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This sentence in the section 'Laughter in Primates' :"self-awareness of one's situation, or the ability to identify with somebody else's predicament, are prerequisites for laughter, so animals are not really laughing in the same way that we do" makes it seem that no animal has the ability of self-awareness. Goodall and others have proven (to an extent) that chimpanzees have self awareness, and thus awareness of others. Arges86 16:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The laughter section in the gorilla article really has little to do with gorillas. It doesn't really belong. -- 68.72.109.117 01:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In the article "Looking at Ape Diets," it says that gorillas - including the mountain gorilla - are folivores, not omnivores. The article says that the fact that they eat insects, even deliberately eat insects, does not mean they aren't still considered folivores. 70.50.54.112 02:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you, they are not really omnivores. They are herbivores that eat insects. It should be changed, as it is misleading to the casual visitor. (Satwa)
Calling gorillas omnivores is splitting hairs to the point of being incorrect. The fact that they eat a few bugs does not really make them omnivores anymore than horses are omnivores because of all the insects they eat while they graze. The physiology argument is not relevant as calling something a frugivore, carnivore, folivore, etc refers to what they eat, not what they could eat. 66.90.144.92 ( talk) 05:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with UTC and Satwa, they are strictly vegetarians, it is misleading the many guests of Wikipedia. However, I see that it might be acceptable to edit that while they are strictly herbivorous, their physiology allows them to eat plants and animals, as UtherSRG stated. The Winged Yoshi —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Winged Yoshi ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
It seems like this discussion has gone stale. Since Dec 21 (the last comment), no changes have been made here. I just visited this article and was surprised to see Gorillas being labeled omnivores. They are vegetarians, and herbivores or foliovores would be a much better description. All the arguments above stand. Let's see if we get any more input on this in the coming week, if not, then I will update the article with a note about the insect eating. Abhishekbh ( talk) 05:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The fact that they eat insects means they are definitely not "strictly vegetarian", what seems odd to me is that there is no mention of the fact that they eat their own dung. yes, it is disgusting, but it is a well established fact, and it is a major part of their diet. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 03:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Would you believe Dian Fossey? Gorillas in the mist John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 21:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Though the 2005 article did indeed imply tool use was newly discovered in gorillas, the fact is that gorilla tool use has been recognized in the wild since at least the 1950s. See Beck, B. 1980. Animal Tool Behavior. Garland Publishing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.197.18 ( talk • contribs) 10:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this image would be better for the textbox since the gorilla is facing the camera and we get a front view. A side view image would be better for a four legged ungulate. Bobisbob 03:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
UtherSRG, reverting my change for the second time, this time thankfully with an actual reason: "If you are going to edit a cited text, polese provide another citation that supports your edit. Read Groves to see that my revert more closely reflects what Groves wrote."
I checked the Groves citation the first time. I based the improved text on it! I just checked it again. It says the following:
Were they really gorillas? Or chimpanzees? Or baboons? or even Neanderthalers? What language was this word 'gorillas' and who were these interpreters? ... There seems little hope of ever establishing what those so mercilessly slaughtered "gorillas" actually were, or where they lived."
That matches my reading of other analyses of the Periplus of Hanno. The text that was there before and to which you reverted once again is factually incorrect: the Periplus makes no mention whatsoever about a debate amongst the men of Hanno's voyage. Neither does the Groves citation. Perhaps this is a misinterpretation of the questions posited by Groves as questions asked by Hanno the navigator's men.
You can read the actual original source yourself: http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Hanno.html
I'll quote the relevant part. That's everything that's in the Periplus on the topic of Gorillae. The Periplus is short, you can read it in a few minutes:
On the third day after our departure thence, having sailed by those streams of fire, we arrived at a bay called the Southern Horn[11]; at the bottom of which lay an island like the former, having a lake, and in this lake another island, full of savage people, the greater part of whom were women, whose bodies were hairy, and whom our interpreters called Gorillae. Though we pursued the men we could not seize any of them; but all fled from us, escaping over the precipices, and defending themselves with stones. Three women were however taken; but they attacked their conductors with their teeth and hands, and could not be prevailed upon to accompany us. Having killed them, we flayed them, and brought their skins with us to Carthage.
