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A Grand Tour Category could be useful -- Skyleth 12:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
What's the etymology of the term Grand Tour? I don't recall its usage before Y2K — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyrospite ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Is "Giri." You wouldn't say "paparazzos," would you?
Tonkov continued to race at a high level for several seasons. He was second in the 1997 and 1998 Giri d’Italia,
Nonetheless, you simply don’t win two Giri d’Italia by only being a solid climber and a lucky rider.
Though not a prolific winner, the farmer and donkey owner has amassed two stage wins and a 3rd-place overall finish in the past two Giri d'Italia.
Hmm? Nosleep break my slumber 15:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there some reason you removed my examples and, more importantly, my signature? Nosleep break my slumber 16:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Erik Zabel never won any stages in the Giro, so the statistics as they are currently presented in the table (21 Giro stage victories) are incorrect. Wenkbrauwalbatros ( talk) 20:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Cheers Wenkbrau. Very odd that Erik was credited with more than twice what he should be! Have removed them. Andrewdpcotton ( talk) 14:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Binda has won 41 stages in Giro d'Italia. In this section it is written that he won 42 stages. -- Mystère Martin ( talk) 10:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add this new section but I'd need help to do it. Or I can supply the data for an expert to do. Eduardo Chozas (ES) deserves recognition for his 27 participations and 26 finishes (in the '84 Vuelta he failed to complete the final stage), along with other notable cyclists in this category. EdX20 ( talk) 18:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add this information. Can anybody help me?:
MOST PODIUMS ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS ======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL======= Jacques Anquetil 6 6 1 13 Bernard Hinault 7 3 2 12 Eddy Merckx 6 5 1 12 Felice Gimondi 2 9 1 12 Raymond Poulidor 8 0 2 10 Gino Bartali 3 7 0 10 Miguel Induráin 5 3 1 9 Fausto Coppi 2 7 0 9 Lance Armstrong 8 0 0 8 Pedro Delgado 3 0 5 8 Joop Zoetemelk 7 0 1 8 CYCLISTS WHO REACHED PODIUM ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS ======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL======= Jacques Anquetil 6 6 1 13 Bernard Hinault 7 3 2 12 Eddy Merckx 6 5 1 12 Felice Gimondi 2 9 1 12 Miguel Induráin 5 3 1 9 Laurent Fignon 3 2 1 6 Carlos Sastre 2 1 3 6 Toni Rominger 1 1 4 6 Alberto Contador 2 1 2 5 Denís Menchov 2 1 2 5 Jose Manuel Fuente 1 1 2 4 Vincenzo Nibali 1 2 1 4 Herman Van Springel 1 1 1 3 MOST PODIUMS ON TOUR DE FRANCE ========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL======= Lance Armstrong* 7 0 1 8 Raymond Poulidor 0 3 5 8 Bernard Hinault 5 2 0 7 Joop Zoetemelk 1 6 0 7 Eddy Merckx 5 1 0 6 Jacques Anquetil 5 0 1 6 Jan Ullrich 1 5 0 6 Gustave Garrigou 1 3 2 6 Miguel Induráin 5 0 0 5 Greg LeMond 3 1 1 5 Louison Bobet 3 0 1 4 Nicolás Frantz 2 2 0 4 Antonin Magne 2 1 1 4 Jean Alavoine 0 2 2 4 MOST PODIUMS ON GIRO D'ITALIA ========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL======= Felice Gimondi 3 2 4 9 Fausto Coppi 5 2 0 7 Gino Bartali 3 4 0 7 Gilberto Simoni 2 1 4 7 Alfredo Binda 5 1 0 6 Giovanni Brunero 3 2 1 6 Francesco Moser 1 3 2 6 Eddy Merckx 5 0 0 5 Fiorenzo Magni 3 2 0 5 Giuseppe Saronni 2 1 1 4 Charly Gaul 2 0 2 4 Italo Zilioli 0 3 1 4 Bartolomeo Aimo 0 1 3 4 MOST PODIUMS ON VUELTA A ESPAÑA ========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL======= Roberto Heras 3 1 1 5 Pedro Delgado 2 1 2 5 Luis Ocaña 1 3 1 5 Tony Rominger 3 0 1 4 Julián Berrendero 2 2 0 4 Alejandro Valverde 1 2 1 4 José Pérez-Francés 0 2 2 4 Miguel María Lasa 0 2 2 4 Alex Zülle 2 1 0 3 Marino Lejarreta 1 1 1 3 Reimund Dietzen 0 2 1 3
— Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertCS ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
According to his Wikipedia page, he won 8 stages of the Tour and another 8 in the Giro, so 16 overall. Shouldn't he be in the most stage wins list therefore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.55.5 ( talk) 12:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the table list who was declared winner of the Tours when Armstrong wasn't listed? and the table of top totals winners, Armstrong should be listed and crossed out because the Tour now resumes listing him but crossed out. -- 65.94.43.89 ( talk) 07:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The governing body never awarded a winner for those years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salestron ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Whie no rider has won all three in a calendar year, Anquetil and Merx have held all three jerseys - Anquetil winning four tours in a row. Shoud we highlight this.
