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What's with that crap about the Lord's Prayer doing here? I'm cleaning that out.
If the Poland incident takes place in February 2004, how is the threatening in 2002 "Shortly after"? SAlpsu 00:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Because he was charged in 2004, but the incident (that he was charged for) occured in 2002. -- 222.154.184.175 01:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
You Guys hear about the time in Vatican City where they, like, Sacrificed Goats and got arrested? I saw it on VH1's Most Metal Moments. Animeguy99 17:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats the incident in poland. they did mention the pope in the segment on VH1 but it was not in vatican city. -alec —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.252.75 ( talk) 23:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I just saw the video of the making of their "Carving A Giant" music video which is a re-creation of their concert in Poland, and KING claimed the crucifixions and goat heads were fake. Anyway, the video is @ http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?vid=193203, and the the actual music video is @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iHf8mkEHYE. --Datalyss 23:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by John R. Sellers ( talk • contribs)
How is this relevant to the band? Sure this and a few odd links (Michael Jackson and the Catholic Encyclopedia) appear in their link listings but other than a humour factor I don't see why it should be included. Death666 14:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I fail to see in what notable way Gorgoroth reference Tolkien and his writings other than their name. Other artists in the extreme metal scene like Battlelore or Rivendell specifically cite Tolkien's works and base their songs on the Middle-earth universe. Gorgoroth, however, neither references Tolkien in their songs, which cling to the "classic" first wave of BM topics, nor in any interviews. The only linking element is their name, which, in my opinion, does not justify filing them under this category. This makes about as much sense as adding Shagrath of Dimmu Borgir just because he happened to have read LotR and to have taken the name of a minor character, albeit misspelled, as his pseudonym. To make a long rant short, I propose to remove Gorgoroth from the Middle-earth category because it's simply not justified. Vargher 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
CHSoarer 09:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Thats because the name of this article is called Gorgoroth (band). The other being Gorgoroth. Unfortunatly that article was made fist so got the proper name Youstolemyturtle 16:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I have talked to the band member Teloch and he does not know anything of Joey Jordison playing with Gorgoroth! Untill someone has got a better source than a band member Im taking his name out. 213.112.96.81 23:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Infernus is not a former member, yet. In fact he is the only founding member left in the band so theoretically it should be he who gets the rights to the 'Gorgoroth' name. Bathory 08:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I propose to merge A Sorcery Written in Blood into the parent article for Gorgoroth. WP:MUSIC indicates that "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs and promo-only records are in general not notable", and there is no stand-alone verification of notability for that one. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I have removed subsections from Gorgoroth#Controversy describing criminal convictions, per Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy. Please provide citations to reliable sources before including material such as this in an article. -- Stormie ( talk) 00:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, the band has fragmented into two seperate bands now, one being Gorgoroth, and the other being The Force Gorgoroth [1]. Does anyone mind if I put this in rather than the seemingly outdated information regarding the status of the band?-— arf! 06:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
no, gaahl & king arent calling themself the force gorgoroth, that's just the official website address when they switched from gorgoroth.org to theforcegorgoroth.org a while ago, but since then infernus has registered his own at gorgoroth.info... but either way, they're both still calling themselves gorgoroth. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 18:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
i know i said otherwise as the result of the most up to date information that was public but i think that since the regain statement they are actually calling themselves "The Force Gorgoroth". their most recent bulletin clearly states that "THE FORCE GORGOROTH – Gaahl and King – are moving on to a new horizon and you will hear much more from them in the near future.", refers to gorgoroth's most recent tour without infernus and having been of "the force gorgoroth". i think its pretty clear. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 18:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
this is weird: infernus' gorgoroth myspace account has disappeared and gaahl&king's gorgoroth has taken its place, and they are using the old website address of gorgoroth.org instead of theforcegorgoroth.org- well, i say we were naive to think that gaahl or king would give up without a fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.96.213 ( talk) 11:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