I've gone back to my version, edit it a bit further, and added in a citation to the source text. If you still don't agree, please don't just revert again and spell out your reasons on this page. Martijn Faassen ( talk) 03:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
we need this for the article. many other animals have it.-- 68.45.82.237 ( talk) 05:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This page is pretty short for an article on a popualr animal. I think a lot of the information in the Mountin Gorilla article can be used to describe all gorillas and should be moved to this article. I also think there shld be less gaps and the opening paragraph should be a little longer. Bobisbob ( talk) 18:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I've discussed this with Bobisbob who posted the videos to the article. I think it would be better not to have the videos on the page, but that links to them as See Also might be appropriate. As well, all the gorilla videos depict a gorilla at an amusement park. Bob98133 ( talk) 18:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Gorillas are herbivores, not omnivores, do I have permission to edit that? The Winged Yoshi —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Winged Yoshi ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted one of the repeated "Ability to swim" links to "Apes" at the last See Also section. The person whosoever finds a fault in the deletion kindly correct me and the page. Thanks. :-)-- Ankithreya ( talk) 08:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for my recent edit, which I have now reverted. My browser keeps getting stuck. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 12:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
People are contending that Gorillas are herbivores!! I am no expert, but I have seen a primate (either gorilla or chimpanzee, I am not sure now) hunting in groups on TV (a program on National Geographic Channel). There was a huge group of these primates (more than 100, it was said to be biggest group) which attacked another smaller group of the same species very violently. Then they killed a young one of the smaller group and ate it. Who says Gorillas are herbivore? 198.62.10.11 ( talk) 11:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Gorillas do eat insects intentionally [1] -- Ns1180 ( talk) 01:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
JasonAQuest, you write Before explorer Paul du Chaillu brought specimens to Europe in the 1861, gorillas were known outside of Africa only from legends and second-hand accounts and make a citation. While the citation shows that Paul du Chaillu brought specimens to Europe, it doesn't confirm that gorillas were only known from legends and second-hand accounts. In fact your reference has (as well as the article) has them (at least the skull) described by Savage. I've moved the citation bit around and added in a citation needed for the statement that theyh were known by legends and second-hand accounts (I'd like to see something more than the Carthaginian "account"). Martijn Faassen ( talk) 00:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Of all things shoudnt they have rated this? If they dont take any sort of action soon I may just read the criteria and attempt to classify it myself. Please somebody, explain why this has not been rated. Yojimbo501 ( talk) 23:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Its not that I dislike it its just that I thought they would have rated it. Yojimbo501 ( talk) 19:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyways I dont know how to rate it so if someone else could that would be nice. Yojimbo501 ( talk) 19:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I bolded the offending sentence in the copy of the paragraph below. Just thought I should tell you about it, since the page is protected. 141.133.154.27 ( talk) 02:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
If challenged by a younger or even by an outsider male, a silverback will scream, beat his chest, break branches, bare his teeth, then charge forward. Sometimes a younger male in the group can take over leadership from an old male. If the leader is killed by disease, accident, fighting or poachers, the group will split up, as the animals disperse to look for a new protective male. Very occasionally, a group might be taken over in its entirety by another male. There is a strong risk that the new male may kill the infants of the dead silverback.silverbacks are know to have the biggest weiners of all gorillas and put it in the lady
btw, A quick look through the history tells me that the ip 76.181.158.218 added the sentence before the article was protected. If any admins want to ban the ip or whatever would be appropriate here, feel free. 141.133.154.27 ( talk) 02:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok I rated it B class. It had appropriate citations and facts and is pretty well organized, though there are some citation needed spots. Anyways I Thought it was higher than start class, so I am wondering if someone else could review it or maybe try to get it nominated for GA status? Yojimbo501 ( talk) 13:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
This junk was placed in the article, please remove it (it's in the Studies section). I can't since I don't have an account. 156.34.237.125 ( talk) 21:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- UtherSRG (talk) 21:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I added this since it destroyed the dead gorilla's record of 54: ====Oldest gorilla==== Jenny, the world's oldest gorilla in captivity celebrated 55th birthday at the Dallas Zoo. Todd Bowsher, curator of the zoo's Wilds of Africa exhibit calls the birthday "a special milestone." The International Species Information System stated that Jenny is the oldest gorilla in its database. Kristen Lukas, curator of conservation and science, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, Ohio stated that "gorillas in the wild normally would live to age 30 or 35; Of the roughly 360 gorillas in North American zoos, only 4 are over the age of 50. All of them are female." .tv3.co.nz, World's oldest gorilla celebrates 55th birthday gmanews.tv/story, Gorilla celebrates 55th birthday with frozen cake -- Florentino floro ( talk) 09:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
They are not. They eat insects, and not by the by as humans do when they eat salads in Tunisia, they use sticks to get them out of holes. They eat grubs snails and lizards. There is even a picture on the page of a Gorilla using a stick to fish.
