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I would like to point out that this article is incorrect. "The Great Commandment" for the Christians has always been mixed up with "love thy neighboor as theyself" however the true Greatest Commandment is "love the lord your god with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind" not the one stated in this article. I would suggest that someone should take the time to correct the untrue declarations in this article for the preservation of truth. ( Gustave993 ( talk) 00:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)).
The article, as I found it, was a veiled polemic or argument against the new testament formulations; I've deleted the appropriate sections in favor of a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.22.21.148 ( talk) 19:28, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me a bad idea that people who sign themselves "anonymous" should be going around calling names -- "veiled polemic"; Veil? Where? -- and then bowdlerizing the article in question in some unspecified way.
I wonder whether this nameless person is the same one who posted the unsigned box comment "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Duplicated statements; confuse grammar."
There are repetitions, it is true. Uh, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John make four.
"Confuse grammar" didn't strike my eye.
David Lloyd-Jones ( talk) 03:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
The article discusses two distinct commandments; only the first of these is called "The Great(est) Commandment." Perhaps a clarification, or even an article split might be appropriate. -- 202.124.73.230 ( talk) 03:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
This article began with little more than the Bible quotes of the 2 commandments, and then became a redirect elsewhere for awhile, and then someone decided to make this an article again with information from the Jewish encyclopedia article dealing with the 2nd commandment, which is still in the sections beginning with Brotherly love. There still needs to be expansion of the actual great commandment, the 1st commandment, with 3rd party references, etc. I pruned the intro back to bare bones again. The intro is supposed to be a concise summary of the material in the body of the article, so we need to get the body of the article in better shape before worrying about the intro. Anyone got secondary sources on the 1st and great commandment?
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Telpardec (
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02:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Done - could do with a citation though. Santa Suit ( talk) 21:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I wonder why in the section Bible narrative the Old Testament quotation, on which all the others are based, doesn't appear first? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I've altered the lead because it's inaccurate. The term 'Greatest Commandment' is not used to describe the commandment 'Love thy neighbour'. It is only ever used to describe the commandment 'love the Lord thy God'. Santa Suit ( talk) 16:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
The Great Commandment<ref>[[Robert H. Gundry|Gundry]]'s ''Commentary on Matthew'', 2011, section 22:34-40; ''Greek New Testament'', Aland, Metzger, et al., United Bible Societies</ref> or Greatest Commandment<ref>[[NIV]], see {{bibleverse||Matthew|22:34-40|NIV}}, and [[NRSV]], see {{bibleverse||Matthew|22:34-40|NRSV}}</ref> are titles applied to the following parallel sections of the New Testament: Matthew 22:34–40, Mark 12:28–34 and Luke 10:25–28.
75.0.0.115 ( talk) 21:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
"Greatest Commandment" (used in a few Bible versions) is an alternate term for the great commandment, which is included per MOS as a parenthetical alternate term for the article subject. Parenthesis symbols added. (BTW: references are deleted every day on wikipedia. :)
Removed Gundry refs from lead. Gundry is not the source for the term "Great Commandment", the Bible is the source. The second Gundry ref is not the source for the quoted text immediately before it, the other ref is. Both refs were out of place and not needed. Here are the two refs:
<ref>[[Robert H. Gundry|Gundry]]'s ''Commentary on Matthew'', 2011, section 22:34-40; ''Greek New Testament'', Aland, Metzger, et al., United Bible Societies</ref>
<ref>[[Robert H. Gundry|Gundry]]'s ''Commentary on Matthew'', 2011, section 22:37-40: "But the lawyer's "what ''sort of''" left room for more than one great commandment. So Jesus adds a second commandment, great like the first one but not foremost in greatness, for as the object of your love the Lord God outranks your neighbor."</ref>
Here is the page link to Gundry's book: PT247 and ISBN 1441237585
The three passages where the two commandments appear are not "parallel" as a previous version of the lede asserted. The Luke passage is an entirely different time and place - long before Jesus' final days in Jerusalem before he died. (Check it out.) There is more that needs to be said, but I have an urgent matter to attend to.
Thanks.
—Telpardec
TALK
22:57, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Last week I created an image that I thought was very helpful for this article. It's a mnemonic using one's hands to help remember what the Bible Commandments are. Later that day it got deleted for being "out of place".