According to Infernus`s laywer, Erik Rødsand, if the two others want to form a band, they have to take a name, that is not to "confusingly alike to" Gorgoroth. To use the name Gorgoroth at all, would be against the established practise of norwegian trademark law. Thus leading to that names such as "The Force Gorgoroth" and the like would be illegal. The decicions of wether Infernus is entitled to economic compensasion is still to be decided. [1] The Trademark Law (LOV 1961-03-03 nr 04: Lov om varemerker.) is available at lovdata.no, and according to § 2. (§ 2. Uten registrering oppnås enerett til et varemerke ved at merket innarbeides.), a trademark is without registration entitled to whomever who has worked for it, and made it publicly known first. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.138.109 ( talk) 12:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
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Gaahl & King still own the name Gorgoroth. The way things are are that Gaahl & King have kicked Infernus out of the band, and the Norweigan patent office have said that they retain the rights to the name. It does not matter that Regain Records think otherwise and will continue their partnership with Infernus and not King and Gaahl because this is simply who they have chosen to continue working with as presumably they can't work with both now that both sides are at war. Infernus has dismissed the Patentstyret as being a bunch of beauracrats but they are the definitive authority over matters such as this. They have made their verdict and it is legal. The fact that Infernus has said he plans to appeal does not mean he has, and appealing against something is an altogether different matter to actually winning an appeal. Unless he wins his appeal, Gaahl and King remain the owners of the Gorgoroth name. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 23:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC) (sorry forgot to sign it)
i don't think we can say that all 3 are still members, i think that gaahl and king should carry on being listed as the members as the patentstyret's decision is more meaningful than the fact that regain records will carry on making albums with him, and it is a legal decision. if it is overturned by a court decision then thats a higher authority than the patentstyret. to be honest, i think there will never be a right answer to this: "we have kicked him out of the band so we therefore are gorgoroth" vs "sole founding member and chief ideologist"... on a side note, not too sure about infernus' new line-up of death metal musicians...
https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200710859&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=
Also, if you go here: https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Default.aspx
...and tick the box "Varemerke" (i.e. Trademark) and type "Gorgoroth" in the search field, you will see that King and Gaahl have also applied for a trademark on the name "The Force Gorgoroth":
https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200715621&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=
https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200715620&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=
Bulgakoff ( talk) 09:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
not to start asshole-y arguments cos thats entirely unbeneficial to progress but the king ov hell application is meaningless as at the time the copyright was owned by infernus, and they now already have the copyright to that image because the patentstyret have said that they retain the copyright to the name and logo. as for the trademark on the force gorgoroth... welll, i guess that they want a back up plan if they do lose the gorgoroth name. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 14:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
as i said they probably just want to be able to use the force gorgoroth in case they lose the rights to gorgoroth itself. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 14:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to bring up this topic because I am sceptical over the decision to list Gaahl and King as the members based on a statement that was issued in December 2007. Allow me to paste here an extract from a post I made on their forums:
So, if I can comprehend the legal situation correctly:
King and Anders Odden apply for trademark in September 2007
Egil Horstad (Infernus' lawyer) warns King and Gaahl that the application was in violation of Norwegian trademark law and threatens legal action in October 2007
In December 2007, a week after Regain publicly announce their decision to side with Infernus, a statement is released saying that the Norwegian Patent Office have gone in favour of Gaahl and King.
So, I'm under the impression that after having read Horstad's letter, King did succeed in getting the trademark for Gorgoroth, but:
'§ 2. The exclusive right to a trademark may also be acquired without registration when the trademark is established by use.'
'§ 14. 7 it is liable to be confused with a trademark which someone else has started to use before the applicant, and the applicant was aware of this use when he filed his application for registration;'
Along with other sections of the act referred to in the infernus myspace blog link in this article, click 'older' to see the letter.
Therefore, the application was considered an abrogation of the above conditions and hence illegal and so now it's going through the second office and the courts.
And if I'm correct, King and Gaahl released the statement to counter Regain's, and ensure that the masses (as exemplified by select users on youtube etc.) would ignore Infernus and flock to them.
