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Who decided to put this article in 'pending changes'. And who is responsible for accepting or rejecting the new edits? Politis ( talk) 22:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a political map of Greece in the Geography section, which, when clicked, takes one to a significantly different version of the map. This is completely counterintuitive and should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.187.144 ( talk) 22:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I've re-semiprotected this page, given the persistent vandalisms dealing mainly with the name of the Republic of Macedonia. I fail and the reason should be "Repeated ip-hopping vandalism related to the name of the Republic of Macedonia after a year of semi-protection. Looks like it has to be long-term protected, sadly." year, not hour. Thought I'd write it up somewhere, and yes, the heat must have done something to my brain for not being able to do one clean protection out of three tries :P Snowolf How can I help? 17:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there such a thing as a "healthy Mediterranean diet". That sounds like POV to me. I have read recent reports suggesting that the typical Mediterranean diet isn't healthy at all. JohnC ( talk) 06:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The map 'territorial gains until 1947' shows Western Thrace as coming under Greek rule in 1923, whereas other sources indicate that the date should be 1920. Both Eastern and Western Thrace were acquired by Greece in 1919-1920, and then Eastern Thrace reverted to Turkey in 1923 (correctly shown on map) -- per the Encyclopaedia Britannica entry for 'Thrace' and the Wikipedia article on Thrace. Uranian Institute ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC).
Why is the National Anthem transliterated as "Ýmnos eis tīn Eleftherían"? Even in the polytonic script, the pronunciation is "Ýmnos is tin Eleftherían". Keep in mind that this is Modern Greek and not Ancient Greek. The anthem was written in 1823, therefore Modern Greek phonology and transliteration applies. And even in Ancient Greek your transliteration is wrong, since "η" would be [ē] and not [ī]. Philly boy92 ( talk) 13:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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Please change the name of the country "Republic of Macedonia". It is not recognised from Greece. The correct name is: "Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia".
178.59.83.109 ( talk) 13:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Please See Here Carl Sixsmith ( talk) 13:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Ι think the name has to bee as it is Yes,Greece will never recognize a fake state with this name, even if the whole world does, but wiki is for "the whole world" Greco22 ( talk) 16:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I think we ve got a little problem.too many and irrelevant photos.With your permission co-editors may i put in order? :) Greco22 ( talk) 14:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
for example...full moon over oia? athens concert hall?(actually is private organization,not public such is the national theate for example) panachaiko range? and others
plus,as appears the article right now many photos are at irrelevant sections(the photos of transport are at immigration section for example)
and the structure...why the empty space before demographics?
Im not against photographs, actually I want them a lot and if you see i ve decorated most of greek articles which were "empty" but...as it is "greece" right now ....1)the reader feels uncomfortable of the many photos around the text and 2)the article seems a little bit ugly
why dont you use my version adding the pictures that you like mostly from the previous? Greco22 ( talk) 15:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
The population of Greece is 11,420,000 according to latest estimations. Just add the population of the 13 administrative regions of the country and you 'll find that out! Well, the difference between 11.3 million and 11.4 million isn't really big, but it would be nice to be more accurate... And after all, since I am greek and I live in Athens, I have to say that I feel that today's population must be quite bigger than 11.4 million, because there are not just thousands, but millions of immigrants from all over the world in our country and those people aren't included in those data! So, the total population of Greece must be about 13 or even 14 million... Anyway, next year (aka 2011) there is the next official census taking place, so we 'll see exactly at what range the total population is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.255.71 ( talk) 11:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The name Macedonia refers to the wider area of northern Greece, west of Thrace, inhabited by Greek people since the ancient times. The neighbor country named Macedonia in this article has not been officially recognized by that name; currently it is identified as Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia (aka FYROM), and refers to a totally different nation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dozius ( talk • contribs) 09:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
In the article it is written "The Jewish community in Greece traditionally spoke Ladino (Judeo-Spanish), today maintained only by a small group of a few thousand speakers." I would like to add that the jewish community in greece was/is also represented by the Romaniotes. Their languages were Yevanic, a Greek dialect, and Greek. Check the wiki article "Romaniotes" and the wiki article on "History of the Jews in Greece". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.189.22 ( talk) 01:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
This map has mistakes and the areas of the map dont fit exactly with the link of the europe ethnologue map which is given(for example shows arvanitika speaken at whole Attica and even at the city of Athens)
Maybe the user Future Perf. had some cretaive inspiration.I think he forgot 15 serbians in Kalamata and 3 jews in Karditsa. It would be better to edit a map about the slavic-speaking Germany (the half country) Greco22 ( talk) 02:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
The final draft of the recent immigration law requires a five-year long legal presence in Greece for both parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.186.139 ( talk) 07:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Greco22 you are deleting photos from the Gallery with no reason and keep adding other photos. If you want to add your photos, do it, but its wrong to delete the photos that already exist there and are photos showing Greece (the Gallery is about Greece remember) and not nude women, cars, ships or something else irrelevant. Please stop doing that. Avionics1980 ( talk) 17:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi there,sorry but where do you see nude women,cars,ships? etc...I hope your pc is ok
Your fotos are completely irrelevant,is it "greece" the congress center in tinos or the court house in chania?or even the statue of bouboulina in spetses? and it is not mystras palace as you said?
