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This does not seem a proper redirect. The page redirected to discusses the history of the keeper of the seal, not what the seal is, nor the role it plays in goverment. Elde 06:51, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What about Edward VIII's seal? Kowalmistrz ( talk) 14:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The Latin of Elizabeth II's seal is pretty clearly indicating that she's the queen of Britain (or maybe "the Britains?") -- Britanniarum, but in the English translation her English-language title of "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is given instead. -- Jfruh ( talk) 15:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
We have an article on the
Lord Keeper of the Great Seal but no article or section on
Commissioner of the Great Seal.
Rich
Farmbrough,
14:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC).
It needs to be made clear which seal is being used. For example Henry VIII had three seals during his reign. He was not style Defender of the Faith until after the Pope said he was, and he did not become King of Ireland until some time after his reign started (before that he was style like his father Lord of Ireland).
In the long term I would suggest that the years in which a seal was in used is added to the article, but in the short term, it would be useful to note if a monarch had more than one great seal.
Edward IV, and probably Richard III also, used a ... seal, with an open crown, for French affairs, and it was the latter that Henry VII took as the model for his own seal, which shows him wearing an open crown with a cap of maintenance beneath. The first seal of Henry VIII was of a similar character, but his second seal, used between 1532 and 1542, and his third seal, used between 1542 and his death in 1547, shows him with a closed crown,... ( Grierson 1964, p. 131).
-- PBS ( talk) 10:16, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to explain my recent reverts. I believe this version [1] is poorly written because the lead sentence focuses on the union of Scotland and England to form Great Britain -- no where in it does it explain what seal is. This is in violation of WP:LEAD, which states "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points."The version I've tried reverting to [2] does explain what the seal is and complies with WP:LEAD. Calidum 02:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Your point is understood, and no more edits will take place to the existing lead paragraph until we both reach a consensus. The lead paragraph is inconsistent with the body of the article because before the union of Scotland and England, Queen Anne did not style herself Queen of England, she styled herself Queen of Great Britain. You have to understand the paradox situation. Her realm did not only include the Kingdom of England it also included the Kingdom of Scotland. Two Kingdoms, One Realm, and that occurred because in 1603, the Kingdom of England, essentially, in the royal sense, became a vassal kingdom of the Kingdom of Scotland. Meenmore ( talk) 02:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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Researching the seal of William & Mary I read the legend here as ending 'Golden apples grow in flowering rosebushes : The security of Britain restored.' but this is not the right inscription, it is one taken from a commemorative coronation medal. I found this in D. Macleane The great solemnity of the coronation... (London 1911) pp. 168-169 but there was no citation provided for the incorrect original. None of the other seal legends on the page have been cited, and may be similarly inaccurate. Corinthians2021 ( talk) 12:21, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
See [ this thread]. Some of it could be incorporated. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 23:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
DeCausa you have undone [3] my change to the first sentence without justification, and supplying an erroneous claim in lieu of it. The Acts of Union clearly state, in the first instance, that the seal is to be known as the "the Great Seal for the United Kingdom of Great Britain" [sic], followed by two references to "the Great Seal of the United Kingdom" [sic] without any mention of "Great Britain". There does not appear to be any substance to your suggestion that the word "United" should be decapitalized, and even if it were, as was frequently the case in early American constitutional documents, that would not change the fact that the standard spelling of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" is to capitalize both initials. Furthermore, the manuscript copies of the Treaty of Union demonstrate, that, at least in Articles I and II, the "United Kingdom" and "United Kingdom of Great Britain" are written as such, and not as "united Kingdom of Great Britain", as you have tried to claim. The wisest fool in Christendom ( talk) 17:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
There were Great Seals for Scotland and Ireland, but the Great Seal of the United Kingdom superseded the former in 1707 and the latter in 1800.
The Acts of Union, passed by the English and Scottish Parliaments in 1707, led to the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain on 1 May of that year. The UK Parliament met for the first time in October 1707.