To iterate, I am personally convinced that the article which prompted the listing of King and Gaahl as the current members really concerns itself with the possibility that the First Department of the Norwegian Patent Office gave their approval to King and Gaahl, not a court decision like King says. I believe that King is deceiving the public into thinking that a court case has closed the settlement for good in a bid to get them to ignore Infernus.
While I am aware that it has been argued that the Norwegian Patent Office has given authority to King and Gaahl, and hence they should be listed as the current members, one could also argue that due to the conditions from the Patenstyret Trademark Act I listed above, this was done in an illicit and illegal manner and hence this authority is dubious.
Therefore, I think the current revision of the Gorgoroth article is inappropriately biased and hence for the time being requires further revision in order to ensure NPOV.
Dark Prime ( talk) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Bardin, how the hell did you not ever hear of Gorgoroth? Lol. Thatz funny. Undeath ( talk) 15:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't this discussion be better at Talk:Gorgoroth? This page is good for drawing attention to article-specific discussions that could use further opinions, but not for actually having them. Having discussions here limits it more to WikiProject members rather than other editors who may be interested, and you can't really make article-specific edits based upon a consensus here. J Milburn ( talk) 17:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Infernus' former colleagues did not accept the offer that was made on March 4, 2008. His attorney will therefore, on March 14, 2008, appeal the Norwegian Patent Office's initial decision, and also commence legal proceedings in order to have the matter handled by the courts. If everything goes as planned the case could go before the courts in June this year. Infernus is considering not only taking the band name conflict before the courts, but also the matter of certain allegations and untruths propagated about him.
I found this. It should bring some help. Undeath ( talk) 07:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Please sign in. It's better than signing your name in (). I'm just stating, there are a good many sights that say that Gorgoroth belongs to Gaahl and King. Undeath ( talk) 19:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
This is the version I tried so hard the create and was banned MANY times for creating. —Preceding
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I deleted King from the member list on the new live CD. Regain Records details show that Infernus recorded Guitars AND Bass. Not Queen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.203.157 ( talk) 02:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't call him Queen, it just makes you look like an immature idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.150.25 ( talk) 10:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope. He's a Queen, so I shall call him that. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.50.200.26 ( talk) 05:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is becoming cluttered with its representations of both Gorgoroth fronts. Rather than having to specify which front is being mentioned, or using "(Gaahl-fronted version)" or "(Infernus-fronted version)," why not just create a separate page for Infernus' Gorgoroth, and just find appropriate titles for both bands' articles. It would make things a lot easier and less cluttered. Vixen Windstorm ( talk) 18:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I put http://www.myspace.com/160310525 instead of http://www.myspace.com/gorgorothinfernus9, because this is the one which appears in the Gorgoroth Infernus Website ( http://www.gorgoroth.info) and the owner of the gorgorothinfernus9 states that "THIS PAGE IS NOT RUN BY INFERNUS, NOR BY ANY OF HIS CLOSE AFFILIATES." Thanks.-- 190.84.102.27 ( talk) 17:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I think there should be something written about the image of Gorgoroth. Their extensive use of corpse paint, theatrical stage shows, and notoriety in Norway, etc.
