![]() | The common English-language name for the medieval state centred around modern-day Kyiv is Kievan Rus' Although the modern-day capital of Ukraine is commonly spelled Kyiv in current English, per the Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME and the community consensus outlined on this talk page in April 2021, we use the spelling for the medieval state that is the more common name in English-language historiography, which is Kievan Rus', not Kyivan Rus'. This is not a comment on the identity or association of the medieval state to any modern country, language or culture; it is merely the spelling by which it is more commonly known in English-language literature.Please do not request that Kievan Rus' be changed to Kyivan Rus': any such request will be denied. |
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This page links to Tsar for rulers after 1132, and Tsar links here for rulers prior Daniel in 1283...so aren't there some rulers missing? Some of the Byzantine emperors pages refer to Rus' rulers after 1132, but I can't find them listed anywhere. Adam Bishop 06:18, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
"...and gave asylum to king Olaf of Norway."
The list to rulers of Kievan Rus cannot include Novgorod princes, because they never ruled Kiev.-- Alex Kov 05:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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@ Thomas.W: Olso about Aleander Nevsky, O. Rusina wrote "after the death of Yaroslav Vsevolodovich (1246) his sons, Alexander and Andrew, neglecting the rights of his uncle Svyatoslav Vsevolodovich, disposed of in 1247 "to the Tatars" and have achieved that that Andrew received from Khan Vladimir, and the eldest, Olexandr, - "Kyiv and all the Russian land". True, the last one was the nominee of Kiev: turning to Novgorod, where he reigned earlier, Alexander began the struggle with Andrew and in 1252, having obtained the right from the Tatars "Oldest in all his brothers", took Vladimir. After that Kiev finally left beyond the boundaries of most recent political interests of the princes of the North-Eastern Russia" [1] After that she wrote that no any information about rulers in late XIII century, so Kyiv stay without princess till the middle of XIV century. Augustus-ua ( talk) 15:51, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
As was mentioned on the Kyiv talk page, some historical (mostly Russian) articles would need to be discussed before moving them to Kyiv. This is likely one of them. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Grand Prince of Kiev →
Grand Prince of Kyiv – Dear all! Wright spelling of the city in the Romanization system is
KYIV (not Kiev). Please look fot the Kyiv wiki-page as well as
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Vladimir-I.
B.Lukashyk (
talk)
13:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
The authenticity of the Veles Book is not disputed. It is a verified forgery. Is this an encyclopedia or a brothel? Disgusting... 47.17.216.1 ( talk) 05:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Need rename name to Kyiv, because Kiev - Russian pronouncements. Kyiv - its international name capital of Ukraine and Kyivan Rus' Lyaschuchenko ( talk) 00:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Article semi-protected for a year to prevent the endless rounds of Kiev/Kyiv changes. Requesting that editors please respect the consensus in the RfC above: if you disagree with the outcome feel free to wait a reasonable time and propose a new RfC rather than edit-warring changes into the article itself.
Apologies to any IP or new editor who wanted to make other legitimate edits to this article - please instead post these changes as edit-requests on this talkpage. -- Euryalus ( talk) 07:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
What WP:LISTCRITERIA for inclusion do we set? It is quite obvious that none have been set so far, because the article contradicts itself in everything from title ("Grand Prince of Kiev", "Prince of Kiev", an alleged "Kagan of the Rus'", or the alleged "founder of Kiev") to chronology (from the 9th or 10th century? Was Kyi, Rurik, Oleg or Volodimer I the first to carry the title? Until 1240 or 1362? And why?) to geography (apparently it also counts if there allegedly was some Rus' Khaganate that was allegedly according to some not based in Kiev at all). At the very least, any person on this list must be identified as "Grand Prince of Kiev" in WP:RS. It's not enough for them to have allegedly resided in Kiev, or to have allegedly been a "ruler" of "the Rus'" regardless of their actual title, and it's not enough to just be "Prince of Kiev" (because there was also a Principality of Kiev, which is not the same as Kievan Rus'). Although to be fair, the primary sources may not explicitly identify particular monarchs as "Grand Prince of Kiev", (e.g. Volodimer I is mostly called "our great kagan" in the Sermon on Law and Grace, and the text uses the words князи ("prince") and Кыевъ ("Kyevŭ") only once and not in relation to Volodimer), per WP:PRIMARY that's irrelevant, so as long as reliable secondary sources identify him as a "Grand Prince of Kiev", that is okay. The rest of this is just a bunch of WP:OR or WP:SYNTH, and needs to be cleaned up. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
This is not a merger proposal yet, I'm just documenting this for a potential future merger. For the moment it seems far more important to agree on inclusion criteria and to provide WP:RS for all contents inside this article/list (see previous section #Inclusion criteria).
