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Should mention of the Federation Generation terminology and the references for this terminology be deleted from this article? This includes removing "Federation Generation" from the sentence in the lead which lists other names for the demographic cohort and also deleting this paragraph from the body of the article:
"McCrindle Research expanded on Howe's work and uses the term Federation Generation to describe
Australian members of this cohort, born between 1901–1924, "a time of peace when Australia finally secured nationhood" who came of age during The
Great Depression and WWII and experienced post-war prosperity in midlife."
[1]
[2]
References
RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 23:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC). 15:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I have added a neutral notification to the Australia project page Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#RFC_on_Talk:G.I._Generation#RFC_about_the_Federation_Generation_terminology but am not sure how to include it in the RFC notifications sections. Dom from Paris ( talk) 11:35, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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Binksternet: I tried looking at the old talk pages here and for The Greatest Generation article, but it's still unclear to me how this article was named. It appears to me that this generation is usually called The Greatest Generation.
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5] And I don't understand why the Australian cohort is called the "Federation Generation"; The Australian Bureau of Statistics calls it the "Frugal Generation"
[6]. Do you remember how it was decided to call this cohort the G.I. Generation? Maybe it's time to reevaluate.
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
06:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I think I see what happened now; in 2016 the G.I. Generation page, which had been just a redirect, was expanded into a full article about the cohort, and then in 2018 you made the proposal to merge this article with The Greatest Generation article, which has not happened. I would propose that the content of this article about the cohort should be under the name The Greatest Generation, with a hatnote redirecting to an article about the Tom Brokaw book. G.I. Generation could either redirect to The Greatest Generation article or the Strauss-Howe Generational theory article. How does that sound?
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
22:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Greatest Generation which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Kolya Butternut ( talk) 18:30, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
To the IPs who geolocate to the same location, please stop adding unreferenced content to the notable people section. Unreferenced content was tagged in that section as needing a citation and after a year with no sources provided it was removed by User:Binksternet [7]. If you want to add individuals to the notable people section, please provide a reference that indicates they are a notable figure in their generation. DynaGirl ( talk) 18:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Can we eliminate the Notable People section? One author cannot decide who is a notable member of a generation. I think we should keep this consistent with WP Millennials, etc, and not list members.
MelanieN, the IP is adding content to the notable people section again. Could you restore the protected status?
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
21:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Greatest Generation which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Greatest Generation. We have consensus that this is the common name for the generation, and that it's the primary topic of that name. The dab page will be moved accordingly. Cúchullain t/ c 15:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
G.I. Generation →
Greatest Generation (cohort) – Per
WP:RS, the "Greatest Generation" is the
WP:COMMONNAME for the generational cohort born before the Silent Generation.
The New York Times,
Time magazine,
the Pew Research Center,
The Atlantic, and
Gallup all use the "Greatest Generation" to refer to the cohort. The table below shows that the Greatest Generation is much more popular than the G.I. Generation in searches of reliable sources.
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
06:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
"The Greatest Generation" | "The GI Generation" | |
---|---|---|
GBooks | 73,400 | 4,640 |
GNews | 41,600 | 388 |
GScholar | 8,530 | 1,140 |
JSTOR | 559 | 68 |
Typo: "Demographers William Stauss" should be "Strauss".
Inconsistency: Sibling generation pages have a section for "Date and age range definition(s)", but on this page similar content is included under the "Definition" section.
While this term is not popular outside of the US, it does exist:
Kolya Butternut ( talk) 01:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
removed original research statement in the lede, if anyone has articles that would say otherwise please add them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.43.88 ( talk) 02:47, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Someone vandalized this page and I don’t know how to get the original page back 75ki5j ( talk) 05:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Never mind someone fixed it 75ki5j ( talk) 05:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Exhibit from the University of Iowa: "Stories Worth Telling: Marking Twenty Years of 'The Greatest Generation'", September 7, 2018 – January 4, 2019
This is a summary of the book by Tom Brokaw which intends to hit on the major events for the generation: [9] Kolya Butternut ( talk) 11:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should mention of the Federation Generation terminology and the references for this terminology be deleted from this article? This includes removing "Federation Generation" from the sentence in the lead which lists other names for the demographic cohort and also deleting this paragraph from the body of the article:
"McCrindle Research expanded on Howe's work and uses the term Federation Generation to describe
Australian members of this cohort, born between 1901–1924, "a time of peace when Australia finally secured nationhood" who came of age during The
Great Depression and WWII and experienced post-war prosperity in midlife."
