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Ok, after the discussions
here and
here, I'm going to make significant changes to the article, and notably changing its title. It seems that the exact nature of the Szalasi regime has been misinterpreted by previous editors.
Jean-Jacques Georges (
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07:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)reply
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Government articles can also be state articles, and plus this was a puppet government established by Nazi Germany, which means that Hungary became a puppet state even if it originally wasn't one. --
177.207.54.96 (
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23:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)reply
While not here, and again, the government passed through legal framework, and anyway a puppet government not necessarily makes a state puppet.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
19:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC))reply
The government being passed through legal framework doesn't mean it isn't a puppet though, plus Horthy wouldn't do it if the Germans didn't force him to, and how does a puppet government not make a state a puppet? This doesn't make sense. --
177.158.117.125 (
talk)
23:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Please do not confuse the two terms, pupper states are created or established, this is a bit different from puppet governments, however this case we could not even speak of true puppet issued.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
20:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC))reply
This distinction doesn't exist, a puppet government makes a state a puppet automatically, and also, how exactly was the government not a puppet? --
191.34.233.149 (
talk)
19:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Sorry, you are assering hypothetical things, it not as you say. I already explained the government was set and passed legally, keeping all contstututional framework in a multi-party system.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
23:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC))reply
But again, the government was only set and passed because Horthy was forced to, plus Horthy was also forced to resign as regent after the government was set up. --
187.58.89.110 (
talk)
21:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply
But just because it was established through legal means doesn't meant it wasn't a puppet government, plus Horthy himself said that it had little legality because he was forced to, and also abolishing the title of regent was quite a big change for the country.
179.183.231.78 (
talk)
22:40, 7 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Your argumentation is very circular. Horthy's later evaluation is not binding back in time, and Leader of the Nation was established instead, which was quite similar.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
00:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC))reply
If I am circular, it is just becuase you reiterate thing we already discussed. As said earlier, your automatic assumption is arguable, to say nothing of the other whereabouts I already told.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
14:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC))reply
I already explained, puppet states are created or founded usually, and again, goverments are not states. In any field could be anything a puppet by a certain point of view.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
15:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC))reply
But, yes, there are created puppet states. I mean that regarding many countries we could assume foreign influence or intervention at any level - anytime in history -, and by taste we may judge differently how deep it would be.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
12:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC))reply
Of course there is, but just because a state wasn't created as puppet doesn't mean it can't become one, and many sources describe the Government of National Unity as puppet of Nazi Germany, if you are trying to claim that it wasn't, you will have to provide sources to support your claim. --
191.34.234.118 (
talk)
23:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Again, when a country is ruled by a puppet government that country automatically becomes a puppet state, and as I mentioned before, most sources describe the Government of National Unity as a puppet. --
179.179.166.195 (
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20:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)reply
You've been explained everything more times. However, please understand finally this article is about a Government, not else.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
10:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC))reply
As I have said before, Hungary became a puppet state after the Government was established, for this reason, state categories should be restored. --
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07:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply
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Ok, after the discussions
here and
here, I'm going to make significant changes to the article, and notably changing its title. It seems that the exact nature of the Szalasi regime has been misinterpreted by previous editors.
Jean-Jacques Georges (
talk)
07:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)reply
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Government articles can also be state articles, and plus this was a puppet government established by Nazi Germany, which means that Hungary became a puppet state even if it originally wasn't one. --
177.207.54.96 (
talk)
23:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)reply
While not here, and again, the government passed through legal framework, and anyway a puppet government not necessarily makes a state puppet.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
19:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC))reply
The government being passed through legal framework doesn't mean it isn't a puppet though, plus Horthy wouldn't do it if the Germans didn't force him to, and how does a puppet government not make a state a puppet? This doesn't make sense. --
177.158.117.125 (
talk)
23:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Please do not confuse the two terms, pupper states are created or established, this is a bit different from puppet governments, however this case we could not even speak of true puppet issued.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
20:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC))reply
This distinction doesn't exist, a puppet government makes a state a puppet automatically, and also, how exactly was the government not a puppet? --
191.34.233.149 (
talk)
19:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Sorry, you are assering hypothetical things, it not as you say. I already explained the government was set and passed legally, keeping all contstututional framework in a multi-party system.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
23:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC))reply
But again, the government was only set and passed because Horthy was forced to, plus Horthy was also forced to resign as regent after the government was set up. --
187.58.89.110 (
talk)
21:31, 4 October 2020 (UTC)reply
But just because it was established through legal means doesn't meant it wasn't a puppet government, plus Horthy himself said that it had little legality because he was forced to, and also abolishing the title of regent was quite a big change for the country.
179.183.231.78 (
talk)
22:40, 7 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Your argumentation is very circular. Horthy's later evaluation is not binding back in time, and Leader of the Nation was established instead, which was quite similar.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
00:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC))reply
If I am circular, it is just becuase you reiterate thing we already discussed. As said earlier, your automatic assumption is arguable, to say nothing of the other whereabouts I already told.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
14:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC))reply
I already explained, puppet states are created or founded usually, and again, goverments are not states. In any field could be anything a puppet by a certain point of view.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
15:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC))reply
But, yes, there are created puppet states. I mean that regarding many countries we could assume foreign influence or intervention at any level - anytime in history -, and by taste we may judge differently how deep it would be.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
12:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC))reply
Of course there is, but just because a state wasn't created as puppet doesn't mean it can't become one, and many sources describe the Government of National Unity as puppet of Nazi Germany, if you are trying to claim that it wasn't, you will have to provide sources to support your claim. --
191.34.234.118 (
talk)
23:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Again, when a country is ruled by a puppet government that country automatically becomes a puppet state, and as I mentioned before, most sources describe the Government of National Unity as a puppet. --
179.179.166.195 (
talk)
20:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)reply
You've been explained everything more times. However, please understand finally this article is about a Government, not else.(
KIENGIR (
talk)
10:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC))reply
As I have said before, Hungary became a puppet state after the Government was established, for this reason, state categories should be restored. --
179.179.166.72 (
talk)
07:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)reply