of assuming good faith even though I made you aware of the AGF policy before. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 16:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
The whole 'Grexit' term suffers from recentism, and is often used for political purposes. Handle with care. - Mardus ( talk) 22:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
The most obvious thought a reader might have upon seeing this article is the surprisingly high level of WP:REDUNDANCY in the lead, especially with the first sentence - it does something that's specifically advised against: If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. I don't want to reword anything myself since it's a current event and I don't want to do anything contentious. — 烏Γ ( kaw), 05:36, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
could be. 1) Greeks issue their own currency, in violation of the treaty 2) Greek govt debt is no longer accepted as collateral for inter-bank lending 3) Greece is thrown out of the Eurozone's 'seinorage' arrangement that gives out profit fron central bank operations to member states, there is no legal arrangement for this to happen This article needs to discuss all of this. CorvetteZ51 ( talk) 08:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Should link this page to Greek Tragedy ... or perhaps Greek comedy ? ;-) 66.155.23.67 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:07, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Danlaycock, you reverted the lead (2 October 2016, 18:23) because of your (outsider) opinion that Greece has the option to leave the Euro without exiting the EU. You linked to your source ( http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/how-can-greece-leave-the-euro-and-remain-within-the-eu). Please acknowledge that you selected more a "Eurosceptic campaign group" than a reliable source as you can read in the WP Open Europe article.
Even your special source says: 'The EU treaties do not currently provide a mechanism for a country to leave the euro, either unilaterally or in a negotiated mannerstates'. Can we agree that EU laws clearly tell that a member state can't leave the Euro, a member state can only leave the EU and thereby as a consequence has to exit the Euro currency?-- Thereisnofreename ( talk) 15:10, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
"Grexit" is the common name for this phenomena...-- Thereisnofreename ( talk) 15:21, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Anyone knows why the IMF projections are the "background" facts for Grexit?-- Thereisnofreename ( talk) 20:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
I removed material by a single US individual (M Nicolas Firzli) who has no demonstrated expertise in this subject and is not personally notable. The material is effectively a blog since he uploaded it to the [commercial] platform academia.edu, though he himself is not an academic. If a similar point of view can be found where an expert in international law expresses and explains it, then it should certainly appear. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 22:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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Excuse me, but why are we posting hypotheticals on Wikipedia, just because someone invented some catchy words? How about Crexit and Craccident? How about Czexit and Czaccident? How about a real hypothetical, like Icexit and Ice Accident? I just made them up. Should I write an article? Could be fun. Greece is a member of the EU. This article falls way under any notability bar that I could envision. Henrik Erlandsson 23:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenrikErlandsson ( talk • contribs)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 21:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Greek withdrawal from the eurozone → Grexit – Grexit is the WP:COMMONNAME and more in line with Brexit. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 14:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)