are you trolling us? :) i saw that user:Gregorik wrote that you bandalized the article of Hungary So what is your purpose? I think a more experienced user could help us... Greco22 ( talk) 17:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
As far as Gregorik and Hungary, you should know better. The only entry I did for Hungary article was to remove a Wikipedia Spam List reference (see International Living Website) and more specifically their so-called Quality of Life Index, which is the most biased piece of material that one could site on Wikipedia. This is a well known and accepted fact in the Wikipedia community and no one references this site in Wikipedia. Hungary could not be the exception. Avionics1980 ( talk) 18:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
My thoughts: I believe we can leave the amount of photos. There are other Wikipedia articles about countries with much, much more photos than Greece article in the point actually that you think if its an Encyclopedia article or a Lonely Planet tourist guide. Also the photos on those articles are spread across the article and not in Gallery as in Greece. So i think its fine to include this amount of photos. Greece article cant be the exception. If we want less photos, then we have to remove from other articles as well. I also think that the pupropse of the gallery is to include photos of Greece. No one can specify what is representative of a country. Some can say it is the Isthmus channel some might say a sandy beach in Skiathos. In fact I would go with the beaches since Greece is the place of the beaches, while the Isthmus Channel is neither a representative of Greece per se, nor the greatest technologival marvel that Greece can show. And that is my point. No one can judge on what is representative. So i think we should treat the Gallery what is intented for: The term "Gallery" implies photos. Relevant photos of the subject we are discussing: Greece. Photos about Greece. Landscapes about Greece, monuments about Greece, buildings in Greece, beaches in Greece, etc etc. Avionics1980 ( talk) 19:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Is Greece not a protectorate of the European Union? If not officially then atleast by convention. This does not seem to be covered. MrTranscript ( talk) 17:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries, a Gallery is not part of country articles. Italiano111 ( talk) 16:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
The image gallery mainly repeats the images that are already in place. There is no extravalue. Because of the recommendations of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries the gallery has been removed. Italiano111 ( talk) 18:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the term "Republic of Greece" also be included in the infobox? I am looking at one of the 1980 passports of Greece, and the term "Hellenic Republic" is never mentioned. Instead, the passport only mentions "Republic of Greece". I believe it deserves at least a mention in the article, for instance "...or sometimes the Republic of Greece..." or something similar. -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 07:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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Just wanted to add the wiki page called "Tourism in Greece" under the #7 "See also"
Davegggg ( talk) 16:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
the link "Greek National Tourism Organisation" it is not correct someone has to change it to www.visitgreece.gr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliasfilis ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
In line with other articles, perhaps the etymology for Greece (and Hellas) should be entered into the article. Donquigleone ( talk) 03:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
http://nowandfutures.com/d2/Top50_CDS_Gross_notional20081031.htm Turkey holds most of CDS capital in the world. -- 212.54.222.187 ( talk) 13:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
There is no ethnic albanian minority in Hellas. It is not recognized by hellenic constitution. All albanians in Hellas are economic immigrants. They dont have hellenic citizenship. So correct this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.60.139 ( talk) 22:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello there! First of all let me express my opinion in regards with the images in Greece article: They are way too few, especially for the history and culture of this country taking into account also other countries articles. If you read other countries articles, you area amazed by the number of images ("sandwitched" or not, whatever that means:)). It is unclear why there are so few images, but I try to help this by adding and/or replacing a few. Two of those images show a) The AUEB university building and b) Egnatia Odos. The first is correctly placed in the Education section and its not about the building, i.e. whether is