Up to 5% of their diet is meat, they are not herbivores this is simply an error and the "sources" do not say it.
This is claptrap and completely unscientific —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonobonobo ( talk • contribs) 01:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Could someone please explain this revert? When and by whom were gorillas considered to be three species? Until about 2000 it was one species (Gorilla gorilla) with three main subspecies (Western lowland, G. g. gorilla; eastern lowland, G. g. graueri; mountain, G. g. beringei). [2] Where does the notion of three species come from?
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There's a map in the infobox "Species" section, but the legend just has names and no colors to explain those used on the map. Easy to guess which is which, but it should be fixed. WHPratt ( talk) 16:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
There should be a section on what kind of animals, if any, prey on gorillas. 63.26.213.175 ( talk) 06:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)eric
Just reading the article from the point of view of someone who is interested in learning something about gorillas - early on i read "Adult females are often half the size of a silverback" - yet no explanation of what a silverback actually is. 83.67.5.220 ( talk) 23:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
This seems mostly POV and accepting scientific theory as science fact. Calling a beast a "relative" of humans, implies that we come from the same source. There is no evidence, and it is only guesses and hypotheses. Why isn't there anything saying this is theory or a section for criticism? MPA 22:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA ( talk • contribs)
Amen to that LOL 69.226.111.50 ( talk) 02:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
The article states that gorillas are the largest living primates with adult males having heights of 165-175 cm (5 ft 5 in – 5 ft 9 in), and in weight from 140–204.5 kg. Since humans are usually taller and can weight a lot more, why are gorillas classified as the biggest, and not humans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.149.101 ( talk) 14:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Gorilla's are known to be the closest animal to a human. In fact, there is a gorilla that knows 500 words in sign language and enjoys reaing magazines! Can you imagine talking to a gorilla in sign language?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.57.236.49 ( talk) 21:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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The article states that "The DNA of gorillas is 98%–99% identical to that of a human,[2]
A common evolutionary argument gets reevaluated—by evolutionists themselves. Greater than 98% Chimp/human DNA similarity? Not any more.
Even the National Academy of Sciences says that that sentence is flawed. Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and human DNA sequences is 5%, counting indels
I recommend that this sentence be changed from "The DNA of gorillas is 98%–99% identical to that of a human,[2] and they are the next closest living relatives to humans after the two chimpanzee species."
to "Gorillas are the next closest living relatives to humans after the two chimpanzee species."
Thegorillaman ( talk) 12:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Beloved Freak 16:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
This needs many more citations. I've detailed a few specific problems that I see below.
There are a couple of dead links marked in the references section
Economist; 8/16/2008, Vol. 388 Issue 8593, p78-79, 2p, 1
There are more sources I can provide if there is any trouble accessing this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan616 ( talk • contribs) 09:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
"can think about the past and future.[52] " This reference makes a totally unfounded assertion. The source cited is not scholarly, and although it does quote some organizations later in the article, the claim that gorillas can think about past and future is in no way supported. Sad, too, because I wanted to use this for school. It would be cool if there were some actual evidence that this is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.52.239.73 ( talk) 04:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately this article does not meet the GA criteria at this time. Would recommend a peer review if you're looking for more feedback before another nomination.-- Beloved Freak 16:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, on examination of a gorilla skull, there is a visible sagittal crest, but a living gorilla's sagittal crest is all but invisible. The prominent structure is clearly a horizontal, not vertical ridge of bone, that rises up above and behind the cranium. What is this called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 ( talk) 21:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
What is the size of the skull? 18.55.1.64 ( talk) 21:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a reference to Jambo the friendly gorilla at the Jersey zoo. When a small boy fell into the gorilla enclosure and was knocked unconscious by the fall, Jambo came over to look at the boy, realised that something was wrong and prevented the other curious gorillas from causing further injuries.
