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I removed the following paragraph from the introduction:
The "Grand Portage" does not cross the divide -- it simply bypasses unnavigable portions (i.e. waterfalls) of the Pigeon River. I know this from personal experience, having portaged and canoed through Grand Portage National Monument. The divide is not "a few miles" from Lake Superior as the paragraph suggests, but rather crosses between South Lake and North Lake at a location known (at least locally) as "Height of Land Portage", in reference to the crossing of the Laurentian (or "Northern") Divide. ( Google Maps) I think references to the Nelson River and Saint Lawrence River should include an explanation of their role as major outlet rivers and their general locations -- I personally couldn't draw the Nelson River on a map of Canada. Also, both these rivers are far away (hundreds, thousands of miles) away from the topic of the article. -- BlueCanoe 00:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Nice article, but I have one bit of nit-picking. Although the Cree map was drawn in 1729, I believe the French didn't actually use the portage until LaVerendrye and his crew used it in 1731. ??? IWfromWI 14:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In 1729 Cree guide Auchagah drew a map for some of the first French fur traders showing them how to reach the "western sea" of Lake Winnipeg. In time, Grand Portage became the gateway into rich northern fur bearing country connecting remote interior outposts to lucrative international markets.
Canada: Jacques de Noyon arrives to Rainy Lake and binds preliminary trade with Assiniboines.
In 1688, De Noyon canoed up the Kaministiquia River, and then possibly as far as the Lake of the Woods. It was here that he learned from the local Aboriginal peoples of a western ocean from which this lake flowed (likely Lake Winnipeg). However, French westward expansion was halted due to conflict with English in the period 1689-1713.
Thank you for the information. I know the Kam route was the most common throughout the early french period and had assumed this was followed both ways. It is certainly feasible that he travelled back using the Grand Portage, but there doesn't seem to be any good proof. As far as Nute is concerned... be cautious. Many current fur trade historians have mixed feelings about her work. While they were landmarks of the period, they are now a bit outdated and suffer from a lack of available information when she originally did her research. This topic of de Noyen and GP is one I will have to investigate further... I am intrigued IWfromWI 15:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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I removed the following paragraph from the introduction:
The "Grand Portage" does not cross the divide -- it simply bypasses unnavigable portions (i.e. waterfalls) of the Pigeon River. I know this from personal experience, having portaged and canoed through Grand Portage National Monument. The divide is not "a few miles" from Lake Superior as the paragraph suggests, but rather crosses between South Lake and North Lake at a location known (at least locally) as "Height of Land Portage", in reference to the crossing of the Laurentian (or "Northern") Divide. ( Google Maps) I think references to the Nelson River and Saint Lawrence River should include an explanation of their role as major outlet rivers and their general locations -- I personally couldn't draw the Nelson River on a map of Canada. Also, both these rivers are far away (hundreds, thousands of miles) away from the topic of the article. -- BlueCanoe 00:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Nice article, but I have one bit of nit-picking. Although the Cree map was drawn in 1729, I believe the French didn't actually use the portage until LaVerendrye and his crew used it in 1731. ??? IWfromWI 14:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In 1729 Cree guide Auchagah drew a map for some of the first French fur traders showing them how to reach the "western sea" of Lake Winnipeg. In time, Grand Portage became the gateway into rich northern fur bearing country connecting remote interior outposts to lucrative international markets.
Canada: Jacques de Noyon arrives to Rainy Lake and binds preliminary trade with Assiniboines.
In 1688, De Noyon canoed up the Kaministiquia River, and then possibly as far as the Lake of the Woods. It was here that he learned from the local Aboriginal peoples of a western ocean from which this lake flowed (likely Lake Winnipeg). However, French westward expansion was halted due to conflict with English in the period 1689-1713.
Thank you for the information. I know the Kam route was the most common throughout the early french period and had assumed this was followed both ways. It is certainly feasible that he travelled back using the Grand Portage, but there doesn't seem to be any good proof. As far as Nute is concerned... be cautious. Many current fur trade historians have mixed feelings about her work. While they were landmarks of the period, they are now a bit outdated and suffer from a lack of available information when she originally did her research. This topic of de Noyen and GP is one I will have to investigate further... I am intrigued IWfromWI 15:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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