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I deleted the phrase "nor is it sanctioned by the National Labor Relations Board as an official union" from the header because the NLRB doesn't "sanction" unions. The NLRB, when petitioned by employees, will "certify" a collective bargaining agent after a "representation election." Afterwards, the employer (and the union) have legal obligation to bargain in good faith. This process is, however, not necessary for collective bargaining. A union and an employer can reach a contract without any involvement of the NLRB; the NLRB only has to come in when the employer refuses to deal with the union. So, it isn't right to say that GET-UP isn't "sanctioned" by the NLRB, since this could never happen, and since the key point of this sentence - that the university has not recognized the union for the purposes of collective bargaining - does not rely upon any NLRB action or "sanctioning." The university could recognize GET-UP any day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.197.191.8 ( talk)
I don't think so. The vast majority of labor relations in the US take place without any input from the NLRB. It is the last resort for employees in the private sector who have an employer that won't recognize their right to form a union, or committs unfair labor practices against the employees (i.e. threats, etc.). The NLRB decision, and this is a key point, does not prevent recognition of the union, it just says that recognition won't be enforced by the federal government. The decision to recognize and bargain, as always, remains with the employer. I'm not sure I fully understand the comment about portraying the university in poor light. Could you elaborate? The university has waged a 6 year campaign against the union. The NLRB ordered one election that resulted in the union winning election. The university appealed the decision, and was able to get out of recognizing the union because of a new decision by the Bush-NLRB. These two decisions are important to the story, but the basic issue has been the university's continous refusal to recognize the right of the employees to bargain, independent of what the NLRB says, for six years. That's the facts. I'm not sure how to say that in a less negative sounding way. As an aside, the university's PR dept. has often tried to tell the story as one just about NLRB decisions, rather than the university's own decisions. Perhaps that sheds light on how this needs to be framed.
This page has no business being up on Wikipedia. It is essentially a propoganda page for GET-UP.
I just adjusted the "anniversary strike" section to indicate that the meeting and strongly-supporting vote were of GET-UP. Otherwise it could appear to be of some other graduate student group (GSAC, GAPSA, whatever). Actually, is/was GET-UP itself striving to represent all graduate students, or only some departments/divisions/schools? In general, lots of numbers are used without indicating their relative value, which makes it sound much more propaganda-like (trying to wow with large values). Is "hundreds of graduate students" almost all graduate students or almost all of the ones that would be represented or really only a small percentage? Does 97 profs indicate that most of the faculty supports, or is that number a tiny percentage? 70.17.239.177 07:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
This page does not mention the intense opposition that GET-UP faces from undergraduates and many faculty members. It is clearly a propaganda page for GET-UP and should be deleted immediately.
-- Niremetal 02:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
That is totally BS. If you want to put in a section about 'controversy' and document it with citations, then fine. But you can't say a page that doesn't contain detailed descriptions of those that oppose it is 'propaganda.' The other union web pages on Wiki do not contain such remarks and they are not labeled as 'propaganda' (i.e.
SEIU,
AFT,
AFSCME). Nor do the pages on universities contain large sections on those that 'oppose' them (i.e.
U-Penn,
Columbia,
Harvard). Thus, I am deleting the 'propaganda' label.
This discussion was settled a long time ago on this page when the same user previously tried to label it propaganda in December, 2005. If you want to actually think about this issue, rather than just taking cheap shots at unions, consider the Wiki entry on propaganda. June 17, 2006.
To address the propaganda issue: I added a criticism section that I feel is fairly comprehensive. Everything is fully cited, and I believe that it is fair. March 5, 2007.