[1]
[2]
References
RfC relisted by Cunard ( talk) at 23:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC). 15:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I have added a neutral notification to the Australia project page Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#RFC_on_Talk:G.I._Generation#RFC_about_the_Federation_Generation_terminology but am not sure how to include it in the RFC notifications sections. Dom from Paris ( talk) 11:35, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@
Binksternet: I tried looking at the old talk pages here and for The Greatest Generation article, but it's still unclear to me how this article was named. It appears to me that this generation is usually called The Greatest Generation.
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5] And I don't understand why the Australian cohort is called the "Federation Generation"; The Australian Bureau of Statistics calls it the "Frugal Generation"
[6]. Do you remember how it was decided to call this cohort the G.I. Generation? Maybe it's time to reevaluate.
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
06:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I think I see what happened now; in 2016 the G.I. Generation page, which had been just a redirect, was expanded into a full article about the cohort, and then in 2018 you made the proposal to merge this article with The Greatest Generation article, which has not happened. I would propose that the content of this article about the cohort should be under the name The Greatest Generation, with a hatnote redirecting to an article about the Tom Brokaw book. G.I. Generation could either redirect to The Greatest Generation article or the Strauss-Howe Generational theory article. How does that sound?
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
22:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Greatest Generation which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Kolya Butternut ( talk) 18:30, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
To the IPs who geolocate to the same location, please stop adding unreferenced content to the notable people section. Unreferenced content was tagged in that section as needing a citation and after a year with no sources provided it was removed by User:Binksternet [7]. If you want to add individuals to the notable people section, please provide a reference that indicates they are a notable figure in their generation. DynaGirl ( talk) 18:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Can we eliminate the Notable People section? One author cannot decide who is a notable member of a generation. I think we should keep this consistent with WP Millennials, etc, and not list members.
MelanieN, the IP is adding content to the notable people section again. Could you restore the protected status?
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
21:49, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Greatest Generation which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Greatest Generation. We have consensus that this is the common name for the generation, and that it's the primary topic of that name. The dab page will be moved accordingly. Cúchullain t/ c 15:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
G.I. Generation →
Greatest Generation (cohort) – Per
WP:RS, the "Greatest Generation" is the
WP:COMMONNAME for the generational cohort born before the Silent Generation.
The New York Times,
Time magazine,
the Pew Research Center,
The Atlantic, and
Gallup all use the "Greatest Generation" to refer to the cohort. The table below shows that the Greatest Generation is much more popular than the G.I. Generation in searches of reliable sources.
Kolya Butternut (
talk)
06:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
"The Greatest Generation" | "The GI Generation" | |
---|---|---|
GBooks | 73,400 | 4,640 |
GNews | 41,600 | 388 |
GScholar | 8,530 | 1,140 |
JSTOR | 559 | 68 |
Typo: "Demographers William Stauss" should be "Strauss".
Inconsistency: Sibling generation pages have a section for "Date and age range definition(s)", but on this page similar content is included under the "Definition" section.
While this term is not popular outside of the US, it does exist:
Kolya Butternut ( talk) 01:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
removed original research statement in the lede, if anyone has articles that would say otherwise please add them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.43.88 ( talk) 02:47, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Someone vandalized this page and I don’t know how to get the original page back 75ki5j ( talk) 05:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Never mind someone fixed it 75ki5j ( talk) 05:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Exhibit from the University of Iowa: "Stories Worth Telling: Marking Twenty Years of 'The Greatest Generation'", September 7, 2018 – January 4, 2019
This is a summary of the book by Tom Brokaw which intends to hit on the major events for the generation: [9] Kolya Butternut ( talk) 11:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)