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Wagner's - Who is Wagner? This is our first time reading about him. Can we get a brief introduction, such as "the German composer"?
Wagner is perhaps one of the top-10 best-known composers, and nationality plays little role in music, and the Germany we have today didn't even exist then, - so - in sink with project opera, better not. --GA
again per project opera: when an opera has an article, its author doesn't need one. Those who really don't know Britten can be sure to find a link in the opera, avoiding a sea-of-blue.
Janácek, Richard Strauss, Alban Berg, and Benjamin Britten could do with a brief introduction.
even if these are not as well-known as Wagner, better not, because most readers who are interested in an opera singer will be familiar with the composers, and for the few others, there's a link, - perhaps compare GAs such as
Jessye Norman or
Johanna Geisler. I have been criticised as pedantic for mentioning the composer at all, but that is my compromise for those less familiar with opera: I don't assume that they all know who wrote Aida and Peter Grimes. --GA
At present, all but the first sentence in the lead begin with the same word. This can be improved by either combining sentences or altering their initial word. For instance, the last two sentences could be merged to read: "Remembered as a "superb, athletic actor with a strong, penetrating voice and exceptionally clear diction", he took part in..".
good idea, sorry for not noticing, - only: those two sentences have nothing to do with each other, and I like the memory as a close. I'll see if there's more lead-worthy material to combine with the premieres. --GA
Thank you for reviewing. Please excuse that it's late here, and the next two days, I will have little to no time, - two weddings in a row - after no wedding in years. I'll be back, promised.
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
21:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)reply
That's okay, Gerda. I'll also be quite busy for the next few days, so it won't be a problem. I understand your reasoning in response to points 1, 3, and 4. It would be better to ignore a few points in the following sections where I mention the same things. —
Goldencall me maybe?21:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Biography
His parents were Ronald Clark and Annie Clark - Is there any additional noteworthy information about these individuals, maybe regarding their professions?
Please wikilink and briefly introduce
Sergei Prokofiev and
Mikhail Glinka. Add a Wikilink for all other individuals mentioned in the article who have corresponding Wikipedia pages.
Please provide a brief introduction for Bruce Boyce, Richard Bonynge, Joan Sutherland, Heather Begg, Clifford Grant, and any other individuals mentioned in the article who have not been previously introduced.
similarly, names are given to supply an impression for the class of people with whom he worked, - readers who don't known Joan Sutherland yet are welcome to find out, but most readers who know opera a bit know that she was a top soprano, - it actually doesn't change his bio much. --GA
I dropped the French obit from that position (although it had been the first at all), and a Dutch one completely that seems to have no information we can't find in the English ones. I'll study the Guardian obit more thoroughly which was added after later, - probably tomorrow. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
17:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The link you provided takes me to the information page for the book, but unfortunately, no preview is available for that version. —
Goldencall me maybe?
Earwig's detector has flagged potential instances of copyright infringement. Kindly rephrase the following sentences or phrases: Clark was born in Littleborough, Lancashire, on 10 November 1941; as a treble in the; for a charity gala at the Royal Opera House; in the world premiere of Corigliano's The Ghosts of Versailles; Clark was nominated three times for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Opera Awards; for his role in The Ghosts of Versailles at the, was awarded an honorary doctorate by Loughborough University.
"Clark was born in Littleborough, Lancashire, on 10 November 1941" - this is just the standard wording.
"for a charity gala at the Royal Opera House" - similar, - I have no way to say that differently without loosing precision or elegance - help welcome, English is not my native language
It's not my native language either, but I would rephrase it like this: "He had his breakthrough when Richard Bonynge accepted him to participate in a charity gala held at London's Royal Opera House.." —
Goldencall me maybe?
"in the world premiere of Corigliano's The Ghosts of Versailles" - that's also just the standard order
"Clark was nominated three times for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Opera Awards" - I put the three times at the end but can't change the name of the award
Try "Clark received nominations for the Opera Awards in the category of Outstanding Individual Achievement, in the years 1983, 1986, and 1993." —
Goldencall me maybe?
"for his role in The Ghosts of Versailles at the" - standard order
Done. I've guessed the date of the photo to be 1990s at the latest, though it might be the 1980s. I can't tell from the b/w photo whether he was blond, or whether he was going grey.
Storye book (
talk)
09:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)reply
This is an engaging article about a fascinating individual. I found it to be a delightful read. I look forward to seeing your revisions in response to my points. —
Goldencall me maybe?18:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Golden, I am back after good days. Please give me one more day to integrate the Guardian obit more. Mime in women's clothes seems worth mentioning, - not every singer would do that ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
17:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A fact from Graham Clark (tenor) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 September 2023 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Opera, a group writing and editing Wikipedia articles on operas, opera terminology, opera composers and librettists, singers, designers, directors and managers, companies and houses, publications and recordings. The project discussion page is a place to talk about issues and exchange ideas. New members are welcome!OperaWikipedia:WikiProject OperaTemplate:WikiProject OperaOpera articles
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Wagner's - Who is Wagner? This is our first time reading about him. Can we get a brief introduction, such as "the German composer"?