After that he became world famous with people coming from all over the worls to see him. After he died pecefully the zoo had a bronze staue made which is on display at the zoo. The human perception of the the gorilla had been changed completely. AT Kunene ( talk) 07:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Food and Foraging, second sentence from end of first paragraph - change "on in average day" to "on an average day" -- 108.70.29.0 ( talk) 01:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Also in the food and Foraging section change "further" to "farther". Further refers to metaphorical distances while farther references actual distance.
"They travel even further than the other gorilla subspecies" should be "They travel even farther than the other gorilla subspecies".
Came here to find this fact, didn't find it. Interesting because of consequences of their group structure and size. 88.159.64.117 ( talk) 14:52, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The book referenced in this section does not ever state that night nests are made in trees. It says that nests may be in low trees, depending on the gorilla's size. This information is WRONG. Please change it. I don't really do HTML, so I get lost looking at the edit section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.35.1.66 ( talk) 07:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Given the later 2012 references to the genome mapping, is it not time for an edit and a newer ref at the revised point in the opening of the article ?
Ref #7 is also 2003 and the largely agreed view in 2012 post-genome mapping, I believe, is now revised.
G. Robert Shiplett 12:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
There is no section in the TOP right table for "Conservation Status" and we don't see any IUCN RED List Graphics, like we see in all other apes or animals. Also can't see any section CLEARLY saying how many Gorillas are left in the world. I just see a phrase LOST inside the "Evolution" section talking about mountain gorillas. But as we can all see in this article, it looks like there is not much effort to state this point CLEARLY. We all know there are not many and this species is Critically Endangered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.225.245.47 ( talk) 18:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Where do Gorillas rank in the animal kingdom for their intelligence ?
For example, are they more intelligent than other monkeys such as baboons and Giant Pandas ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.95.229 ( talk) 11:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Gorillas follow bonobos and chimpanzees as the closest relatives to humans in the animal kingdom. This article frequently refers to cooperative behavior that gorillas have exhibited— grooming, play, alarm calls, defense against predators. I find some of the altruistic measures of these gorillas to be highly commendable; for example, if a troop is attacked by a leopard, the silverback will battle it while the rest of the troop goes to safety. Males and females who have bonded but not mated will cooperate with each other, as seen in male defense of young ones (that are not his own) against infanticide. Related females are also very cooperative and social with each other. I would improve this article by discussing the reciprocity of these acts and what enforcement is taken against free riders. Marklxb ( talk) 20:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
By size of the genus (number of members) or by size of the primate (weight or length)?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.123.73 ( talk • contribs)
Can somebody add this source to the paragraph on evolution: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210212200.htm When I edited as an IP, I was used to not being able to edit certain articles (I'm assuming this one has some Creationsist debate swirling around it?). Now that I'm registered, when will I be considered "established?"-- Strangesad ( talk) 23:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
"streaches" not "stretches" in Physical Characteristics section
Can someone knowledgeable please expand the material about the practice of eating gorilla as bushmeat? How it is hunted, prepared, what it tastes like, etc? Holdek ( talk) 06:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
"...they are the next closest living relatives to humans after the chimpanzees (including bonobos)."
Are gorillas the next closest living relative to humans after the chimpanzees and bonobos? Or are gorillas the next closest living relatives (even when you include bonobos) except for the chimpanzee?
I'm guessing that bonobos happen to be of the chimpanzee family? Is that what this sentence is supposed to infer? Because I doubt the majority of people happen to know that...
Jmgariepy ( talk) 03:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Bua Noi is the subject of "a campaign on change.org aimed at rehousing the 28-year-old primate, who has been confined, alone, in a cage on the top floor of Pata department store since 1988." [1] -- Tuboogle ( talk) 12:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
"Adult males are 1.7 to 1.8 m (5.6 to 5.9 ft) tall" 1.7 is 66.9 inches 1.8 is 70.9 inches
The sentence needs to be changed to "Adult males are 1.7 to 1.8 m (5'6" to 5'10") tall" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.215.55 ( talk) 07:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Under the "Cultural references" section, "pulp fiction" needs to be capitalized, e.g.:
Since coming to the attention of western society in the 1860s,[58] gorillas have been a recurring element of many aspects of popular culture and media. For example, gorillas have featured prominently in monstrous fantasy films such as King Kong. Pulp fiction such as Tarzan and Conan the Barbarian has featured gorillas as physical opponents of the titular protagonists.