And whereas since the Establishment of the Presbyterian Government in Scotland some Laws have been made by the Parliament in Scotland against the Episcopal Clergy of that Part of the United Kingdom and particularly an Act passed in the Parliament held in the Year One thousand six hundred ninety five ...
An Act for taking away and abolishing the Heritable Jurisdictions in Scotland; and for making Satisfaction to the Proprietors thereof; and for restoring such Jurisdictions to the Crown; and for making more effectual Provision for the Administration of Justice throughout that Part of the United Kingdom, by the King's Courts and Judges there; . . . and for rendering the Union of the Two Kingdoms more complete.
WHEREAS a practice has prevailed in … [Words repealed by Statute Law Revision Act 1948] … Scotland, of issuing notes, commonly called bank notes, for sums of money payable to the bearer on demand, or, in the option of the issuer or granter, payable at the end of six months, with a sum equal to the legal interest, from the demand to that time: And whereas notes, with such option as aforesaid have been and are circulated in that part of the United Kingdom to a great extent, and do pass, from hand to hand, as specie, whereby great inconveniences have arisen: ...
On 1 May 1707 England and Scotland (since 1603 a union of crowns) became the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain'. The new united kingdom was to be represented by a 'union' flag and governed by a British parliament at Westminster and a shared head of state (with the contentious issue of monarchical succession now settled in favour of the protestant house of Hanover).
Why did both the parliaments of Scotland and England vote themselves out of existence in 1707 in order to create a new 'United Kingdom of Great Britain'?
... in 1707 Acts of Union were passed by the Parliaments of England and Scotland, forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
The most important consideration in the making of the United Kingdom in 1707 was the standpoint of England." ... "Queen Anne played a proactive role in the making of the United Kingdom, not least because she was outraged by the endeavours of the Scottish estates to impose limitations on the prerogative powers of her eventual successor.
On 1 May 2007 it will be three hundred years since the United Kingdom of Great Britain was created by statutes passed in the separate parliaments of Scotland and England. ... From insisting before 1607 that a closer union in trade, civil government and taxation could only be achieved if Scotland was subjected to the laws of England, the English commissioners and parliament had come to accept by 1707 that the laws and courts of Scotland could mostly be allowed to survive in the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
Scotland and England, under the same Crown from 1603 but with separate institutions of government, were joined in the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707 by the Treaty and Acts of Union. Articles of Union, agreed in 1706 by Commissioners acting on behalf of the Parliament of each country, were adopted by Acts of Union passed by the English Parliament in 1706 and the Scottish Parliament in 1707.
A treaty was signed between Scotland and England unifying the two countries in 1706, being accepted by the Parliaments of Scotland and England in the Acts of Union of 1706–07. Henceforth Scotland and England, which in this deal included Wales, became parts of the new 'United Kingdom', although both maintained separate established churches, education systems and legal systems
This concise history covers the period from the formation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707 to the entry of the British into the European Economic Community in the 1970s.
The most immediately pressing conditions were that England and Scotland should merge in the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and that the succession to the British throne in the House of Hanover should be upheld.
And, with the union of the Parliaments in 1707, a second merger had produced a redoubtable new entity: the United Kingdom of Great Britain, a term originally propagated by James I to reconcile Scotland to being annexed by England — and the English to being ruled by a Scot.
This Kingdom of England had a distinct identity until it was subsumed into the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707.
Scotland has been part of the United Kingdom for more than three hundred years
The great seal (clavis regni Lat.), the emblem of sovereignty, introduced by Edward the Confessor. By Art. 34 of the Union between England and Scotland (5 Anne 8), it is provided that there should be one Great Seal for the United Kingdom, to be used for sealing writs to summon the Parliament …
This Seal was rendered necessary by the Act of Union (between England and Scotland) which received Royal Assent on the 6th March, 1707, and which, amongst other things, provided that from and after the Union there should be one Great Seal for the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which was to be different from the Great Seal previously in use in either kingdom
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This does not seem a proper redirect. The page redirected to discusses the history of the keeper of the seal, not what the seal is, nor the role it plays in goverment. Elde 06:51, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What about Edward VIII's seal? Kowalmistrz ( talk) 14:42, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
The Latin of Elizabeth II's seal is pretty clearly indicating that she's the queen of Britain (or maybe "the Britains?") -- Britanniarum, but in the English translation her English-language title of "Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is given instead. -- Jfruh ( talk) 15:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
We have an article on the
Lord Keeper of the Great Seal but no article or section on
Commissioner of the Great Seal.