Wagner is perhaps one of the top-10 best-known composers, and nationality plays little role in music, and the Germany we have today didn't even exist then, - so - in sink with project opera, better not. --GA
again per project opera: when an opera has an article, its author doesn't need one. Those who really don't know Britten can be sure to find a link in the opera, avoiding a sea-of-blue.
Janácek, Richard Strauss, Alban Berg, and Benjamin Britten could do with a brief introduction.
even if these are not as well-known as Wagner, better not, because most readers who are interested in an opera singer will be familiar with the composers, and for the few others, there's a link, - perhaps compare GAs such as
Jessye Norman or
Johanna Geisler. I have been criticised as pedantic for mentioning the composer at all, but that is my compromise for those less familiar with opera: I don't assume that they all know who wrote Aida and Peter Grimes. --GA
At present, all but the first sentence in the lead begin with the same word. This can be improved by either combining sentences or altering their initial word. For instance, the last two sentences could be merged to read: "Remembered as a "superb, athletic actor with a strong, penetrating voice and exceptionally clear diction", he took part in..".
good idea, sorry for not noticing, - only: those two sentences have nothing to do with each other, and I like the memory as a close. I'll see if there's more lead-worthy material to combine with the premieres. --GA
Thank you for reviewing. Please excuse that it's late here, and the next two days, I will have little to no time, - two weddings in a row - after no wedding in years. I'll be back, promised.
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
21:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)reply
That's okay, Gerda. I'll also be quite busy for the next few days, so it won't be a problem. I understand your reasoning in response to points 1, 3, and 4. It would be better to ignore a few points in the following sections where I mention the same things. —
Goldencall me maybe?21:15, 3 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Biography
His parents were Ronald Clark and Annie Clark - Is there any additional noteworthy information about these individuals, maybe regarding their professions?
Please wikilink and briefly introduce
Sergei Prokofiev and
Mikhail Glinka. Add a Wikilink for all other individuals mentioned in the article who have corresponding Wikipedia pages.
Please provide a brief introduction for Bruce Boyce, Richard Bonynge, Joan Sutherland, Heather Begg, Clifford Grant, and any other individuals mentioned in the article who have not been previously introduced.
similarly, names are given to supply an impression for the class of people with whom he worked, - readers who don't known Joan Sutherland yet are welcome to find out, but most readers who know opera a bit know that she was a top soprano, - it actually doesn't change his bio much. --GA
I dropped the French obit from that position (although it had been the first at all), and a Dutch one completely that seems to have no information we can't find in the English ones. I'll study the Guardian obit more thoroughly which was added after later, - probably tomorrow. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
17:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The link you provided takes me to the information page for the book, but unfortunately, no preview is available for that version. —
Goldencall me maybe?
Earwig's detector has flagged potential instances of copyright infringement. Kindly rephrase the following sentences or phrases: Clark was born in Littleborough, Lancashire, on 10 November 1941; as a treble in the; for a charity gala at the Royal Opera House; in the world premiere of Corigliano's The Ghosts of Versailles; Clark was nominated three times for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Opera Awards; for his role in The Ghosts of Versailles at the, was awarded an honorary doctorate by Loughborough University.
"Clark was born in Littleborough, Lancashire, on 10 November 1941" - this is just the standard wording.
"for a charity gala at the Royal Opera House" - similar, - I have no way to say that differently without loosing precision or elegance - help welcome, English is not my native language
It's not my native language either, but I would rephrase it like this: "He had his breakthrough when Richard Bonynge accepted him to participate in a charity gala held at London's Royal Opera House.." —
Goldencall me maybe?
"in the world premiere of Corigliano's The Ghosts of Versailles" - that's also just the standard order
"Clark was nominated three times for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Opera Awards" - I put the three times at the end but can't change the name of the award
Try "Clark received nominations for the Opera Awards in the category of Outstanding Individual Achievement, in the years 1983, 1986, and 1993." —
Goldencall me maybe?
"for his role in The Ghosts of Versailles at the" - standard order
Done. I've guessed the date of the photo to be 1990s at the latest, though it might be the 1980s. I can't tell from the b/w photo whether he was blond, or whether he was going grey.
Storye book (
talk)
09:09, 12 August 2023 (UTC)reply
This is an engaging article about a fascinating individual. I found it to be a delightful read. I look forward to seeing your revisions in response to my points. —
Goldencall me maybe?18:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)reply
Golden, I am back after good days. Please give me one more day to integrate the Guardian obit more. Mime in women's clothes seems worth mentioning, - not every singer would do that ;) --
Gerda Arendt (
talk)
17:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.