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This sentence in the section 'Laughter in Primates' :"self-awareness of one's situation, or the ability to identify with somebody else's predicament, are prerequisites for laughter, so animals are not really laughing in the same way that we do" makes it seem that no animal has the ability of self-awareness. Goodall and others have proven (to an extent) that chimpanzees have self awareness, and thus awareness of others. Arges86 16:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The laughter section in the gorilla article really has little to do with gorillas. It doesn't really belong. -- 68.72.109.117 01:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In the article "Looking at Ape Diets," it says that gorillas - including the mountain gorilla - are folivores, not omnivores. The article says that the fact that they eat insects, even deliberately eat insects, does not mean they aren't still considered folivores. 70.50.54.112 02:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you, they are not really omnivores. They are herbivores that eat insects. It should be changed, as it is misleading to the casual visitor. (Satwa)
Calling gorillas omnivores is splitting hairs to the point of being incorrect. The fact that they eat a few bugs does not really make them omnivores anymore than horses are omnivores because of all the insects they eat while they graze. The physiology argument is not relevant as calling something a frugivore, carnivore, folivore, etc refers to what they eat, not what they could eat. 66.90.144.92 ( talk) 05:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree with UTC and Satwa, they are strictly vegetarians, it is misleading the many guests of Wikipedia. However, I see that it might be acceptable to edit that while they are strictly herbivorous, their physiology allows them to eat plants and animals, as UtherSRG stated. The Winged Yoshi —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Winged Yoshi ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
It seems like this discussion has gone stale. Since Dec 21 (the last comment), no changes have been made here. I just visited this article and was surprised to see Gorillas being labeled omnivores. They are vegetarians, and herbivores or foliovores would be a much better description. All the arguments above stand. Let's see if we get any more input on this in the coming week, if not, then I will update the article with a note about the insect eating. Abhishekbh ( talk) 05:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The fact that they eat insects means they are definitely not "strictly vegetarian", what seems odd to me is that there is no mention of the fact that they eat their own dung. yes, it is disgusting, but it is a well established fact, and it is a major part of their diet. John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 03:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Would you believe Dian Fossey? Gorillas in the mist John Alan Elson★ WF6I A.P.O.I. 21:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Though the 2005 article did indeed imply tool use was newly discovered in gorillas, the fact is that gorilla tool use has been recognized in the wild since at least the 1950s. See Beck, B. 1980. Animal Tool Behavior. Garland Publishing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.197.18 ( talk • contribs) 10:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this image would be better for the textbox since the gorilla is facing the camera and we get a front view. A side view image would be better for a four legged ungulate. Bobisbob 03:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
UtherSRG, reverting my change for the second time, this time thankfully with an actual reason: "If you are going to edit a cited text, polese provide another citation that supports your edit. Read Groves to see that my revert more closely reflects what Groves wrote."
I checked the Groves citation the first time. I based the improved text on it! I just checked it again. It says the following:
Were they really gorillas? Or chimpanzees? Or baboons? or even Neanderthalers? What language was this word 'gorillas' and who were these interpreters? ... There seems little hope of ever establishing what those so mercilessly slaughtered "gorillas" actually were, or where they lived."
That matches my reading of other analyses of the Periplus of Hanno. The text that was there before and to which you reverted once again is factually incorrect: the Periplus makes no mention whatsoever about a debate amongst the men of Hanno's voyage. Neither does the Groves citation. Perhaps this is a misinterpretation of the questions posited by Groves as questions asked by Hanno the navigator's men.
You can read the actual original source yourself: http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Hanno.html
I'll quote the relevant part. That's everything that's in the Periplus on the topic of Gorillae. The Periplus is short, you can read it in a few minutes:
On the third day after our departure thence, having sailed by those streams of fire, we arrived at a bay called the Southern Horn[11]; at the bottom of which lay an island like the former, having a lake, and in this lake another island, full of savage people, the greater part of whom were women, whose bodies were hairy, and whom our interpreters called Gorillae. Though we pursued the men we could not seize any of them; but all fled from us, escaping over the precipices, and defending themselves with stones. Three women were however taken; but they attacked their conductors with their teeth and hands, and could not be prevailed upon to accompany us. Having killed them, we flayed them, and brought their skins with us to Carthage.
