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If a baby is delivered via Caesarean section, is the parity nomenclature exactly the same as for birth via vaginal delivery? The 2 different routes have implications for things like later stress urinary incontinence.
I don't know if it helps anyone else, but my experience in higher education studies of biology and science were helped tremendously by tying together like or similar processes as they repeat themselves in circles of a cycle. I felt my understanding didn't jump the gap until these overlooked signs were pointed out to me. I would like to see connection mentioned between obstetric number record of Mothers and the orbital notation record of Atoms, as they are the same cycles, just not commonly recognized due to each cycle being the same but of seemingly different circles. It was important to my understanding of recognizing Truth of a larger picture. - Dirtclustit ( talk) 08:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I edited this post to be inclusive of all sexes who may be birthing. I'm rather shocked that it was changed back when it is not in dispute that trans and intersex persons give birth and are not "female." This is a question of accuracy of terms, not of morality. As someone who works in birth, I would want the most accurate information available to people reading this page. CCalvano ( talk) 04:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
— CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 10:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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I was BOLD, fair, and accurate in my changes.
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If Wikipedia is committed to openness and diversity; if it "not only accept[s] diversity, but...actually look forward to it" then you must allow for the edits that include all those who birth, may be pregnant, and may be part of their family. CCalvano ( talk) 04:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
This article does a bad job of explaining why these terms exist and are used.
For example, casual googlin reveals that:
The term “grand multipara” was introduced in 1934 by Solomon, who called grand multiparas the “the dangerous multiparas” [1]. In general, the older literature defines “grand multiparity” (GM) as parity >7 [2,3]. More recent reports select a definition of GM to start from a parity of 5 because the threshold of risks of any obstetric complication, neonatal morbidity, and perinatal death increase markedly at parity ≥5 [4,5].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878019/
It feels very relevant to not just explain, for example, that "primagravida" means "a woman who is pregnant for the first time or has been pregnant one time" but why this distinction even exist. Why invent a specific term and not just go para 0, para 1, para 2, para 3 and so on. (Presumably because there are certain risks and conditions that are more common among women that has never given birth before).
CapnZapp ( talk) 13:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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— Assignment last updated by Rafaelverduzco ( talk) 18:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Since sex and gender are very different things, [1] the terms "female" and "woman" are also very different.
Reliable sources prove that pre-operative trans men, non-binary people and intersex people can also get pregnant and give birth, if they have female gonads including at least the following gonads and genitalia: [2]
However, intersex people are not females, since they cannot be assigned a definitive sex at birth, meaning that their sex is ambiguous. [3] [4] Intersex people are not enitrely male or entirely female; [5] every intersex person's sex falls on a random point on the spectrum of sex. [6] — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 16:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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If a baby is delivered via Caesarean section, is the parity nomenclature exactly the same as for birth via vaginal delivery? The 2 different routes have implications for things like later stress urinary incontinence.
I don't know if it helps anyone else, but my experience in higher education studies of biology and science were helped tremendously by tying together like or similar processes as they repeat themselves in circles of a cycle. I felt my understanding didn't jump the gap until these overlooked signs were pointed out to me. I would like to see connection mentioned between obstetric number record of Mothers and the orbital notation record of Atoms, as they are the same cycles, just not commonly recognized due to each cycle being the same but of seemingly different circles. It was important to my understanding of recognizing Truth of a larger picture. - Dirtclustit ( talk) 08:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I edited this post to be inclusive of all sexes who may be birthing. I'm rather shocked that it was changed back when it is not in dispute that trans and intersex persons give birth and are not "female." This is a question of accuracy of terms, not of morality. As someone who works in birth, I would want the most accurate information available to people reading this page. CCalvano ( talk) 04:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
— CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 10:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
References
"We encourage you to be bold in a fair and accurate manner." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Getting_started?markasread=96949365
I was BOLD, fair, and accurate in my changes.
"Commitment to openness and diversity
Though US-based, the organization is international in its nature. Our board of trustees, staff members, and volunteers are involved without discrimination based on their religion, political beliefs, sexual preferences, nationalities, etc... Not only do we accept diversity, but we actually look forward to it.""
https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values
If Wikipedia is committed to openness and diversity; if it "not only accept[s] diversity, but...actually look forward to it" then you must allow for the edits that include all those who birth, may be pregnant, and may be part of their family. CCalvano ( talk) 04:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
This article does a bad job of explaining why these terms exist and are used.
For example, casual googlin reveals that:
The term “grand multipara” was introduced in 1934 by Solomon, who called grand multiparas the “the dangerous multiparas” [1]. In general, the older literature defines “grand multiparity” (GM) as parity >7 [2,3]. More recent reports select a definition of GM to start from a parity of 5 because the threshold of risks of any obstetric complication, neonatal morbidity, and perinatal death increase markedly at parity ≥5 [4,5].
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878019/
It feels very relevant to not just explain, for example, that "primagravida" means "a woman who is pregnant for the first time or has been pregnant one time" but why this distinction even exist. Why invent a specific term and not just go para 0, para 1, para 2, para 3 and so on. (Presumably because there are certain risks and conditions that are more common among women that has never given birth before).
CapnZapp ( talk) 13:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 August 2022 and 20 September 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
SleepyJanus (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
Rafaelverduzco,
Ddsov.
— Assignment last updated by Rafaelverduzco ( talk) 18:16, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Since sex and gender are very different things, [1] the terms "female" and "woman" are also very different.
Reliable sources prove that pre-operative trans men, non-binary people and intersex people can also get pregnant and give birth, if they have female gonads including at least the following gonads and genitalia: [2]
However, intersex people are not females, since they cannot be assigned a definitive sex at birth, meaning that their sex is ambiguous. [3] [4] Intersex people are not enitrely male or entirely female; [5] every intersex person's sex falls on a random point on the spectrum of sex. [6] — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 16:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
References
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: PMC format (
link) CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)