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The NY Times article was misinterpreted and wrestling was not eliminated from the Olympics. The Olympics have a core of 25 sports which is constantly in flux in order to stay relevant. When the NYT article was written the IOC decided to shortlist wrestling, not remove it entirely. At the IOC's meeting in Sept. wrestling was added as an additional sport along with two others. My question, is the Olympic status relevant? I updated the article with ref to the IOC's own news briefs but I'm not sure it should even be mentioned. -- 24.250.30.244 ( talk) 00:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the legend. I cut the lines about the old idea that the style was created in France and by French athletes. Unfortunately, if we ignore the campanilism, there is no evidence to demonstrate this. The oldest french writings and rules about wrestling were created by foreigners, above all by European immigrants during the 16th-17th century. Also we know that during the first Olympic games even the sportman Pierre Fredi DeCoubertin called it Greco-Roman wrestling (and not French wrestling). The story of the "French origin" started to circulate during the period of the Belle Epoque, when the "made in Paris" conquered the aristocrats of Europe. But "la lutte moderne" was not created by them. France had strong "lutteurs" only in Bretagne, specialized in the celtic back-hold wrestling style (Gouren), who often went to Paris to show their own skill. Because of this fact, many French thought that Greco-Romaine wrestling was created by them.
Where is the proof that GR is not French? And if that is true, were did GR come from? Ancient Greek wrestling allowed holds below the waist, and more closely resembled modern Turkish wrestling. Dan20001 ( talk) 16:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
For god shake, greco-roman wrestling is not french. When French enriched GR with rules, the sport did not lose its origin. First of all, the word roman in greek, does not refer to the Roman era. "Ρώμη" (pronounced as "romee" in greek) means physical strength and it is the second part of the word "Ελληνορωμαική" (greco-roman) which actually means greek phsyical strenght. This type of movements (that later were develloped into a sport) were taught to greek children as a mean of protection after the loss of ones sword in the battle. Secondly,we must underline that these techniques presented the readiness (for war) and the strenght of each man, so the were combined to a unifide form, the GR wrestling, which was considered a Olympic sport. Finally, the modern Turkish wrestling, combines movements where wrestlers can grap each-other's clothes (which is prohibited in GR). To sum up, Grecoroman wrestling is neither french nor Celtic; its origin is greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.38.188 ( talk) 14:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
This is silly. Every serious work on the subjects states that Greco-Roman is of French origin and the name was used to increase its popularity. Even FILA takes this viewpoint and has an article up about it on their website. It is coming across as if a Nationalistic Greek is trying to rewrite history the way this article is being locked to say GR is of Greek origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.192.214 ( talk) 14:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible for someone to change the Parenthood section to "various continental european folk wrestling"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.53.0.152 ( talk) 21:01, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Is this a college sport? If not, how do guys get started in it?
The text reads: "This form of wrestling was believed to have adapted from the Ancient Greek style of wrestling and to have been practiced mostly by Roman soldiers throughout the empire. In fact, it is derived from a 19th Century French form of show-wrestling popular for its high throws. Real ancient wrestling was quite different; see pankration." In fact,Pankration and wrestling were separate sports in ancient olympic games. This part of the text isn't exactly pertinent I think. XVA 10:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Seems the notes are get cumbersome on the page. A drop-down list would be a solution. Is that an option?-- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article that Greco-Roman and Freestyle are the two styles of wrestling practiced at the Olympics. That's incorrect, there is also Judo, which is also an Olympic Sport. I'm making the necessary changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.54.224 ( talk) 01:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
But Judo is not regulated by FILA, the international governing body for amateur wrestling. Judo is in the Olympics, and there is grappling involved, but since it's not regulated by FILA, it would be more precise to identify it as grappling, not wrestling, per se. Wikiman86 ( talk) 17:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Who are some notable female wrestlers? The current list is all dudes, it could do with some ladies too. IrishStephen ( talk) 01:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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The NY Times article was misinterpreted and wrestling was not eliminated from the Olympics. The Olympics have a core of 25 sports which is constantly in flux in order to stay relevant. When the NYT article was written the IOC decided to shortlist wrestling, not remove it entirely. At the IOC's meeting in Sept. wrestling was added as an additional sport along with two others. My question, is the Olympic status relevant? I updated the article with ref to the IOC's own news briefs but I'm not sure it should even be mentioned. -- 24.250.30.244 ( talk) 00:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I deleted the legend. I cut the lines about the old idea that the style was created in France and by French athletes. Unfortunately, if we ignore the campanilism, there is no evidence to demonstrate this. The oldest french writings and rules about wrestling were created by foreigners, above all by European immigrants during the 16th-17th century. Also we know that during the first Olympic games even the sportman Pierre Fredi DeCoubertin called it Greco-Roman wrestling (and not French wrestling). The story of the "French origin" started to circulate during the period of the Belle Epoque, when the "made in Paris" conquered the aristocrats of Europe. But "la lutte moderne" was not created by them. France had strong "lutteurs" only in Bretagne, specialized in the celtic back-hold wrestling style (Gouren), who often went to Paris to show their own skill. Because of this fact, many French thought that Greco-Romaine wrestling was created by them.