I've gone back to my version, edit it a bit further, and added in a citation to the source text. If you still don't agree, please don't just revert again and spell out your reasons on this page. Martijn Faassen ( talk) 03:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
we need this for the article. many other animals have it.-- 68.45.82.237 ( talk) 05:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This page is pretty short for an article on a popualr animal. I think a lot of the information in the Mountin Gorilla article can be used to describe all gorillas and should be moved to this article. I also think there shld be less gaps and the opening paragraph should be a little longer. Bobisbob ( talk) 18:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I've discussed this with Bobisbob who posted the videos to the article. I think it would be better not to have the videos on the page, but that links to them as See Also might be appropriate. As well, all the gorilla videos depict a gorilla at an amusement park. Bob98133 ( talk) 18:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Gorillas are herbivores, not omnivores, do I have permission to edit that? The Winged Yoshi —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Winged Yoshi ( talk • contribs) 21:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I have deleted one of the repeated "Ability to swim" links to "Apes" at the last See Also section. The person whosoever finds a fault in the deletion kindly correct me and the page. Thanks. :-)-- Ankithreya ( talk) 08:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for my recent edit, which I have now reverted. My browser keeps getting stuck. Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 12:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
People are contending that Gorillas are herbivores!! I am no expert, but I have seen a primate (either gorilla or chimpanzee, I am not sure now) hunting in groups on TV (a program on National Geographic Channel). There was a huge group of these primates (more than 100, it was said to be biggest group) which attacked another smaller group of the same species very violently. Then they killed a young one of the smaller group and ate it. Who says Gorillas are herbivore? 198.62.10.11 ( talk) 11:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Gorillas do eat insects intentionally [1] -- Ns1180 ( talk) 01:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
JasonAQuest, you write Before explorer Paul du Chaillu brought specimens to Europe in the 1861, gorillas were known outside of Africa only from legends and second-hand accounts and make a citation. While the citation shows that Paul du Chaillu brought specimens to Europe, it doesn't confirm that gorillas were only known from legends and second-hand accounts. In fact your reference has (as well as the article) has them (at least the skull) described by Savage. I've moved the citation bit around and added in a citation needed for the statement that theyh were known by legends and second-hand accounts (I'd like to see something more than the Carthaginian "account"). Martijn Faassen ( talk) 00:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Of all things shoudnt they have rated this? If they dont take any sort of action soon I may just read the criteria and attempt to classify it myself. Please somebody, explain why this has not been rated. Yojimbo501 ( talk) 23:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Its not that I dislike it its just that I thought they would have rated it. Yojimbo501 ( talk) 19:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Anyways I dont know how to rate it so if someone else could that would be nice. Yojimbo501 ( talk) 19:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I bolded the offending sentence in the copy of the paragraph below. Just thought I should tell you about it, since the page is protected. 141.133.154.27 ( talk) 02:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
If challenged by a younger or even by an outsider male, a silverback will scream, beat his chest, break branches, bare his teeth, then charge forward. Sometimes a younger male in the group can take over leadership from an old male. If the leader is killed by disease, accident, fighting or poachers, the group will split up, as the animals disperse to look for a new protective male. Very occasionally, a group might be taken over in its entirety by another male. There is a strong risk that the new male may kill the infants of the dead silverback.silverbacks are know to have the biggest weiners of all gorillas and put it in the lady
btw, A quick look through the history tells me that the ip 76.181.158.218 added the sentence before the article was protected. If any admins want to ban the ip or whatever would be appropriate here, feel free. 141.133.154.27 ( talk) 02:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok I rated it B class. It had appropriate citations and facts and is pretty well organized, though there are some citation needed spots. Anyways I Thought it was higher than start class, so I am wondering if someone else could review it or maybe try to get it nominated for GA status? Yojimbo501 ( talk) 13:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
This junk was placed in the article, please remove it (it's in the Studies section). I can't since I don't have an account. 156.34.237.125 ( talk) 21:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- UtherSRG (talk) 21:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I added this since it destroyed the dead gorilla's record of 54: ====Oldest gorilla==== Jenny, the world's oldest gorilla in captivity celebrated 55th birthday at the Dallas Zoo. Todd Bowsher, curator of the zoo's Wilds of Africa exhibit calls the birthday "a special milestone." The International Species Information System stated that Jenny is the oldest gorilla in its database. Kristen Lukas, curator of conservation and science, Cleveland Metroparks Zoo, Ohio stated that "gorillas in the wild normally would live to age 30 or 35; Of the roughly 360 gorillas in North American zoos, only 4 are over the age of 50. All of them are female." .tv3.co.nz, World's oldest gorilla celebrates 55th birthday gmanews.tv/story, Gorilla celebrates 55th birthday with frozen cake -- Florentino floro ( talk) 09:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
They are not. They eat insects, and not by the by as humans do when they eat salads in Tunisia, they use sticks to get them out of holes. They eat grubs snails and lizards. There is even a picture on the page of a Gorilla using a stick to fish.