imressive or not (we are not trying to impress here, neither we are in a contest) but about a building of a university with rather great history. I just thought to add it as well. The second image shows Egnatia Odos and is correctly shown in the Transport Section. When the article says that "since the 80s the road network has been significantly modernized" and also refers to Egnatia Odos, I think its pretty straigh forward that you need to include a photo of this great road project, which is one of the greatest contruction projects carried out in Greece in the recent years, and certainly the greatest in terms of road contruction. Nochoje ( talk) 20:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Greece boarders FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Check the United Nations this is how they are recognized. So when the UN accepts the change the whole world will too!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Euro2004 ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
The name dispute is quite relevent when the map on the profile of Greece has Rep. Macedonia instead of F.Y.R.O.M, it suggests that wikipedia is politically motivated in doing so... furthermore it is offensive to Greeks from Macedonia and wikipedia should strictly use the title of F.Y.R.O.M instead of Rep. Macedonia, as recognised by the UN, due to the international nature of the site as well as its policy of "neutrality". Picking Republic of Macedonia is taking sides UN regulation is the norm. 92.236.81.144 ( talk) 20:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)ΑΚΕΡΣΕΚΩΜΙΣ
after reading "the see this" section it only reaffirms that FYROM is the norm and the fact that many countries have recognised it in bilateral relations as Rep. Macedonia dose not mean that they have recognised it in international talks as even the US reffers to FYROM as FYROM in international organisations such as the UN, NATO, WTO etc... Do you need to better understand the procedure and precedent basis of international law, in order to understand that the countries that have recognised FYROM as Rep. Macedonia have done so only on a bilateral basis and not on the intrnational level! so you are wrong and in fact i think you should change the bloody name on the map since the page concerns Greece and not FYROM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.81.144 ( talk • contribs) at 00:49, 21 March 2011.
A Google search on FYROM and on Republic of Macedonia brings up the same volume of results. How was the later deemed to be more popular? Country names, like country boarders are claimed by the countries themselves, but are established and legalised by international convention, like the UN. A country might have heroes, but the rest of the world can call them criminals. It is irrelevant if Greece wants to call them Skopians, while they call themselves Macedonians. UN is the arbiter and for the time being, the country's name is FYROM. The less bias wiki is the more accurate it will be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.241.16 ( talk) 22:55, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
On what basis the percentage of 4% of Albanian ethnic population is attributed to Greece ? Although this percentage is presented as reliable information, there is no apparent source to support this claim. The 4% figure should be revised as there is no such minority in this country. Temporary foreign workers with Albanian passports or unauthorized immigrants of the same ethnicity should not be confused with resident ethnic groups, as this assumption may consist a serious challenge of the actual identity of the Greek population today and at the same time may put in question the impartiality of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by COSKAND ( talk • contribs) 07:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
According to the logic and statistic results coming from the above mentioned services, half of Greece’s population should be foreigners, speaking tens of languages, –at least during the summer months- as the entire country is overwhelmingly invaded by a multitude of millions, consisted by either regular tourists, illegal immigrants, seasonal workers and many other categories of temporary visitors. 'Ethnic groups' should indeed refer to the dominant ETHNIC groups in the country, no doubt that language is one of the main ways of determining them, therefore ETHNICITY statistics should refer ONLY to the registered citizens of the country bearing the country’s passport and if as mentioned, this figure of 4% “does not constitute a 'minority'” , then why is it still appearing in the Wikipedia front page as if a large ETHNIC minority existed among the Greek population ? Is it placed there only to state Albania’s temporary workers for some reason? Please do all necessary to remove this doubtful statistic figure as it seems much bigger than the total of all the permanent ethnic minorities together in the entire country, which sum around 2%.
