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@ Eliasbizannes: Here's the leftover parts.
*Positive relations: end of Paragraph 1 starting at "whose replacement was with a cheer squad" Response: citation added and adjectives downplayed
Elias (
talk) 04:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*Energy pipelines: end of Paragraph 1 starting at "Turkey would work from 2018" Response: I added some citations and edited the text.
Elias (
talk) 04:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*Per above in To-do list Part 1, there is a [better source needed] tag with the Kathimerini source in the Migrants section. If you believe only this source needs to be replaced here, then it should be swapped out. This statement I created, like with others on the article, to aggregate several news items that were on the page before. I have removed the [better source needed] tag because I did a look on JSTOR for sources and could not find better.
Elias (
talk) 04:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC) --
MrLinkinPark333 (
talk) 20:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Is it necessary to keep Abdullah Ocalan鈥檚 picture on the 鈥淧ositive relations鈥 section? I suggest removing his picture. He is the head of an illegal and banned terrorist organization after all. It does not add any value to the section but seems like a mockery of the issue. 176.55.17.225 ( talk) 10:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29聽( talk 路 contribs) 01:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I will take this review. ~~
AirshipJungleman29 (
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GA review 鈥 see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I would suggest a different wording than of current version [1]. The people moving across are not the cause of incidents. Cinadon 36 13:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a heavy reliance on primary sources in current version. [2]. Greek Ministry of FA and Turkish consulate general, are primary sources. Also, despite significant literature at peer reviewed journals, many newspaper articles are in use. Cinadon 36 13:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Secondary sources put things into context. Anyways the policy of wp is clear Wikipedia:PST. Cinadon 36 11:03, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
The following are a list of issues that have been identified that need to be corrected as discussed on User_talk:AirshipJungleman29
The article consistently presents opinions from sources as fact. The article does not follow the recommendations outlined at
WP:NPOV, specifically
WP:IMPARTIAL.
Examples
* "There was a lot of progress but ultimately not on the issues that mattered."
The lead is a problem
* The first paragraph should "clearly explain the subject so that the reader is prepared for the greater level of detail that follows. "Greece and Turkey have a competitive relationship with a long history and complex issues", reads like the opening sentence of a history writing project
* The sentence "Greece and Turkey since their formation have used real and imagined trauma of each other to justify their nationalism" introduces three topics (their formation, real and imagined trauma, and nationalism) which are never talked about elswhere in the lead. This is a contravention of
MOS:INTRO 鈥 there should be no hinting at concepts discussed later in the article. The lead should also cover the article's most important points, yet there is no summarisation of the Background and History sections except for the two words "long history". This is not sufficient.
Words to watch
Elias ( talk) 21:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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@ Eliasbizannes: Here's the leftover parts.
*Positive relations: end of Paragraph 1 starting at "whose replacement was with a cheer squad" Response: citation added and adjectives downplayed
Elias (
talk) 04:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*Energy pipelines: end of Paragraph 1 starting at "Turkey would work from 2018" Response: I added some citations and edited the text.
Elias (
talk) 04:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
*Per above in To-do list Part 1, there is a [better source needed] tag with the Kathimerini source in the Migrants section. If you believe only this source needs to be replaced here, then it should be swapped out. This statement I created, like with others on the article, to aggregate several news items that were on the page before. I have removed the [better source needed] tag because I did a look on JSTOR for sources and could not find better.
Elias (
talk) 04:26, 9 June 2022 (UTC) --
MrLinkinPark333 (
talk) 20:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Is it necessary to keep Abdullah Ocalan鈥檚 picture on the 鈥淧ositive relations鈥 section? I suggest removing his picture. He is the head of an illegal and banned terrorist organization after all. It does not add any value to the section but seems like a mockery of the issue. 176.55.17.225 ( talk) 10:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29聽( talk 路 contribs) 01:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
I will take this review. ~~
AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 01:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
GA review 鈥 see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I would suggest a different wording than of current version [1]. The people moving across are not the cause of incidents. Cinadon 36 13:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a heavy reliance on primary sources in current version. [2]. Greek Ministry of FA and Turkish consulate general, are primary sources. Also, despite significant literature at peer reviewed journals, many newspaper articles are in use. Cinadon 36 13:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Secondary sources put things into context. Anyways the policy of wp is clear Wikipedia:PST. Cinadon 36 11:03, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
The following are a list of issues that have been identified that need to be corrected as discussed on User_talk:AirshipJungleman29
The article consistently presents opinions from sources as fact. The article does not follow the recommendations outlined at
WP:NPOV, specifically
WP:IMPARTIAL.
Examples
* "There was a lot of progress but ultimately not on the issues that mattered."
The lead is a problem
* The first paragraph should "clearly explain the subject so that the reader is prepared for the greater level of detail that follows. "Greece and Turkey have a competitive relationship with a long history and complex issues", reads like the opening sentence of a history writing project
* The sentence "Greece and Turkey since their formation have used real and imagined trauma of each other to justify their nationalism" introduces three topics (their formation, real and imagined trauma, and nationalism) which are never talked about elswhere in the lead. This is a contravention of
MOS:INTRO 鈥 there should be no hinting at concepts discussed later in the article. The lead should also cover the article's most important points, yet there is no summarisation of the Background and History sections except for the two words "long history". This is not sufficient.
Words to watch
Elias ( talk) 21:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)