Up to 5% of their diet is meat, they are not herbivores this is simply an error and the "sources" do not say it.
This is claptrap and completely unscientific —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonobonobo ( talk • contribs) 01:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Could someone please explain this revert? When and by whom were gorillas considered to be three species? Until about 2000 it was one species (Gorilla gorilla) with three main subspecies (Western lowland, G. g. gorilla; eastern lowland, G. g. graueri; mountain, G. g. beringei). [2] Where does the notion of three species come from?
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There's a map in the infobox "Species" section, but the legend just has names and no colors to explain those used on the map. Easy to guess which is which, but it should be fixed. WHPratt ( talk) 16:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
There should be a section on what kind of animals, if any, prey on gorillas. 63.26.213.175 ( talk) 06:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)eric
Just reading the article from the point of view of someone who is interested in learning something about gorillas - early on i read "Adult females are often half the size of a silverback" - yet no explanation of what a silverback actually is. 83.67.5.220 ( talk) 23:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
This seems mostly POV and accepting scientific theory as science fact. Calling a beast a "relative" of humans, implies that we come from the same source. There is no evidence, and it is only guesses and hypotheses. Why isn't there anything saying this is theory or a section for criticism? MPA 22:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MPA ( talk • contribs)
Amen to that LOL 69.226.111.50 ( talk) 02:20, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
The article states that gorillas are the largest living primates with adult males having heights of 165-175 cm (5 ft 5 in – 5 ft 9 in), and in weight from 140–204.5 kg. Since humans are usually taller and can weight a lot more, why are gorillas classified as the biggest, and not humans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.149.101 ( talk) 14:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Gorilla's are known to be the closest animal to a human. In fact, there is a gorilla that knows 500 words in sign language and enjoys reaing magazines! Can you imagine talking to a gorilla in sign language?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.57.236.49 ( talk) 21:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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The article states that "The DNA of gorillas is 98%–99% identical to that of a human,[2]
A common evolutionary argument gets reevaluated—by evolutionists themselves. Greater than 98% Chimp/human DNA similarity? Not any more.
Even the National Academy of Sciences says that that sentence is flawed. Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and human DNA sequences is 5%, counting indels
I recommend that this sentence be changed from "The DNA of gorillas is 98%–99% identical to that of a human,[2] and they are the next closest living relatives to humans after the two chimpanzee species."
to "Gorillas are the next closest living relatives to humans after the two chimpanzee species."
Thegorillaman ( talk) 12:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Beloved Freak 16:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
This needs many more citations. I've detailed a few specific problems that I see below.
There are a couple of dead links marked in the references section
Economist; 8/16/2008, Vol. 388 Issue 8593, p78-79, 2p, 1
There are more sources I can provide if there is any trouble accessing this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan616 ( talk • contribs) 09:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
"can think about the past and future.[52] " This reference makes a totally unfounded assertion. The source cited is not scholarly, and although it does quote some organizations later in the article, the claim that gorillas can think about past and future is in no way supported. Sad, too, because I wanted to use this for school. It would be cool if there were some actual evidence that this is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.52.239.73 ( talk) 04:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately this article does not meet the GA criteria at this time. Would recommend a peer review if you're looking for more feedback before another nomination.-- Beloved Freak 16:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, on examination of a gorilla skull, there is a visible sagittal crest, but a living gorilla's sagittal crest is all but invisible. The prominent structure is clearly a horizontal, not vertical ridge of bone, that rises up above and behind the cranium. What is this called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 ( talk) 21:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
What is the size of the skull? 18.55.1.64 ( talk) 21:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a reference to Jambo the friendly gorilla at the Jersey zoo. When a small boy fell into the gorilla enclosure and was knocked unconscious by the fall, Jambo came over to look at the boy, realised that something was wrong and prevented the other curious gorillas from causing further injuries.