That section is referring to the ethnic makeup of those resident in Greece regardless of citizenship. While that may be ambiguous in this article, it is clearer in articles of other countries where there is a much larger percentage of resident foreign nationals.-- Ptolion ( talk) 12:48, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/01/us-albania-greece-migrants-idUSTRE6503WB20100601 http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/06/21/feature-06
Reaper7 ( talk) 18:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
As it known citizenhip groups and ethnic groups are 2 different things and one could be Spanish from Moldova. In Demographics paragraph is already written that 94% were Greek citizens, 4 Albanian and etc. and after that there is no reason this list to remain in the infobox as it only confuses. Naming all Greek citizens ethnic Greeks or Albanian ethnic Albanians or any isn't incorrect for encyclopedia? Pensionero (UTC)
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May I offer some light on the matter. The census of 2001 found that there wew circa 11m citizens living in Greece 98% being Greek and 2% of muslim minority in Thrace Only.The reality is that no other resident was acounted for at the time. Albanians and all other residents (Philipinos, Chinese, Pakistani & Westerners) therefore dont help to make up the 11m figure. There is no doubt that these people are there however and will have to be accounted in addition to the 11m. Therefore the true population in Greece maybe 12m or 13m depending on which report you beleive is the closest to the true figure — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.177.129.210 ( talk) 14:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Events that happened after 2000 are listed under "20th Century". This should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.189.162.6 ( talk) 17:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
"A developed country with an advanced,[14][15] high-income economy .." Time to re-write this characterization of the country's economy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.68.37.190 ( talk) 02:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I think that this is reasonably misleading to have the lead paragraph without the context that this is an IMF category. At least, the qualifier that this is nomenclature / categorisation used by the IMF would be useful here, because the Economy of Greece would not really be described as "far on or ahead in development or progress" as advanced is usually defined (by the OED), and it is misleading to readers who want a quick overview of the country. Also, I think the IMF's position on the economy of Greece may have changed since April. Do we have a more up to date source about what the IMF thinks of the Economy of Greece? I think it should be removed, what do others think? 121.98.83.76 ( talk) 09:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC) Edit I see this was mentioned further up the page, and poorly articulated. My suggestion is not that it is deleted, because obviously the IMF is one of the benchmarks for such definitions. Rather, it should not be in the lead, or at least if it is to remain there it should be qualified. 121.98.83.76 ( talk) 09:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should mention what the population of Greece is in the opening paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.160.104.146 ( talk) 03:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Since the latest events, name should be changed to Hellenic Police State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obiectum ( talk • contribs) 08:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Original: "In 2009, Greece had the EU's second lowest Index of Economic Freedom (after Poland), ranking 81st in the world.[51]"
While I would strongly suggest removing this sentence (on grounds that its implication is biased and controversial, and it comes from two extremely conservative sources that themselves are highly controversial), this is a suggested edit if it is to remain:
"The Heritage Foundation( a conservative think tank) and the Wall St. Journal publish an Index of Economic Freedom. While the correlation between this index and economic prosperity is controversial, in 2009 Greece ranked the second lowest...etc."
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According to what Police state is and how Rome is ruled now government of greece should change to police state. From Police state wikipedia The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.
88.218.234.166 ( talk) 00:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel that a couple of pre-1821 historical events from Greek history should be added in infobox (for example fall of the Byz. Empire, or the Golden Age of Pericles). This is in accordance with most country infoboxes that include events before their Independence (Germany with the HRE, France with Francia, Bulgaria with the Medieval Bulgarian State). Alexikoua ( talk) 23:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
(unindent) That looks good to me. The only issue I have is with the 1 January 1822 date. I mean, I know that's when an assembly of some sort declared independence, but as we all know the 25th March 1821 is by far the most well-known date. From a technical point of view 1 January 1822 may be more correct, but after all the rebels in 1821 declared something. They didn't just take up arms for no reason. Athenean ( talk) 23:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Is there a source that describes the Hellenic League as a "state"? I think it's quite problematic to call it the first unified "state". I would suggest that it would be better to replace it with something like the Great Amphictyonic League and call it the first pan-Hellenic political union. DeCausa ( talk) 09:46, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
In the origin section we have "These names in turn trace their origin from Graecus, the Latin adaptation of the Greek name Γραικός, which means 'Greek' but its etymology remains uncertain". The etymology is not certain (far from uncertain though) but the phrase makes the reader think there's no known etymology for the name. The name is related to the tribe of the Graekoi, most probably connected to the region of Graea. If Graekoi are connected to Graea, then its etymology is related to "old".
Specifically:
- γραία (Ionic γραιή) = old woman
- γραϊκός = belonging to the elder woman
- γραίος = old, palaic (masc)
- Γραίκες = mothers of the Greeks
Basically, with a quick search on google books there are tons of references to add, concerning this issue.