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All but one of the included links for this page are dead (404). I added in a new link and did peripheral Google searches to find replacements; however, most of the content on this page is unsubstantiated claims. I think that more should be deleted from this page; however, I am leaving it for now so that others can try to find sources for the content in this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.52.218.100 ( talk) 04:01, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
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I deleted the phrase "nor is it sanctioned by the National Labor Relations Board as an official union" from the header because the NLRB doesn't "sanction" unions. The NLRB, when petitioned by employees, will "certify" a collective bargaining agent after a "representation election." Afterwards, the employer (and the union) have legal obligation to bargain in good faith. This process is, however, not necessary for collective bargaining. A union and an employer can reach a contract without any involvement of the NLRB; the NLRB only has to come in when the employer refuses to deal with the union. So, it isn't right to say that GET-UP isn't "sanctioned" by the NLRB, since this could never happen, and since the key point of this sentence - that the university has not recognized the union for the purposes of collective bargaining - does not rely upon any NLRB action or "sanctioning." The university could recognize GET-UP any day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.197.191.8 ( talk)
I don't think so. The vast majority of labor relations in the US take place without any input from the NLRB. It is the last resort for employees in the private sector who have an employer that won't recognize their right to form a union, or committs unfair labor practices against the employees (i.e. threats, etc.). The NLRB decision, and this is a key point, does not prevent recognition of the union, it just says that recognition won't be enforced by the federal government. The decision to recognize and bargain, as always, remains with the employer. I'm not sure I fully understand the comment about portraying the university in poor light. Could you elaborate? The university has waged a 6 year campaign against the union. The NLRB ordered one election that resulted in the union winning election. The university appealed the decision, and was able to get out of recognizing the union because of a new decision by the Bush-NLRB. These two decisions are important to the story, but the basic issue has been the university's continous refusal to recognize the right of the employees to bargain, independent of what the NLRB says, for six years. That's the facts. I'm not sure how to say that in a less negative sounding way. As an aside, the university's PR dept. has often tried to tell the story as one just about NLRB decisions, rather than the university's own decisions. Perhaps that sheds light on how this needs to be framed.
This page has no business being up on Wikipedia. It is essentially a propoganda page for GET-UP.
I just adjusted the "anniversary strike" section to indicate that the meeting and strongly-supporting vote were of GET-UP. Otherwise it could appear to be of some other graduate student group (GSAC, GAPSA, whatever). Actually, is/was GET-UP itself striving to represent all graduate students, or only some departments/divisions/schools? In general, lots of numbers are used without indicating their relative value, which makes it sound much more propaganda-like (trying to wow with large values). Is "hundreds of graduate students" almost all graduate students or almost all of the ones that would be represented or really only a small percentage? Does 97 profs indicate that most of the faculty supports, or is that number a tiny percentage? 70.17.239.177 07:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
This page does not mention the intense opposition that GET-UP faces from undergraduates and many faculty members. It is clearly a propaganda page for GET-UP and should be deleted immediately.
-- Niremetal 02:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
That is totally BS. If you want to put in a section about 'controversy' and document it with citations, then fine. But you can't say a page that doesn't contain detailed descriptions of those that oppose it is 'propaganda.' The other union web pages on Wiki do not contain such remarks and they are not labeled as 'propaganda' (i.e.
SEIU,
AFT,
AFSCME). Nor do the pages on universities contain large sections on those that 'oppose' them (i.e.
U-Penn,
Columbia,
Harvard). Thus, I am deleting the 'propaganda' label.
This discussion was settled a long time ago on this page when the same user previously tried to label it propaganda in December, 2005. If you want to actually think about this issue, rather than just taking cheap shots at unions, consider the Wiki entry on propaganda. June 17, 2006.
To address the propaganda issue: I added a criticism section that I feel is fairly comprehensive. Everything is fully cited, and I believe that it is fair. March 5, 2007.
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All but one of the included links for this page are dead (404). I added in a new link and did peripheral Google searches to find replacements; however, most of the content on this page is unsubstantiated claims. I think that more should be deleted from this page; however, I am leaving it for now so that others can try to find sources for the content in this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.52.218.100 ( talk) 04:01, 8 March 2017 (UTC)