After that he became world famous with people coming from all over the worls to see him. After he died pecefully the zoo had a bronze staue made which is on display at the zoo. The human perception of the the gorilla had been changed completely. AT Kunene ( talk) 07:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Food and Foraging, second sentence from end of first paragraph - change "on in average day" to "on an average day" -- 108.70.29.0 ( talk) 01:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Also in the food and Foraging section change "further" to "farther". Further refers to metaphorical distances while farther references actual distance.
"They travel even further than the other gorilla subspecies" should be "They travel even farther than the other gorilla subspecies".
Came here to find this fact, didn't find it. Interesting because of consequences of their group structure and size. 88.159.64.117 ( talk) 14:52, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
The book referenced in this section does not ever state that night nests are made in trees. It says that nests may be in low trees, depending on the gorilla's size. This information is WRONG. Please change it. I don't really do HTML, so I get lost looking at the edit section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.35.1.66 ( talk) 07:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Given the later 2012 references to the genome mapping, is it not time for an edit and a newer ref at the revised point in the opening of the article ?
Ref #7 is also 2003 and the largely agreed view in 2012 post-genome mapping, I believe, is now revised.
G. Robert Shiplett 12:37, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
There is no section in the TOP right table for "Conservation Status" and we don't see any IUCN RED List Graphics, like we see in all other apes or animals. Also can't see any section CLEARLY saying how many Gorillas are left in the world. I just see a phrase LOST inside the "Evolution" section talking about mountain gorillas. But as we can all see in this article, it looks like there is not much effort to state this point CLEARLY. We all know there are not many and this species is Critically Endangered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.225.245.47 ( talk) 18:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Where do Gorillas rank in the animal kingdom for their intelligence ?
For example, are they more intelligent than other monkeys such as baboons and Giant Pandas ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.95.229 ( talk) 11:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Gorillas follow bonobos and chimpanzees as the closest relatives to humans in the animal kingdom. This article frequently refers to cooperative behavior that gorillas have exhibited— grooming, play, alarm calls, defense against predators. I find some of the altruistic measures of these gorillas to be highly commendable; for example, if a troop is attacked by a leopard, the silverback will battle it while the rest of the troop goes to safety. Males and females who have bonded but not mated will cooperate with each other, as seen in male defense of young ones (that are not his own) against infanticide. Related females are also very cooperative and social with each other. I would improve this article by discussing the reciprocity of these acts and what enforcement is taken against free riders. Marklxb ( talk) 20:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
By size of the genus (number of members) or by size of the primate (weight or length)?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.123.73 ( talk • contribs)
Can somebody add this source to the paragraph on evolution: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210212200.htm When I edited as an IP, I was used to not being able to edit certain articles (I'm assuming this one has some Creationsist debate swirling around it?). Now that I'm registered, when will I be considered "established?"-- Strangesad ( talk) 23:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
"streaches" not "stretches" in Physical Characteristics section
Can someone knowledgeable please expand the material about the practice of eating gorilla as bushmeat? How it is hunted, prepared, what it tastes like, etc? Holdek ( talk) 06:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
"...they are the next closest living relatives to humans after the chimpanzees (including bonobos)."
Are gorillas the next closest living relative to humans after the chimpanzees and bonobos? Or are gorillas the next closest living relatives (even when you include bonobos) except for the chimpanzee?
I'm guessing that bonobos happen to be of the chimpanzee family? Is that what this sentence is supposed to infer? Because I doubt the majority of people happen to know that...
Jmgariepy ( talk) 03:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Bua Noi is the subject of "a campaign on change.org aimed at rehousing the 28-year-old primate, who has been confined, alone, in a cage on the top floor of Pata department store since 1988." [1] -- Tuboogle ( talk) 12:01, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
"Adult males are 1.7 to 1.8 m (5.6 to 5.9 ft) tall" 1.7 is 66.9 inches 1.8 is 70.9 inches
The sentence needs to be changed to "Adult males are 1.7 to 1.8 m (5'6" to 5'10") tall" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.215.55 ( talk) 07:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Under the "Cultural references" section, "pulp fiction" needs to be capitalized, e.g.:
Since coming to the attention of western society in the 1860s,[58] gorillas have been a recurring element of many aspects of popular culture and media. For example, gorillas have featured prominently in monstrous fantasy films such as King Kong. Pulp fiction such as Tarzan and Conan the Barbarian has featured gorillas as physical opponents of the titular protagonists.
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Change: Gorillas live in groups called troops.
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