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Should this article also discuss grazing in an agricultural sense? Richard001 04:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a disambiguation to when you graze your skin i.e roadrash?
Are grazers only located in the United States? What animals are grazers? Where is the article? Most of this article is about information that is irrelevant... Thanks for the trivia... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 13:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
There were a couple of edits made citing only "PENHA conference on pastoralism". While something from that conference may be a RS, such a vague reference is not enough. Conferences typically have dozens of authors, speakers and poster presentations that, with a large spread of credibility. The fact that something was said or printed at a conference is not a reliable source. To be included we need a precise reference, specifically we will need the author of the statement, the presentation/publication where the statement was made and the source from which the editor derived that information (eg conference proceedings, radio transcript etc). The fact that an editor heard an audience member ask a question with a statement in it at the conference doesn't make it RS, yet by only citing the conference name, this may be all that it refers to. Wikipedia sources need to be able to be checked, and a conference name isn't enough to enable that to happen. Mark Marathon ( talk) 03:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
There are two distinct uses of the term "Grazing", i.e. the animal behaviour, and the method of agriculture. Perhaps these should be split into separate articles, but for the moment I am going to restructure the article to make this difference clearer.__ DrChrissy ( talk) 13:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thought I'd open a discussion on this, since the Wiki page for "Generalist and specialist species" provides an immediate counterexample (i.e., koalas) to the argument given for the distinction between 'grazing' and 'parasitism'. In particular, the issue I'm having is with distinguishing grazers as generalist species and parasites as specialist species when I'm sure there are a plurality of counterexamples to this notion, and so perhaps we should consider re-characterizing grazing as a subtype of parasitism. For example, with respect to koalas, it seems to be fairly well-established that they are a specialist species that is largely dependent upon eucalyptus trees for food and habitation--a notion that's further promulgated by the belief that the evolution of certain trees led to the development of chemical defenses that did not play nice with the koala's digestive system, thus leading them to prefer eucalyptus trees [1]. Couple this with the observation that koalas live most or all of their lives with the same set of eucalyptus trees, and it would seem like koalas counterintuitively are not grazers, but rather are parasites (based off the description provided in this page). Alternatively, one can follow this argument up with one that would purport mosquitoes to be grazers. Furthermore, given the relationship that aphids have with various plant species and given the fact that they're considered parasites to those plants, I see no appreciable difference between the type of interaction that aphids have with certain plants and that koalas have with eucalyptus trees. Would be open to counterarguments, but please keep it civil and intellectually honest. SomeEnlightenedNarcissist ( talk) 23:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
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The phrasing of the new material sound like only rare breeds of cattle can improve the habitat... may want to clarify that. Montanabw (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The environmental impact section of this article is missing citations but the info put forth is critical and, as far as I can tell seems biased. It clearly tries to paint livestock grazing in a positive light, suggesting that the impacts are wholly good for our planet; but the reality is just the opposite. The negative aspects of livestock grazing should be highlighted more -- there are plenty of citations available for the negative environmental impacts -- and the claims made without citation should be stricken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:EF54:5000:99B3:8D03:5B02:9F99 ( talk) 22:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
The uncited claims about the supposed environmental benefits of grazing are still present in the Environmental impact section of the article, more than a year after they were initially flagged. In some instances, these claims directly contradict well-cited facts included elsewhere in the article. Fair warning; the uncited claims should be removed. Jeandjinni ( talk) 11:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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Looking at FAO figures for 2012 (cited here), the claim that 85% of land is unsuitable for crop production seems to be a misstatement. The FAO data do not indicate this; possibly the data are being misinterpreted. The FAO data cited indicate actual (not possible) use of land for crops, which looks to be about 17%. This does not indicate that 85% of all US land is unsuitable for crop production. The claim is misleading, and should be removed. I've qualified the claim for now. Unless it is substantiated, the text should be removed soon. Jeandjinni ( talk) 03:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Chiswick Chap recently wrote "...I think we have 2 articles in here, natural and agricultural grazing." I agree, and think a split would help structure the article(s) better. For natural/ wild animal grazing, I would go with ' grazing (behavior)' a format already used in the articles Flocking (behavior) and Sniffing (behavior). Dialectric ( talk) 15:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
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Should this article also discuss grazing in an agricultural sense? Richard001 04:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a disambiguation to when you graze your skin i.e roadrash?