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Fkitselis ( talk) 15:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is about Greece the nation-state, I am not sure we need such a large section on the name. Perhaps a quick reference is enough with a link to the relevant name article? Politis ( talk) 21:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, reduced text to more realistic proportions and added relevant link. Politis ( talk) 07:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
I really cant understand Athenean and Alexikoua. The first remove a photo because its "aestheatically" not good and the second because it has "nothing to offer". The first photo is a photo of a snow covered mountain in Epirus. Not only it shows to the reader that Greece is not only sea and sun, but also introduces to Epirus area through the photo. Aesthetically I dont think is that bad, but again this subject is debadable. The photo has been there for at least a few weeks and it was accepted. The second photo, is a photo of a major Greek hospital to support the new section "Healthcare in Greece". What is wrong to add a photo that supports the article section, especially when there is no similar one? Thanks for reading. Nochoje ( talk) 18:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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Who decided to put this article in 'pending changes'. And who is responsible for accepting or rejecting the new edits? Politis ( talk) 22:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
There is a political map of Greece in the Geography section, which, when clicked, takes one to a significantly different version of the map. This is completely counterintuitive and should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.187.144 ( talk) 22:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I've re-semiprotected this page, given the persistent vandalisms dealing mainly with the name of the Republic of Macedonia. I fail and the reason should be "Repeated ip-hopping vandalism related to the name of the Republic of Macedonia after a year of semi-protection. Looks like it has to be long-term protected, sadly." year, not hour. Thought I'd write it up somewhere, and yes, the heat must have done something to my brain for not being able to do one clean protection out of three tries :P Snowolf How can I help? 17:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Is there such a thing as a "healthy Mediterranean diet". That sounds like POV to me. I have read recent reports suggesting that the typical Mediterranean diet isn't healthy at all. JohnC ( talk) 06:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The map 'territorial gains until 1947' shows Western Thrace as coming under Greek rule in 1923, whereas other sources indicate that the date should be 1920. Both Eastern and Western Thrace were acquired by Greece in 1919-1920, and then Eastern Thrace reverted to Turkey in 1923 (correctly shown on map) -- per the Encyclopaedia Britannica entry for 'Thrace' and the Wikipedia article on Thrace. Uranian Institute ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC).
Why is the National Anthem transliterated as "Ýmnos eis tīn Eleftherían"? Even in the polytonic script, the pronunciation is "Ýmnos is tin Eleftherían". Keep in mind that this is Modern Greek and not Ancient Greek. The anthem was written in 1823, therefore Modern Greek phonology and transliteration applies. And even in Ancient Greek your transliteration is wrong, since "η" would be [ē] and not [ī]. Philly boy92 ( talk) 13:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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Please change the name of the country "Republic of Macedonia". It is not recognised from Greece. The correct name is: "Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia".
178.59.83.109 ( talk) 13:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Please See Here Carl Sixsmith ( talk) 13:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Ι think the name has to bee as it is Yes,Greece will never recognize a fake state with this name, even if the whole world does, but wiki is for "the whole world" Greco22 ( talk) 16:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I think we ve got a little problem.too many and irrelevant photos.With your permission co-editors may i put in order? :) Greco22 ( talk) 14:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
for example...full moon over oia? athens concert hall?(actually is private organization,not public such is the national theate for example) panachaiko range? and others
plus,as appears the article right now many photos are at irrelevant sections(the photos of transport are at immigration section for example)
and the structure...why the empty space before demographics?
Im not against photographs, actually I want them a lot and if you see i ve decorated most of greek articles which were "empty" but...as it is "greece" right now ....1)the reader feels uncomfortable of the many photos around the text and 2)the article seems a little bit ugly
why dont you use my version adding the pictures that you like mostly from the previous? Greco22 ( talk) 15:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
The population of Greece is 11,420,000 according to latest estimations. Just add the population of the 13 administrative regions of the country and you 'll find that out! Well, the difference between 11.3 million and 11.4 million isn't really big, but it would be nice to be more accurate... And after all, since I am greek and I live in Athens, I have to say that I feel that today's population must be quite bigger than 11.4 million, because there are not just thousands, but millions of immigrants from all over the world in our country and those people aren't included in those data! So, the total population of Greece must be about 13 or even 14 million... Anyway, next year (aka 2011) there is the next official census taking place, so we 'll see exactly at what range the total population is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.255.71 ( talk) 11:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The name Macedonia refers to the wider area of northern Greece, west of Thrace, inhabited by Greek people since the ancient times. The neighbor country named Macedonia in this article has not been officially recognized by that name; currently it is identified as Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia (aka FYROM), and refers to a totally different nation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dozius ( talk • contribs) 09:11, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
In the article it is written "The Jewish community in Greece traditionally spoke Ladino (Judeo-Spanish), today maintained only by a small group of a few thousand speakers." I would like to add that the jewish community in greece was/is also represented by the Romaniotes. Their languages were Yevanic, a Greek dialect, and Greek. Check the wiki article "Romaniotes" and the wiki article on "History of the Jews in Greece". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.189.22 ( talk) 01:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
This map has mistakes and the areas of the map dont fit exactly with the link of the europe ethnologue map which is given(for example shows arvanitika speaken at whole Attica and even at the city of Athens)
Maybe the user Future Perf. had some cretaive inspiration.I think he forgot 15 serbians in Kalamata and 3 jews in Karditsa. It would be better to edit a map about the slavic-speaking Germany (the half country) Greco22 ( talk) 02:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
The final draft of the recent immigration law requires a five-year long legal presence in Greece for both parents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.186.139 ( talk) 07:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Greco22 you are deleting photos from the Gallery with no reason and keep adding other photos. If you want to add your photos, do it, but its wrong to delete the photos that already exist there and are photos showing Greece (the Gallery is about Greece remember) and not nude women, cars, ships or something else irrelevant. Please stop doing that. Avionics1980 ( talk) 17:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi there,sorry but where do you see nude women,cars,ships? etc...I hope your pc is ok
Your fotos are completely irrelevant,is it "greece" the congress center in tinos or the court house in chania?or even the statue of bouboulina in spetses? and it is not mystras palace as you said?