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Add section about women equivalent. Which races were considered part of GT (and during what period), what was their categorization ....
This current article should have title "Men's GT", as it only is about men even though there is Women's GT.
213.149.61.164 ( talk) 19:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
List of those who won all 3 GT races in a year. 213.149.62.46 ( talk) 13:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
This article will need to evolve regarding women's Grand Tour races. The Giro Donne has been around for a while now, but the Tour de France Femmes (re)launches in 2022, and La Vuelta Femenina is coming in 2023 - a full set of Women's Grand Tour races. So suggested options for this article -
Turini2 ( talk) 10:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
To consider the definition that is attempted in the intro: a Grand Tour is one of the three (once women's events are included, that is not the case) major (Crystal balling, at least for the Vuelta) European professional cycling stage races: Giro d'Italia, Tour de France, and Vuelta a España. Collectively they are termed the Grand Tours (not a phrase widely used in relation to the women's events), and all three races are similar in format, being three-week races (not the case) with daily stages. They have a special status in the UCI regulations: more points for the UCI World Tour are distributed in Grand Tours than in other races (not the case in terms of WWT points) and they are the only stage races allowed to last longer than 14 days (they don't). So by what already existing definition do you seek to treat them as GTs? Kevin McE ( talk) 14:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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Cycling may, or may not, have borrowed the phrase grand tour from the leisure time exploits of the wealthy in post-Victorian times: that is a red herring. Wikipedia's standpoint is, quite approprately, to follow widespread usage: You say "Gotta start somewhere", but Wikipedia is not the place to start: its role is to respond to and report on what is established, not to campaign or promote a cause. Unless and until the cycling, and wider, media ordinarily refer to theese events as Grand Tours, Wikipedia should not. That is the only criterion that matters in this project: verifiability. Do you have any? Kevin McE ( talk) 18:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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A Grand Tour Category could be useful -- Skyleth 12:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
What's the etymology of the term Grand Tour? I don't recall its usage before Y2K — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyrospite ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Is "Giri." You wouldn't say "paparazzos," would you?
Tonkov continued to race at a high level for several seasons. He was second in the 1997 and 1998 Giri d’Italia,
Nonetheless, you simply don’t win two Giri d’Italia by only being a solid climber and a lucky rider.
Though not a prolific winner, the farmer and donkey owner has amassed two stage wins and a 3rd-place overall finish in the past two Giri d'Italia.
Hmm? Nosleep break my slumber 15:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there some reason you removed my examples and, more importantly, my signature? Nosleep break my slumber 16:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Erik Zabel never won any stages in the Giro, so the statistics as they are currently presented in the table (21 Giro stage victories) are incorrect. Wenkbrauwalbatros ( talk) 20:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Cheers Wenkbrau. Very odd that Erik was credited with more than twice what he should be! Have removed them. Andrewdpcotton ( talk) 14:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Binda has won 41 stages in Giro d'Italia. In this section it is written that he won 42 stages. -- Mystère Martin ( talk) 10:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add this new section but I'd need help to do it. Or I can supply the data for an expert to do. Eduardo Chozas (ES) deserves recognition for his 27 participations and 26 finishes (in the '84 Vuelta he failed to complete the final stage), along with other notable cyclists in this category. EdX20 ( talk) 18:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add this information. Can anybody help me?:
MOST PODIUMS ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS ======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL======= Jacques Anquetil 6 6 1 13 Bernard Hinault 7 3 2 12 Eddy Merckx 6 5 1 12 Felice Gimondi 2 9 1 12 Raymond Poulidor 8 0 2 10 Gino Bartali 3 7 0 10 Miguel Induráin 5 3 1 9 Fausto Coppi 2 7 0 9 Lance Armstrong 8 0 0 8 Pedro Delgado 3 0 5 8 Joop Zoetemelk 7 0 1 8 CYCLISTS WHO REACHED PODIUM ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS ======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL======= Jacques Anquetil 6 6 1 13 Bernard Hinault 7 3 2 12 Eddy Merckx 6 5 1 12 Felice Gimondi 2 9 1 12 Miguel Induráin 5 3 1 9 Laurent Fignon 3 2 1 6 Carlos Sastre 2 1 3 6 Toni Rominger 1 1 4 6 Alberto Contador 2 1 2 5 Denís Menchov 2 1 2 5 Jose Manuel Fuente 1 1 2 4 Vincenzo Nibali 1 2 1 4 Herman Van Springel 1 1 1 3 MOST PODIUMS ON TOUR DE FRANCE ========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL======= Lance Armstrong* 7 0 1 8 Raymond Poulidor 0 3 5 8 Bernard Hinault 5 2 0 7 Joop Zoetemelk 1 6 0 7 Eddy Merckx 5 1 0 6 Jacques Anquetil 5 0 1 6 Jan Ullrich 1 5 0 6 Gustave Garrigou 1 3 2 6 Miguel Induráin 5 0 0 5 Greg LeMond 3 1 1 5 Louison Bobet 3 0 1 4 Nicolás Frantz 2 2 0 4 Antonin Magne 2 1 1 4 Jean Alavoine 0 2 2 4 MOST PODIUMS ON GIRO D'ITALIA ========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL======= Felice Gimondi 3 2 4 9 Fausto Coppi 5 2 0 7 Gino Bartali 3 4 0 7 Gilberto Simoni 2 1 4 7 Alfredo Binda 5 1 0 6 Giovanni Brunero 3 2 1 6 Francesco Moser 1 3 2 6 Eddy Merckx 5 0 0 5 Fiorenzo Magni 3 2 0 5 Giuseppe Saronni 2 1 1 4 Charly Gaul 2 0 2 4 Italo Zilioli 0 3 1 4 Bartolomeo Aimo 0 1 3 4 MOST PODIUMS ON VUELTA A ESPAÑA ========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL======= Roberto Heras 3 1 1 5 Pedro Delgado 2 1 2 5 Luis Ocaña 1 3 1 5 Tony Rominger 3 0 1 4 Julián Berrendero 2 2 0 4 Alejandro Valverde 1 2 1 4 José Pérez-Francés 0 2 2 4 Miguel María Lasa 0 2 2 4 Alex Zülle 2 1 0 3 Marino Lejarreta 1 1 1 3 Reimund Dietzen 0 2 1 3
— Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertCS ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
According to his Wikipedia page, he won 8 stages of the Tour and another 8 in the Giro, so 16 overall. Shouldn't he be in the most stage wins list therefore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.55.5 ( talk) 12:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the table list who was declared winner of the Tours when Armstrong wasn't listed? and the table of top totals winners, Armstrong should be listed and crossed out because the Tour now resumes listing him but crossed out. -- 65.94.43.89 ( talk) 07:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The governing body never awarded a winner for those years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salestron ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Whie no rider has won all three in a calendar year, Anquetil and Merx have held all three jerseys - Anquetil winning four tours in a row. Shoud we highlight this.
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Add section about women equivalent. Which races were considered part of GT (and during what period), what was their categorization ....
This current article should have title "Men's GT", as it only is about men even though there is Women's GT.
213.149.61.164 ( talk) 19:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
List of those who won all 3 GT races in a year. 213.149.62.46 ( talk) 13:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
This article will need to evolve regarding women's Grand Tour races. The Giro Donne has been around for a while now, but the Tour de France Femmes (re)launches in 2022, and La Vuelta Femenina is coming in 2023 - a full set of Women's Grand Tour races. So suggested options for this article -
Turini2 ( talk) 10:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
To consider the definition that is attempted in the intro: a Grand Tour is one of the three (once women's events are included, that is not the case) major (Crystal balling, at least for the Vuelta) European professional cycling stage races: Giro d'Italia, Tour de France, and Vuelta a España. Collectively they are termed the Grand Tours (not a phrase widely used in relation to the women's events), and all three races are similar in format, being three-week races (not the case) with daily stages. They have a special status in the UCI regulations: more points for the UCI World Tour are distributed in Grand Tours than in other races (not the case in terms of WWT points) and they are the only stage races allowed to last longer than 14 days (they don't). So by what already existing definition do you seek to treat them as GTs? Kevin McE ( talk) 14:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
References
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Cycling may, or may not, have borrowed the phrase grand tour from the leisure time exploits of the wealthy in post-Victorian times: that is a red herring. Wikipedia's standpoint is, quite approprately, to follow widespread usage: You say "Gotta start somewhere", but Wikipedia is not the place to start: its role is to respond to and report on what is established, not to campaign or promote a cause. Unless and until the cycling, and wider, media ordinarily refer to theese events as Grand Tours, Wikipedia should not. That is the only criterion that matters in this project: verifiability. Do you have any? Kevin McE ( talk) 18:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
To take those refs as though they were numbered:
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