Rich
Farmbrough,
14:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC).
It needs to be made clear which seal is being used. For example Henry VIII had three seals during his reign. He was not style Defender of the Faith until after the Pope said he was, and he did not become King of Ireland until some time after his reign started (before that he was style like his father Lord of Ireland).
In the long term I would suggest that the years in which a seal was in used is added to the article, but in the short term, it would be useful to note if a monarch had more than one great seal.
Edward IV, and probably Richard III also, used a ... seal, with an open crown, for French affairs, and it was the latter that Henry VII took as the model for his own seal, which shows him wearing an open crown with a cap of maintenance beneath. The first seal of Henry VIII was of a similar character, but his second seal, used between 1532 and 1542, and his third seal, used between 1542 and his death in 1547, shows him with a closed crown,... ( Grierson 1964, p. 131).
-- PBS ( talk) 10:16, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to explain my recent reverts. I believe this version [1] is poorly written because the lead sentence focuses on the union of Scotland and England to form Great Britain -- no where in it does it explain what seal is. This is in violation of WP:LEAD, which states "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points."The version I've tried reverting to [2] does explain what the seal is and complies with WP:LEAD. Calidum 02:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Your point is understood, and no more edits will take place to the existing lead paragraph until we both reach a consensus. The lead paragraph is inconsistent with the body of the article because before the union of Scotland and England, Queen Anne did not style herself Queen of England, she styled herself Queen of Great Britain. You have to understand the paradox situation. Her realm did not only include the Kingdom of England it also included the Kingdom of Scotland. Two Kingdoms, One Realm, and that occurred because in 1603, the Kingdom of England, essentially, in the royal sense, became a vassal kingdom of the Kingdom of Scotland. Meenmore ( talk) 02:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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Researching the seal of William & Mary I read the legend here as ending 'Golden apples grow in flowering rosebushes : The security of Britain restored.' but this is not the right inscription, it is one taken from a commemorative coronation medal. I found this in D. Macleane The great solemnity of the coronation... (London 1911) pp. 168-169 but there was no citation provided for the incorrect original. None of the other seal legends on the page have been cited, and may be similarly inaccurate. Corinthians2021 ( talk) 12:21, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
See [ this thread]. Some of it could be incorporated. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 23:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
DeCausa you have undone [3] my change to the first sentence without justification, and supplying an erroneous claim in lieu of it. The Acts of Union clearly state, in the first instance, that the seal is to be known as the "the Great Seal for the United Kingdom of Great Britain" [sic], followed by two references to "the Great Seal of the United Kingdom" [sic] without any mention of "Great Britain". There does not appear to be any substance to your suggestion that the word "United" should be decapitalized, and even if it were, as was frequently the case in early American constitutional documents, that would not change the fact that the standard spelling of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" is to capitalize both initials. Furthermore, the manuscript copies of the Treaty of Union demonstrate, that, at least in Articles I and II, the "United Kingdom" and "United Kingdom of Great Britain" are written as such, and not as "united Kingdom of Great Britain", as you have tried to claim. The wisest fool in Christendom ( talk) 17:12, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
There were Great Seals for Scotland and Ireland, but the Great Seal of the United Kingdom superseded the former in 1707 and the latter in 1800.
The Acts of Union, passed by the English and Scottish Parliaments in 1707, led to the creation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain on 1 May of that year. The UK Parliament met for the first time in October 1707.