are you trolling us? :) i saw that user:Gregorik wrote that you bandalized the article of Hungary So what is your purpose? I think a more experienced user could help us... Greco22 ( talk) 17:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
As far as Gregorik and Hungary, you should know better. The only entry I did for Hungary article was to remove a Wikipedia Spam List reference (see International Living Website) and more specifically their so-called Quality of Life Index, which is the most biased piece of material that one could site on Wikipedia. This is a well known and accepted fact in the Wikipedia community and no one references this site in Wikipedia. Hungary could not be the exception. Avionics1980 ( talk) 18:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
My thoughts: I believe we can leave the amount of photos. There are other Wikipedia articles about countries with much, much more photos than Greece article in the point actually that you think if its an Encyclopedia article or a Lonely Planet tourist guide. Also the photos on those articles are spread across the article and not in Gallery as in Greece. So i think its fine to include this amount of photos. Greece article cant be the exception. If we want less photos, then we have to remove from other articles as well. I also think that the pupropse of the gallery is to include photos of Greece. No one can specify what is representative of a country. Some can say it is the Isthmus channel some might say a sandy beach in Skiathos. In fact I would go with the beaches since Greece is the place of the beaches, while the Isthmus Channel is neither a representative of Greece per se, nor the greatest technologival marvel that Greece can show. And that is my point. No one can judge on what is representative. So i think we should treat the Gallery what is intented for: The term "Gallery" implies photos. Relevant photos of the subject we are discussing: Greece. Photos about Greece. Landscapes about Greece, monuments about Greece, buildings in Greece, beaches in Greece, etc etc. Avionics1980 ( talk) 19:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Is Greece not a protectorate of the European Union? If not officially then atleast by convention. This does not seem to be covered. MrTranscript ( talk) 17:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries, a Gallery is not part of country articles. Italiano111 ( talk) 16:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
The image gallery mainly repeats the images that are already in place. There is no extravalue. Because of the recommendations of Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries the gallery has been removed. Italiano111 ( talk) 18:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the term "Republic of Greece" also be included in the infobox? I am looking at one of the 1980 passports of Greece, and the term "Hellenic Republic" is never mentioned. Instead, the passport only mentions "Republic of Greece". I believe it deserves at least a mention in the article, for instance "...or sometimes the Republic of Greece..." or something similar. -- Philly boy92 ( talk) 07:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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Just wanted to add the wiki page called "Tourism in Greece" under the #7 "See also"
Davegggg ( talk) 16:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
the link "Greek National Tourism Organisation" it is not correct someone has to change it to www.visitgreece.gr — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliasfilis ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
In line with other articles, perhaps the etymology for Greece (and Hellas) should be entered into the article. Donquigleone ( talk) 03:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
http://nowandfutures.com/d2/Top50_CDS_Gross_notional20081031.htm Turkey holds most of CDS capital in the world. -- 212.54.222.187 ( talk) 13:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
There is no ethnic albanian minority in Hellas. It is not recognized by hellenic constitution. All albanians in Hellas are economic immigrants. They dont have hellenic citizenship. So correct this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.60.139 ( talk) 22:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello there! First of all let me express my opinion in regards with the images in Greece article: They are way too few, especially for the history and culture of this country taking into account also other countries articles. If you read other countries articles, you area amazed by the number of images ("sandwitched" or not, whatever that means:)). It is unclear why there are so few images, but I try to help this by adding and/or replacing a few. Two of those images show a) The AUEB university building and b) Egnatia Odos. The first is correctly placed in the Education section and its not about the building, i.e. whether is imressive or not (we are not trying to impress here, neither we are in a contest) but about a building of a university with rather great history. I just thought to add it as well. The second image shows Egnatia Odos and is correctly shown in the Transport Section. When the article says that "since the 80s the road network has been significantly modernized" and also refers to Egnatia Odos, I think its pretty straigh forward that you need to include a photo of this great road project, which is one of the greatest contruction projects carried out in Greece in the recent years, and certainly the greatest in terms of road contruction. Nochoje ( talk) 20:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Greece boarders FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. Check the United Nations this is how they are recognized. So when the UN accepts the change the whole world will too!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Euro2004 ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
The name dispute is quite relevent when the map on the profile of Greece has Rep. Macedonia instead of F.Y.R.O.M, it suggests that wikipedia is politically motivated in doing so... furthermore it is offensive to Greeks from Macedonia and wikipedia should strictly use the title of F.Y.R.O.M instead of Rep. Macedonia, as recognised by the UN, due to the international nature of the site as well as its policy of "neutrality". Picking Republic of Macedonia is taking sides UN regulation is the norm. 92.236.81.144 ( talk) 20:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)ΑΚΕΡΣΕΚΩΜΙΣ
after reading "the see this" section it only reaffirms that FYROM is the norm and the fact that many countries have recognised it in bilateral relations as Rep. Macedonia dose not mean that they have recognised it in international talks as even the US reffers to FYROM as FYROM in international organisations such as the UN, NATO, WTO etc... Do you need to better understand the procedure and precedent basis of international law, in order to understand that the countries that have recognised FYROM as Rep. Macedonia have done so only on a bilateral basis and not on the intrnational level! so you are wrong and in fact i think you should change the bloody name on the map since the page concerns Greece and not FYROM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.81.144 ( talk • contribs) at 00:49, 21 March 2011.
A Google search on FYROM and on Republic of Macedonia brings up the same volume of results. How was the later deemed to be more popular? Country names, like country boarders are claimed by the countries themselves, but are established and legalised by international convention, like the UN. A country might have heroes, but the rest of the world can call them criminals. It is irrelevant if Greece wants to call them Skopians, while they call themselves Macedonians. UN is the arbiter and for the time being, the country's name is FYROM. The less bias wiki is the more accurate it will be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.241.16 ( talk) 22:55, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
On what basis the percentage of 4% of Albanian ethnic population is attributed to Greece ? Although this percentage is presented as reliable information, there is no apparent source to support this claim. The 4% figure should be revised as there is no such minority in this country. Temporary foreign workers with Albanian passports or unauthorized immigrants of the same ethnicity should not be confused with resident ethnic groups, as this assumption may consist a serious challenge of the actual identity of the Greek population today and at the same time may put in question the impartiality of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by COSKAND ( talk • contribs) 07:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
According to the logic and statistic results coming from the above mentioned services, half of Greece’s population should be foreigners, speaking tens of languages, –at least during the summer months- as the entire country is overwhelmingly invaded by a multitude of millions, consisted by either regular tourists, illegal immigrants, seasonal workers and many other categories of temporary visitors. 'Ethnic groups' should indeed refer to the dominant ETHNIC groups in the country, no doubt that language is one of the main ways of determining them, therefore ETHNICITY statistics should refer ONLY to the registered citizens of the country bearing the country’s passport and if as mentioned, this figure of 4% “does not constitute a 'minority'” , then why is it still appearing in the Wikipedia front page as if a large ETHNIC minority existed among the Greek population ? Is it placed there only to state Albania’s temporary workers for some reason? Please do all necessary to remove this doubtful statistic figure as it seems much bigger than the total of all the permanent ethnic minorities together in the entire country, which sum around 2%.