I'd like to see this re-added, as I think that many readers of the article could find it helpful, in particular in showing very clearly how the 10 Commandments relate to the Great Commandments.-- Tdadamemd ( talk) 04:50, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
"Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. Love God above all else. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 2400:AC40:624:AE73:994B:3A40:F12F:58AF ( talk) 13:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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I would like to point out that this article is incorrect. "The Great Commandment" for the Christians has always been mixed up with "love thy neighboor as theyself" however the true Greatest Commandment is "love the lord your god with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind" not the one stated in this article. I would suggest that someone should take the time to correct the untrue declarations in this article for the preservation of truth. ( Gustave993 ( talk) 00:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)).
The article, as I found it, was a veiled polemic or argument against the new testament formulations; I've deleted the appropriate sections in favor of a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.22.21.148 ( talk) 19:28, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me a bad idea that people who sign themselves "anonymous" should be going around calling names -- "veiled polemic"; Veil? Where? -- and then bowdlerizing the article in question in some unspecified way.
I wonder whether this nameless person is the same one who posted the unsigned box comment "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Duplicated statements; confuse grammar."
There are repetitions, it is true. Uh, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John make four.
"Confuse grammar" didn't strike my eye.
David Lloyd-Jones ( talk) 03:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
The article discusses two distinct commandments; only the first of these is called "The Great(est) Commandment." Perhaps a clarification, or even an article split might be appropriate. -- 202.124.73.230 ( talk) 03:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
This article began with little more than the Bible quotes of the 2 commandments, and then became a redirect elsewhere for awhile, and then someone decided to make this an article again with information from the Jewish encyclopedia article dealing with the 2nd commandment, which is still in the sections beginning with Brotherly love. There still needs to be expansion of the actual great commandment, the 1st commandment, with 3rd party references, etc. I pruned the intro back to bare bones again. The intro is supposed to be a concise summary of the material in the body of the article, so we need to get the body of the article in better shape before worrying about the intro. Anyone got secondary sources on the 1st and great commandment?
—
Telpardec (
talk)
02:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Done - could do with a citation though. Santa Suit ( talk) 21:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I wonder why in the section Bible narrative the Old Testament quotation, on which all the others are based, doesn't appear first? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I've altered the lead because it's inaccurate. The term 'Greatest Commandment' is not used to describe the commandment 'Love thy neighbour'. It is only ever used to describe the commandment 'love the Lord thy God'. Santa Suit ( talk) 16:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
The Great Commandment<ref>[[Robert H. Gundry|Gundry]]'s ''Commentary on Matthew'', 2011, section 22:34-40; ''Greek New Testament'', Aland, Metzger, et al., United Bible Societies</ref> or Greatest Commandment<ref>[[NIV]], see {{bibleverse||Matthew|22:34-40|NIV}}, and [[NRSV]], see {{bibleverse||Matthew|22:34-40|NRSV}}</ref> are titles applied to the following parallel sections of the New Testament: Matthew 22:34–40, Mark 12:28–34 and Luke 10:25–28.
75.0.0.115 ( talk) 21:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
"Greatest Commandment" (used in a few Bible versions) is an alternate term for the great commandment, which is included per MOS as a parenthetical alternate term for the article subject. Parenthesis symbols added. (BTW: references are deleted every day on wikipedia. :)
Removed Gundry refs from lead. Gundry is not the source for the term "Great Commandment", the Bible is the source. The second Gundry ref is not the source for the quoted text immediately before it, the other ref is. Both refs were out of place and not needed. Here are the two refs:
<ref>[[Robert H. Gundry|Gundry]]'s ''Commentary on Matthew'', 2011, section 22:34-40; ''Greek New Testament'', Aland, Metzger, et al., United Bible Societies</ref>
<ref>[[Robert H. Gundry|Gundry]]'s ''Commentary on Matthew'', 2011, section 22:37-40: "But the lawyer's "what ''sort of''" left room for more than one great commandment. So Jesus adds a second commandment, great like the first one but not foremost in greatness, for as the object of your love the Lord God outranks your neighbor."</ref>
Here is the page link to Gundry's book: PT247 and ISBN 1441237585
The three passages where the two commandments appear are not "parallel" as a previous version of the lede asserted. The Luke passage is an entirely different time and place - long before Jesus' final days in Jerusalem before he died. (Check it out.) There is more that needs to be said, but I have an urgent matter to attend to.
Thanks.
—Telpardec
TALK
22:57, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Last week I created an image that I thought was very helpful for this article. It's a mnemonic using one's hands to help remember what the Bible Commandments are. Later that day it got deleted for being "out of place".
I'd like to see this re-added, as I think that many readers of the article could find it helpful, in particular in showing very clearly how the 10 Commandments relate to the Great Commandments.-- Tdadamemd ( talk) 04:50, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
"Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. Love God above all else. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 2400:AC40:624:AE73:994B:3A40:F12F:58AF ( talk) 13:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)