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"Ingres continued to be criticized for his work until the mid-1820s when Eugène Delacroix appeared". The reference to Delacroix appears to be a non-sequitur; presumably it should say "...Delacroix, who became the centre of criticism of romanticism" or some such.-- Grahame ( talk) 23:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Discussion about the article's title.
From [1]: The Louvre calls the Mona Lisa La Joconde. This is not comparable, as "La Joconde" is not the original title. Books refer to the titles "Grande Odalisque" and "La Grande Odalisque" [2] ( [3] / [4]). Encyclopedias Britannica and Universalis use the title "La Grande Odalisque" ( [5], [6], [7]). So which title should be used? Korg ( talk) 04:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Evrik has taken it upon himself to change the picture. As seems to be invariably the case when this is done, the new picture seems to me worse, though in fact both are poor. It will be noticed the new one is cropped on all 4 sides, as well as being out of focus, with dull colours. The old one has very sharp detail at small size, though tonal values are poor. What do others think, and can anyone find a really good pic? - these are both book scans I think. Johnbod ( talk) 21:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I know you Wikipedia-users don't like changes without discussion, so here's my opinion and see for yourself what you'll do. I think there should be a link somewhere that heads to the website of the Louvre. There's a lot more information about this painting and it could only help people find the right information.
http://www.louvre.fr/llv/oeuvres/detail_notice.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226311&CURRENT_LLV_NOTICE%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226311&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723696500815&bmLocale=en —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.71.57 ( talk) 16:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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Ingres wrote that he used a ten-year old girl from Rome as the model for the painting.
"Des obligeants, comme il y en a tant par le monde, ont accrédité à ce qu'il paraît que j'ai eu l'intention de retracer les traits de Mme Murat dans cette peinture. Cela est absolument faux, mon modèle est à Rome, c'est une petite fille de 10 ans qui m'en a servi, et d'ailleurs ceux qui ont connu Mme Murat peuvent me juger."
Danya Epstein comments: "Ingres’s assertion that he employed a ten-year-old girl as his model as a defense of Queen Caroline is undoubtedly rather baffling, given that the odalisque clearly does not have a prepubescent body. Ockman suggests that this is Ingres’s attempt to desexualize the perception of the painting, though why a painting of a nude ten-year-old girl would be more appropriate is unclear. Ingres himself harbored some anxieties about whether the Grande Odalisque would be perceived as indecent, or too 'voluptueux,' in his own words."
Danya Epstein, "Pathology and Imagination: Ingres's Anatomical Distortions" PDF
(Alternatively, perhaps the girl was only used as model for the head.) 37.170.182.100 ( talk) 15:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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"Ingres continued to be criticized for his work until the mid-1820s when Eugène Delacroix appeared". The reference to Delacroix appears to be a non-sequitur; presumably it should say "...Delacroix, who became the centre of criticism of romanticism" or some such.-- Grahame ( talk) 23:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Discussion about the article's title.
From [1]: The Louvre calls the Mona Lisa La Joconde. This is not comparable, as "La Joconde" is not the original title. Books refer to the titles "Grande Odalisque" and "La Grande Odalisque" [2] ( [3] / [4]). Encyclopedias Britannica and Universalis use the title "La Grande Odalisque" ( [5], [6], [7]). So which title should be used? Korg ( talk) 04:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Evrik has taken it upon himself to change the picture. As seems to be invariably the case when this is done, the new picture seems to me worse, though in fact both are poor. It will be noticed the new one is cropped on all 4 sides, as well as being out of focus, with dull colours. The old one has very sharp detail at small size, though tonal values are poor. What do others think, and can anyone find a really good pic? - these are both book scans I think. Johnbod ( talk) 21:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I know you Wikipedia-users don't like changes without discussion, so here's my opinion and see for yourself what you'll do. I think there should be a link somewhere that heads to the website of the Louvre. There's a lot more information about this painting and it could only help people find the right information.
http://www.louvre.fr/llv/oeuvres/detail_notice.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226311&CURRENT_LLV_NOTICE%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226311&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723696500815&bmLocale=en —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.71.57 ( talk) 16:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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Ingres wrote that he used a ten-year old girl from Rome as the model for the painting.
"Des obligeants, comme il y en a tant par le monde, ont accrédité à ce qu'il paraît que j'ai eu l'intention de retracer les traits de Mme Murat dans cette peinture. Cela est absolument faux, mon modèle est à Rome, c'est une petite fille de 10 ans qui m'en a servi, et d'ailleurs ceux qui ont connu Mme Murat peuvent me juger."
Danya Epstein comments: "Ingres’s assertion that he employed a ten-year-old girl as his model as a defense of Queen Caroline is undoubtedly rather baffling, given that the odalisque clearly does not have a prepubescent body. Ockman suggests that this is Ingres’s attempt to desexualize the perception of the painting, though why a painting of a nude ten-year-old girl would be more appropriate is unclear. Ingres himself harbored some anxieties about whether the Grande Odalisque would be perceived as indecent, or too 'voluptueux,' in his own words."
Danya Epstein, "Pathology and Imagination: Ingres's Anatomical Distortions" PDF
(Alternatively, perhaps the girl was only used as model for the head.) 37.170.182.100 ( talk) 15:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)