And whereas since the Establishment of the Presbyterian Government in Scotland some Laws have been made by the Parliament in Scotland against the Episcopal Clergy of that Part of the United Kingdom and particularly an Act passed in the Parliament held in the Year One thousand six hundred ninety five ...
An Act for taking away and abolishing the Heritable Jurisdictions in Scotland; and for making Satisfaction to the Proprietors thereof; and for restoring such Jurisdictions to the Crown; and for making more effectual Provision for the Administration of Justice throughout that Part of the United Kingdom, by the King's Courts and Judges there; . . . and for rendering the Union of the Two Kingdoms more complete.
WHEREAS a practice has prevailed in … [Words repealed by Statute Law Revision Act 1948] … Scotland, of issuing notes, commonly called bank notes, for sums of money payable to the bearer on demand, or, in the option of the issuer or granter, payable at the end of six months, with a sum equal to the legal interest, from the demand to that time: And whereas notes, with such option as aforesaid have been and are circulated in that part of the United Kingdom to a great extent, and do pass, from hand to hand, as specie, whereby great inconveniences have arisen: ...
On 1 May 1707 England and Scotland (since 1603 a union of crowns) became the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain'. The new united kingdom was to be represented by a 'union' flag and governed by a British parliament at Westminster and a shared head of state (with the contentious issue of monarchical succession now settled in favour of the protestant house of Hanover).
Why did both the parliaments of Scotland and England vote themselves out of existence in 1707 in order to create a new 'United Kingdom of Great Britain'?
... in 1707 Acts of Union were passed by the Parliaments of England and Scotland, forming the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
The most important consideration in the making of the United Kingdom in 1707 was the standpoint of England." ... "Queen Anne played a proactive role in the making of the United Kingdom, not least because she was outraged by the endeavours of the Scottish estates to impose limitations on the prerogative powers of her eventual successor.
On 1 May 2007 it will be three hundred years since the United Kingdom of Great Britain was created by statutes passed in the separate parliaments of Scotland and England. ... From insisting before 1607 that a closer union in trade, civil government and taxation could only be achieved if Scotland was subjected to the laws of England, the English commissioners and parliament had come to accept by 1707 that the laws and courts of Scotland could mostly be allowed to survive in the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
Scotland and England, under the same Crown from 1603 but with separate institutions of government, were joined in the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707 by the Treaty and Acts of Union. Articles of Union, agreed in 1706 by Commissioners acting on behalf of the Parliament of each country, were adopted by Acts of Union passed by the English Parliament in 1706 and the Scottish Parliament in 1707.
A treaty was signed between Scotland and England unifying the two countries in 1706, being accepted by the Parliaments of Scotland and England in the Acts of Union of 1706–07. Henceforth Scotland and England, which in this deal included Wales, became parts of the new 'United Kingdom', although both maintained separate established churches, education systems and legal systems
This concise history covers the period from the formation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707 to the entry of the British into the European Economic Community in the 1970s.
The most immediately pressing conditions were that England and Scotland should merge in the United Kingdom of Great Britain, and that the succession to the British throne in the House of Hanover should be upheld.
And, with the union of the Parliaments in 1707, a second merger had produced a redoubtable new entity: the United Kingdom of Great Britain, a term originally propagated by James I to reconcile Scotland to being annexed by England — and the English to being ruled by a Scot.
This Kingdom of England had a distinct identity until it was subsumed into the United Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707.
Scotland has been part of the United Kingdom for more than three hundred years
The great seal (clavis regni Lat.), the emblem of sovereignty, introduced by Edward the Confessor. By Art. 34 of the Union between England and Scotland (5 Anne 8), it is provided that there should be one Great Seal for the United Kingdom, to be used for sealing writs to summon the Parliament …
This Seal was rendered necessary by the Act of Union (between England and Scotland) which received Royal Assent on the 6th March, 1707, and which, amongst other things, provided that from and after the Union there should be one Great Seal for the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which was to be different from the Great Seal previously in use in either kingdom