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Hi, @ HAL333: and other willing editors. I see you're the most significant editor and have an active interest. I've recently made two additions to the table. The first Blood Meridian was already present I just fixed it. The second is Freedom. You'll notice that neither currently have their covers displayed as they aren't freely licensed or in the public domain. So I'm wondering if it is worthwhile adding fair use rationales for them, comparable to one's already present in their respective articles. DMT biscuit ( talk) 23:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, @ HAL333 and Brandt Luke Zorn: Simply put, I don't think Moby Dick is the appropriate image for the lead; certainly an important book in the American literary canon, I, however, don't think it's the best image to use given the context of the article. Instead, I think Uncle Tom's Cabin should be the leading image, considering both Deforest and Buell held it in reverence and claimed it to be the closest example. It also holds more refs supporting it than Moby Dick, presently.
To avoid a repetition of the book's cover, I would recommend Uncle Tom and Little Eva be the lead image.
P.S. there's a handy article on Literary Hub which collates multiple articles discussing the GAN: Brief Survey of the Great American Novel(s). DMT biscuit ( talk) 18:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Do you think this section would benefit from the inclusion of an image? I'm conscious that for a small article it is has a copious amount of images. Do you think we should have a section that breaks from it or do you think it would be improved with an image? DMT biscuit ( talk) 23:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Update: Hi, @ HAL333 and Brandt Luke Zorn:, recently in the Analysis section I've added a para about equivalents to the GAN, including the GA painting. The one bestowed the title was Corinne Michelle West blinding lights which makes me think it should be included. The article Blinding Light: The ‘Great American Painting’? is the only place I could find a copy of it however it features a copyright tag. Thus I wonder if we should include it with a FU rationale? Also, would this tag have to be cropped and if so does that affect the FU rationale.?
The article mentioned other paintings such as American Gothic and Nighthawks, both in the public domain. If either of these are to be included i would personally elect Nighthawks as it's size would affect the article far less. Thanks. DMT biscuit ( talk) 11:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I would like to point out that " To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee is only mentioned once in the entire article. It is a very relevant and important novel that has been noted many times as the GAN. Could someone perhaps add a bit more about it in the article, and perhaps mention how it was chosen as "The Great American Read" by PBS' TV show of the same name? 174.94.0.81 ( talk) 19:39, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
American Pastoral by Philip Roth came out in 1997, and though I enjoyed Underworld more, they are both fine novels and both should be considered the GAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.90.228.7 ( talk • contribs)
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This is the Great American Novel we're talking about. There has to be some reference to Snoopy somewhere.
- AAEexecutive ( talk) 19:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Should Middlesex by Jeffery Eugenides be added to the current list of Contenders? on its page it contains several references to critical discussion around it being a GAN contender, and is certainly a highly critically acclaimed and examined work, especially focusing on American literary topics. Underthames ( talk) 17:07, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, @ HAL333: and other willing editors. I see you're the most significant editor and have an active interest. I've recently made two additions to the table. The first Blood Meridian was already present I just fixed it. The second is Freedom. You'll notice that neither currently have their covers displayed as they aren't freely licensed or in the public domain. So I'm wondering if it is worthwhile adding fair use rationales for them, comparable to one's already present in their respective articles. DMT biscuit ( talk) 23:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, @ HAL333 and Brandt Luke Zorn: Simply put, I don't think Moby Dick is the appropriate image for the lead; certainly an important book in the American literary canon, I, however, don't think it's the best image to use given the context of the article. Instead, I think Uncle Tom's Cabin should be the leading image, considering both Deforest and Buell held it in reverence and claimed it to be the closest example. It also holds more refs supporting it than Moby Dick, presently.
To avoid a repetition of the book's cover, I would recommend Uncle Tom and Little Eva be the lead image.
P.S. there's a handy article on Literary Hub which collates multiple articles discussing the GAN: Brief Survey of the Great American Novel(s). DMT biscuit ( talk) 18:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Do you think this section would benefit from the inclusion of an image? I'm conscious that for a small article it is has a copious amount of images. Do you think we should have a section that breaks from it or do you think it would be improved with an image? DMT biscuit ( talk) 23:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Update: Hi, @ HAL333 and Brandt Luke Zorn:, recently in the Analysis section I've added a para about equivalents to the GAN, including the GA painting. The one bestowed the title was Corinne Michelle West blinding lights which makes me think it should be included. The article Blinding Light: The ‘Great American Painting’? is the only place I could find a copy of it however it features a copyright tag. Thus I wonder if we should include it with a FU rationale? Also, would this tag have to be cropped and if so does that affect the FU rationale.?
The article mentioned other paintings such as American Gothic and Nighthawks, both in the public domain. If either of these are to be included i would personally elect Nighthawks as it's size would affect the article far less. Thanks. DMT biscuit ( talk) 11:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
I would like to point out that " To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee is only mentioned once in the entire article. It is a very relevant and important novel that has been noted many times as the GAN. Could someone perhaps add a bit more about it in the article, and perhaps mention how it was chosen as "The Great American Read" by PBS' TV show of the same name? 174.94.0.81 ( talk) 19:39, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
American Pastoral by Philip Roth came out in 1997, and though I enjoyed Underworld more, they are both fine novels and both should be considered the GAN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.90.228.7 ( talk • contribs)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 14:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
This is the Great American Novel we're talking about. There has to be some reference to Snoopy somewhere.
- AAEexecutive ( talk) 19:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Should Middlesex by Jeffery Eugenides be added to the current list of Contenders? on its page it contains several references to critical discussion around it being a GAN contender, and is certainly a highly critically acclaimed and examined work, especially focusing on American literary topics. Underthames ( talk) 17:07, 8 February 2024 (UTC)