Per WP:REDUNDANTFORK, we may have to integrate the following list/article sections into this list:
There might also be WP:OVERLAP with Family tree of Russian monarchs and Rurik dynasty. When I've done more reading and editing, I'll get back to this question. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 20:26, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Need to be changed AnnaYarmoliuk ( talk) 06:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
![]() | The common English-language name for the medieval state centred around modern-day Kyiv is Kievan Rus' Although the modern-day capital of Ukraine is commonly spelled Kyiv in current English, per the Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME and the community consensus outlined on this talk page in April 2021, we use the spelling for the medieval state that is the more common name in English-language historiography, which is Kievan Rus', not Kyivan Rus'. This is not a comment on the identity or association of the medieval state to any modern country, language or culture; it is merely the spelling by which it is more commonly known in English-language literature.Please do not request that Kievan Rus' be changed to Kyivan Rus': any such request will be denied. |
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This page links to Tsar for rulers after 1132, and Tsar links here for rulers prior Daniel in 1283...so aren't there some rulers missing? Some of the Byzantine emperors pages refer to Rus' rulers after 1132, but I can't find them listed anywhere. Adam Bishop 06:18, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
"...and gave asylum to king Olaf of Norway."
The list to rulers of Kievan Rus cannot include Novgorod princes, because they never ruled Kiev.-- Alex Kov 05:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The image Image:Sviatoslav sculputre.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 02:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
@ Thomas.W: Olso about Aleander Nevsky, O. Rusina wrote "after the death of Yaroslav Vsevolodovich (1246) his sons, Alexander and Andrew, neglecting the rights of his uncle Svyatoslav Vsevolodovich, disposed of in 1247 "to the Tatars" and have achieved that that Andrew received from Khan Vladimir, and the eldest, Olexandr, - "Kyiv and all the Russian land". True, the last one was the nominee of Kiev: turning to Novgorod, where he reigned earlier, Alexander began the struggle with Andrew and in 1252, having obtained the right from the Tatars "Oldest in all his brothers", took Vladimir. After that Kiev finally left beyond the boundaries of most recent political interests of the princes of the North-Eastern Russia" [1] After that she wrote that no any information about rulers in late XIII century, so Kyiv stay without princess till the middle of XIV century. Augustus-ua ( talk) 15:51, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
As was mentioned on the Kyiv talk page, some historical (mostly Russian) articles would need to be discussed before moving them to Kyiv. This is likely one of them. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 13:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Grand Prince of Kiev →
Grand Prince of Kyiv – Dear all! Wright spelling of the city in the Romanization system is
KYIV (not Kiev). Please look fot the Kyiv wiki-page as well as
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Vladimir-I.
B.Lukashyk (
talk)
13:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
The authenticity of the Veles Book is not disputed. It is a verified forgery. Is this an encyclopedia or a brothel? Disgusting... 47.17.216.1 ( talk) 05:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Need rename name to Kyiv, because Kiev - Russian pronouncements. Kyiv - its international name capital of Ukraine and Kyivan Rus' Lyaschuchenko ( talk) 00:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Article semi-protected for a year to prevent the endless rounds of Kiev/Kyiv changes. Requesting that editors please respect the consensus in the RfC above: if you disagree with the outcome feel free to wait a reasonable time and propose a new RfC rather than edit-warring changes into the article itself.
Apologies to any IP or new editor who wanted to make other legitimate edits to this article - please instead post these changes as edit-requests on this talkpage. -- Euryalus ( talk) 07:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
What WP:LISTCRITERIA for inclusion do we set? It is quite obvious that none have been set so far, because the article contradicts itself in everything from title ("Grand Prince of Kiev", "Prince of Kiev", an alleged "Kagan of the Rus'", or the alleged "founder of Kiev") to chronology (from the 9th or 10th century? Was Kyi, Rurik, Oleg or Volodimer I the first to carry the title? Until 1240 or 1362? And why?) to geography (apparently it also counts if there allegedly was some Rus' Khaganate that was allegedly according to some not based in Kiev at all). At the very least, any person on this list must be identified as "Grand Prince of Kiev" in WP:RS. It's not enough for them to have allegedly resided in Kiev, or to have allegedly been a "ruler" of "the Rus'" regardless of their actual title, and it's not enough to just be "Prince of Kiev" (because there was also a Principality of Kiev, which is not the same as Kievan Rus'). Although to be fair, the primary sources may not explicitly identify particular monarchs as "Grand Prince of Kiev", (e.g. Volodimer I is mostly called "our great kagan" in the Sermon on Law and Grace, and the text uses the words князи ("prince") and Кыевъ ("Kyevŭ") only once and not in relation to Volodimer), per WP:PRIMARY that's irrelevant, so as long as reliable secondary sources identify him as a "Grand Prince of Kiev", that is okay. The rest of this is just a bunch of WP:OR or WP:SYNTH, and needs to be cleaned up. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:29, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
This is not a merger proposal yet, I'm just documenting this for a potential future merger. For the moment it seems far more important to agree on inclusion criteria and to provide WP:RS for all contents inside this article/list (see previous section #Inclusion criteria).
Per WP:REDUNDANTFORK, we may have to integrate the following list/article sections into this list:
There might also be WP:OVERLAP with Family tree of Russian monarchs and Rurik dynasty. When I've done more reading and editing, I'll get back to this question. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 20:26, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Need to be changed AnnaYarmoliuk ( talk) 06:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)