Are grazers only located in the United States? What animals are grazers? Where is the article? Most of this article is about information that is irrelevant... Thanks for the trivia... Stevenmitchell ( talk) 13:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
There were a couple of edits made citing only "PENHA conference on pastoralism". While something from that conference may be a RS, such a vague reference is not enough. Conferences typically have dozens of authors, speakers and poster presentations that, with a large spread of credibility. The fact that something was said or printed at a conference is not a reliable source. To be included we need a precise reference, specifically we will need the author of the statement, the presentation/publication where the statement was made and the source from which the editor derived that information (eg conference proceedings, radio transcript etc). The fact that an editor heard an audience member ask a question with a statement in it at the conference doesn't make it RS, yet by only citing the conference name, this may be all that it refers to. Wikipedia sources need to be able to be checked, and a conference name isn't enough to enable that to happen. Mark Marathon ( talk) 03:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
There are two distinct uses of the term "Grazing", i.e. the animal behaviour, and the method of agriculture. Perhaps these should be split into separate articles, but for the moment I am going to restructure the article to make this difference clearer.__ DrChrissy ( talk) 13:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thought I'd open a discussion on this, since the Wiki page for "Generalist and specialist species" provides an immediate counterexample (i.e., koalas) to the argument given for the distinction between 'grazing' and 'parasitism'. In particular, the issue I'm having is with distinguishing grazers as generalist species and parasites as specialist species when I'm sure there are a plurality of counterexamples to this notion, and so perhaps we should consider re-characterizing grazing as a subtype of parasitism. For example, with respect to koalas, it seems to be fairly well-established that they are a specialist species that is largely dependent upon eucalyptus trees for food and habitation--a notion that's further promulgated by the belief that the evolution of certain trees led to the development of chemical defenses that did not play nice with the koala's digestive system, thus leading them to prefer eucalyptus trees [1]. Couple this with the observation that koalas live most or all of their lives with the same set of eucalyptus trees, and it would seem like koalas counterintuitively are not grazers, but rather are parasites (based off the description provided in this page). Alternatively, one can follow this argument up with one that would purport mosquitoes to be grazers. Furthermore, given the relationship that aphids have with various plant species and given the fact that they're considered parasites to those plants, I see no appreciable difference between the type of interaction that aphids have with certain plants and that koalas have with eucalyptus trees. Would be open to counterarguments, but please keep it civil and intellectually honest. SomeEnlightenedNarcissist ( talk) 23:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
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The phrasing of the new material sound like only rare breeds of cattle can improve the habitat... may want to clarify that. Montanabw (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
The environmental impact section of this article is missing citations but the info put forth is critical and, as far as I can tell seems biased. It clearly tries to paint livestock grazing in a positive light, suggesting that the impacts are wholly good for our planet; but the reality is just the opposite. The negative aspects of livestock grazing should be highlighted more -- there are plenty of citations available for the negative environmental impacts -- and the claims made without citation should be stricken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:EF54:5000:99B3:8D03:5B02:9F99 ( talk) 22:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
The uncited claims about the supposed environmental benefits of grazing are still present in the Environmental impact section of the article, more than a year after they were initially flagged. In some instances, these claims directly contradict well-cited facts included elsewhere in the article. Fair warning; the uncited claims should be removed. Jeandjinni ( talk) 11:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
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Looking at FAO figures for 2012 (cited here), the claim that 85% of land is unsuitable for crop production seems to be a misstatement. The FAO data do not indicate this; possibly the data are being misinterpreted. The FAO data cited indicate actual (not possible) use of land for crops, which looks to be about 17%. This does not indicate that 85% of all US land is unsuitable for crop production. The claim is misleading, and should be removed. I've qualified the claim for now. Unless it is substantiated, the text should be removed soon. Jeandjinni ( talk) 03:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Chiswick Chap recently wrote "...I think we have 2 articles in here, natural and agricultural grazing." I agree, and think a split would help structure the article(s) better. For natural/ wild animal grazing, I would go with ' grazing (behavior)' a format already used in the articles Flocking (behavior) and Sniffing (behavior). Dialectric ( talk) 15:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)