That section is referring to the ethnic makeup of those resident in Greece regardless of citizenship. While that may be ambiguous in this article, it is clearer in articles of other countries where there is a much larger percentage of resident foreign nationals.-- Ptolion ( talk) 12:48, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/06/01/us-albania-greece-migrants-idUSTRE6503WB20100601 http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2011/06/21/feature-06
Reaper7 ( talk) 18:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
As it known citizenhip groups and ethnic groups are 2 different things and one could be Spanish from Moldova. In Demographics paragraph is already written that 94% were Greek citizens, 4 Albanian and etc. and after that there is no reason this list to remain in the infobox as it only confuses. Naming all Greek citizens ethnic Greeks or Albanian ethnic Albanians or any isn't incorrect for encyclopedia? Pensionero (UTC)
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May I offer some light on the matter. The census of 2001 found that there wew circa 11m citizens living in Greece 98% being Greek and 2% of muslim minority in Thrace Only.The reality is that no other resident was acounted for at the time. Albanians and all other residents (Philipinos, Chinese, Pakistani & Westerners) therefore dont help to make up the 11m figure. There is no doubt that these people are there however and will have to be accounted in addition to the 11m. Therefore the true population in Greece maybe 12m or 13m depending on which report you beleive is the closest to the true figure — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.177.129.210 ( talk) 14:26, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Events that happened after 2000 are listed under "20th Century". This should be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.189.162.6 ( talk) 17:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
"A developed country with an advanced,[14][15] high-income economy .." Time to re-write this characterization of the country's economy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.68.37.190 ( talk) 02:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I think that this is reasonably misleading to have the lead paragraph without the context that this is an IMF category. At least, the qualifier that this is nomenclature / categorisation used by the IMF would be useful here, because the Economy of Greece would not really be described as "far on or ahead in development or progress" as advanced is usually defined (by the OED), and it is misleading to readers who want a quick overview of the country. Also, I think the IMF's position on the economy of Greece may have changed since April. Do we have a more up to date source about what the IMF thinks of the Economy of Greece? I think it should be removed, what do others think? 121.98.83.76 ( talk) 09:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC) Edit I see this was mentioned further up the page, and poorly articulated. My suggestion is not that it is deleted, because obviously the IMF is one of the benchmarks for such definitions. Rather, it should not be in the lead, or at least if it is to remain there it should be qualified. 121.98.83.76 ( talk) 09:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should mention what the population of Greece is in the opening paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.160.104.146 ( talk) 03:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Since the latest events, name should be changed to Hellenic Police State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obiectum ( talk • contribs) 08:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Original: "In 2009, Greece had the EU's second lowest Index of Economic Freedom (after Poland), ranking 81st in the world.[51]"
While I would strongly suggest removing this sentence (on grounds that its implication is biased and controversial, and it comes from two extremely conservative sources that themselves are highly controversial), this is a suggested edit if it is to remain:
"The Heritage Foundation( a conservative think tank) and the Wall St. Journal publish an Index of Economic Freedom. While the correlation between this index and economic prosperity is controversial, in 2009 Greece ranked the second lowest...etc."
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According to what Police state is and how Rome is ruled now government of greece should change to police state. From Police state wikipedia The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.
88.218.234.166 ( talk) 00:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel that a couple of pre-1821 historical events from Greek history should be added in infobox (for example fall of the Byz. Empire, or the Golden Age of Pericles). This is in accordance with most country infoboxes that include events before their Independence (Germany with the HRE, France with Francia, Bulgaria with the Medieval Bulgarian State). Alexikoua ( talk) 23:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
(unindent) That looks good to me. The only issue I have is with the 1 January 1822 date. I mean, I know that's when an assembly of some sort declared independence, but as we all know the 25th March 1821 is by far the most well-known date. From a technical point of view 1 January 1822 may be more correct, but after all the rebels in 1821 declared something. They didn't just take up arms for no reason. Athenean ( talk) 23:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Is there a source that describes the Hellenic League as a "state"? I think it's quite problematic to call it the first unified "state". I would suggest that it would be better to replace it with something like the Great Amphictyonic League and call it the first pan-Hellenic political union. DeCausa ( talk) 09:46, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
In the origin section we have "These names in turn trace their origin from Graecus, the Latin adaptation of the Greek name Γραικός, which means 'Greek' but its etymology remains uncertain". The etymology is not certain (far from uncertain though) but the phrase makes the reader think there's no known etymology for the name. The name is related to the tribe of the Graekoi, most probably connected to the region of Graea. If Graekoi are connected to Graea, then its etymology is related to "old".
Specifically:
- γραία (Ionic γραιή) = old woman
- γραϊκός = belonging to the elder woman
- γραίος = old, palaic (masc)
- Γραίκες = mothers of the Greeks
Basically, with a quick search on google books there are tons of references to add, concerning this issue.
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Fkitselis ( talk) 15:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
This article is about Greece the nation-state, I am not sure we need such a large section on the name. Perhaps a quick reference is enough with a link to the relevant name article? Politis ( talk) 21:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, reduced text to more realistic proportions and added relevant link. Politis ( talk) 07:35, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
I really cant understand Athenean and Alexikoua. The first remove a photo because its "aestheatically" not good and the second because it has "nothing to offer". The first photo is a photo of a snow covered mountain in Epirus. Not only it shows to the reader that Greece is not only sea and sun, but also introduces to Epirus area through the photo. Aesthetically I dont think is that bad, but again this subject is debadable. The photo has been there for at least a few weeks and it was accepted. The second photo, is a photo of a major Greek hospital to support the new section "Healthcare in Greece". What is wrong to add a photo that supports the article section, especially when there is no similar one? Thanks for reading. Nochoje ( talk) 18:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)