Where is the proof that GR is not French? And if that is true, were did GR come from? Ancient Greek wrestling allowed holds below the waist, and more closely resembled modern Turkish wrestling. Dan20001 ( talk) 16:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
For god shake, greco-roman wrestling is not french. When French enriched GR with rules, the sport did not lose its origin. First of all, the word roman in greek, does not refer to the Roman era. "Ρώμη" (pronounced as "romee" in greek) means physical strength and it is the second part of the word "Ελληνορωμαική" (greco-roman) which actually means greek phsyical strenght. This type of movements (that later were develloped into a sport) were taught to greek children as a mean of protection after the loss of ones sword in the battle. Secondly,we must underline that these techniques presented the readiness (for war) and the strenght of each man, so the were combined to a unifide form, the GR wrestling, which was considered a Olympic sport. Finally, the modern Turkish wrestling, combines movements where wrestlers can grap each-other's clothes (which is prohibited in GR). To sum up, Grecoroman wrestling is neither french nor Celtic; its origin is greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.38.188 ( talk) 14:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
This is silly. Every serious work on the subjects states that Greco-Roman is of French origin and the name was used to increase its popularity. Even FILA takes this viewpoint and has an article up about it on their website. It is coming across as if a Nationalistic Greek is trying to rewrite history the way this article is being locked to say GR is of Greek origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.192.214 ( talk) 14:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible for someone to change the Parenthood section to "various continental european folk wrestling"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.53.0.152 ( talk) 21:01, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Is this a college sport? If not, how do guys get started in it?
The text reads: "This form of wrestling was believed to have adapted from the Ancient Greek style of wrestling and to have been practiced mostly by Roman soldiers throughout the empire. In fact, it is derived from a 19th Century French form of show-wrestling popular for its high throws. Real ancient wrestling was quite different; see pankration." In fact,Pankration and wrestling were separate sports in ancient olympic games. This part of the text isn't exactly pertinent I think. XVA 10:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Seems the notes are get cumbersome on the page. A drop-down list would be a solution. Is that an option?-- THE FOUNDERS INTENT TALK 23:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article that Greco-Roman and Freestyle are the two styles of wrestling practiced at the Olympics. That's incorrect, there is also Judo, which is also an Olympic Sport. I'm making the necessary changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.54.224 ( talk) 01:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
But Judo is not regulated by FILA, the international governing body for amateur wrestling. Judo is in the Olympics, and there is grappling involved, but since it's not regulated by FILA, it would be more precise to identify it as grappling, not wrestling, per se. Wikiman86 ( talk) 17:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Alphabetical list of nations with "National championship"s.
(National champions are listed within each section) :
This incomplete list I have placed here, so that a wikipedian can, in the future, make a seperate "article-stub" (or a related one).
(If fine wikipedians can not straighten out, any problem as indicated above, then maybe nobody can?)
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Who are some notable female wrestlers? The current list is all dudes, it could do with some ladies too. IrishStephen ( talk) 01:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
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