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Doesn't seem to pass the "capitalised The in running text" test; naming conventions would seem to apply. Alai 21:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 15:50, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 21:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Kimbles →
Great and Little Kimble — I believe that the article name Kimbles serves little purpose for this article, as nowhere are these villages officially known as Kimbles or The Kimbles. The civil parish is called
Great and Little Kimble, and this name incorporates everything that this article encompasses. I therefore believe that
Great and Little Kimble should be the correct location of this article.
role
player
18:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This article needs rewriting. Almost all the facts stated are incorrect. As the existing article needs to be almost completely deleted, the main errors are listed below, I am engaged on a re-writing of the article with references, but this will take a little time to complete. For the time being I have deleted the erroneous statements and re-written the lead and the section on the name.
It is many years since it was seriously thought that the name came from Cymbeline. The account of Cymbeline appears to be taken from Holinshed via Shakespeare and is not a modern historical view of the facts. Cymbeline is a 16th century English version of the name which the Romans (contemporarily) spelt Cunobelinus. In any case there is no reason to think that he had anything to do with Caligula's proposed invasion which never got farther than Boulogne nor with either of the Kimbles.
It was not the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Place Names which put forward the alternative explanation of the name. This was first published by Mawer & Stenton in The Place Names of Buckinghamshire in 1925. Beacon Hill is in the next parish (Ellesborough) while Pulpit Hill is in Great Kimble and is thought by the new Cambridge Dictionary of English Place Names (2004) to be probably the hill in question.
The earthworks near (not on) Beacon HIll formerly known as Cymbeline's Castle have nothing to do with Cymbeline. They are in fact the remains of a motte and bailey castle built by the Normans more than 1,000 years after his death. They also are in Ellesborough.
There are remains of another motte and bailey castle which is in Little Kimble and which needs to be mentioned, as does the large prehistoric hillfort at the top of Pulpit Hill, which is in Great Kimble. There are also the remains of a Roman villa at Little Kimble and a probably associated barrow near the church at Great Kimble.
The paintings in Little Kimble church were indeed covered during the Reformation but have been uncovered so far as possible relatively recently. The warrior with the red cross is not a crusader but St George himself (the church is dedicated to All Saints and many of the paintings were of saints, rather than scenes from the Bible and British history as stated).
The cross at Great Hampden does not mark the spot where payment of ship-money was refused but is a 19th century memorial to John Hampden himself erected there because it was his family seat. The tradition that payment was refused at Great Kimble (mentioned by Carlisle) deserves to be re-stated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Waysider1925 ( talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Waysider1925 ( talk) 18:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved by Samee ( talk · contribs) as unopposed RM. ( non-admin closure) Crouch, Swale ( talk) 17:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Great and Little Kimble →
Great and Little Kimble cum Marsh – Per the
Ordnance Survey this is the current name of the civil parish. The parish council was
renamed in 2009 which presumably also applied to the civil parish, since it mentions about the notification to the OS which would apply to the civil parish, not its council (which can call itself what it wants).
Crouch, Swale (
talk)
13:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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Doesn't seem to pass the "capitalised The in running text" test; naming conventions would seem to apply. Alai 21:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 15:50, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 21:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Kimbles →
Great and Little Kimble — I believe that the article name Kimbles serves little purpose for this article, as nowhere are these villages officially known as Kimbles or The Kimbles. The civil parish is called
Great and Little Kimble, and this name incorporates everything that this article encompasses. I therefore believe that
Great and Little Kimble should be the correct location of this article.
role
player
18:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
This article needs rewriting. Almost all the facts stated are incorrect. As the existing article needs to be almost completely deleted, the main errors are listed below, I am engaged on a re-writing of the article with references, but this will take a little time to complete. For the time being I have deleted the erroneous statements and re-written the lead and the section on the name.
It is many years since it was seriously thought that the name came from Cymbeline. The account of Cymbeline appears to be taken from Holinshed via Shakespeare and is not a modern historical view of the facts. Cymbeline is a 16th century English version of the name which the Romans (contemporarily) spelt Cunobelinus. In any case there is no reason to think that he had anything to do with Caligula's proposed invasion which never got farther than Boulogne nor with either of the Kimbles.
It was not the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Place Names which put forward the alternative explanation of the name. This was first published by Mawer & Stenton in The Place Names of Buckinghamshire in 1925. Beacon Hill is in the next parish (Ellesborough) while Pulpit Hill is in Great Kimble and is thought by the new Cambridge Dictionary of English Place Names (2004) to be probably the hill in question.
The earthworks near (not on) Beacon HIll formerly known as Cymbeline's Castle have nothing to do with Cymbeline. They are in fact the remains of a motte and bailey castle built by the Normans more than 1,000 years after his death. They also are in Ellesborough.
There are remains of another motte and bailey castle which is in Little Kimble and which needs to be mentioned, as does the large prehistoric hillfort at the top of Pulpit Hill, which is in Great Kimble. There are also the remains of a Roman villa at Little Kimble and a probably associated barrow near the church at Great Kimble.
The paintings in Little Kimble church were indeed covered during the Reformation but have been uncovered so far as possible relatively recently. The warrior with the red cross is not a crusader but St George himself (the church is dedicated to All Saints and many of the paintings were of saints, rather than scenes from the Bible and British history as stated).
The cross at Great Hampden does not mark the spot where payment of ship-money was refused but is a 19th century memorial to John Hampden himself erected there because it was his family seat. The tradition that payment was refused at Great Kimble (mentioned by Carlisle) deserves to be re-stated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Waysider1925 ( talk • contribs) 12:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Waysider1925 ( talk) 18:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved by Samee ( talk · contribs) as unopposed RM. ( non-admin closure) Crouch, Swale ( talk) 17:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Great and Little Kimble →
Great and Little Kimble cum Marsh – Per the
Ordnance Survey this is the current name of the civil parish. The parish council was
renamed in 2009 which presumably also applied to the civil parish, since it mentions about the notification to the OS which would apply to the civil parish, not its council (which can call itself what it wants).
Crouch, Swale (
talk)
13:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)