Maybe about how they have a very common black metal looks with the paint, upside crosses and arm bands? I don't know. I just see the pictures and there's no text explaining why they look the way they do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.112.230 ( talk) 14:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The band split controversy section has to be rewritten, as the court has ruled that what Gaahl and King from October 2007 did was NOT Gorgoroth. The section must focus on Infernus' work, while Gaahl and King have to be accounted for elsewhere. Dark Prime ( talk) 12:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately in Norwegian only : [2]. I'm still amazed by the In addition, the Court found that Infernus, as founder of the band, in this case could not be excluded. Then Gaahl and King must are regarded as expelled (or having expelled themselves) of the band. The story is full of bands which fired founding members, so? Hervegirod ( talk) 22:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this is directly related to the Gorgoroth name dispute, because:
At the moment i think the line up history is taking up too much space. What do people think about turining it into a collapsable list? It would help to clear things up a bit at the bottom of the page and make it easier to read. Check my talk page for what a collapsable list of the line up history would look like (it might need a little editing) Pyro Stick ( talk) 08:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this compliation cd hasnt been added to Gorgoroth's discography? Just thought i would ask before adding it myself. Pyro Stick Haud Yer Wheesht! 22:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
So does the information of Pest or Tormentor's real names exist anywhere? I believe these need to be added to the article as well as their respective articles as well. • GunMetal Angel 19:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Hoest is still part of touring line up in 2013 Hammer Open Air tiipou ( talk) 06:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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What's with that crap about the Lord's Prayer doing here? I'm cleaning that out.
If the Poland incident takes place in February 2004, how is the threatening in 2002 "Shortly after"? SAlpsu 00:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Because he was charged in 2004, but the incident (that he was charged for) occured in 2002. -- 222.154.184.175 01:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
You Guys hear about the time in Vatican City where they, like, Sacrificed Goats and got arrested? I saw it on VH1's Most Metal Moments. Animeguy99 17:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thats the incident in poland. they did mention the pope in the segment on VH1 but it was not in vatican city. -alec —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.252.75 ( talk) 23:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I just saw the video of the making of their "Carving A Giant" music video which is a re-creation of their concert in Poland, and KING claimed the crucifixions and goat heads were fake. Anyway, the video is @ http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?vid=193203, and the the actual music video is @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iHf8mkEHYE. --Datalyss 23:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by John R. Sellers ( talk • contribs)
How is this relevant to the band? Sure this and a few odd links (Michael Jackson and the Catholic Encyclopedia) appear in their link listings but other than a humour factor I don't see why it should be included. Death666 14:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I fail to see in what notable way Gorgoroth reference Tolkien and his writings other than their name. Other artists in the extreme metal scene like Battlelore or Rivendell specifically cite Tolkien's works and base their songs on the Middle-earth universe. Gorgoroth, however, neither references Tolkien in their songs, which cling to the "classic" first wave of BM topics, nor in any interviews. The only linking element is their name, which, in my opinion, does not justify filing them under this category. This makes about as much sense as adding Shagrath of Dimmu Borgir just because he happened to have read LotR and to have taken the name of a minor character, albeit misspelled, as his pseudonym. To make a long rant short, I propose to remove Gorgoroth from the Middle-earth category because it's simply not justified. Vargher 15:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
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Thats because the name of this article is called Gorgoroth (band). The other being Gorgoroth. Unfortunatly that article was made fist so got the proper name Youstolemyturtle 16:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I have talked to the band member Teloch and he does not know anything of Joey Jordison playing with Gorgoroth! Untill someone has got a better source than a band member Im taking his name out. 213.112.96.81 23:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Infernus is not a former member, yet. In fact he is the only founding member left in the band so theoretically it should be he who gets the rights to the 'Gorgoroth' name. Bathory 08:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I propose to merge A Sorcery Written in Blood into the parent article for Gorgoroth. WP:MUSIC indicates that "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs and promo-only records are in general not notable", and there is no stand-alone verification of notability for that one. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I have removed subsections from Gorgoroth#Controversy describing criminal convictions, per Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy. Please provide citations to reliable sources before including material such as this in an article. -- Stormie ( talk) 00:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, the band has fragmented into two seperate bands now, one being Gorgoroth, and the other being The Force Gorgoroth [1]. Does anyone mind if I put this in rather than the seemingly outdated information regarding the status of the band?-— arf! 06:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
no, gaahl & king arent calling themself the force gorgoroth, that's just the official website address when they switched from gorgoroth.org to theforcegorgoroth.org a while ago, but since then infernus has registered his own at gorgoroth.info... but either way, they're both still calling themselves gorgoroth. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 18:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
i know i said otherwise as the result of the most up to date information that was public but i think that since the regain statement they are actually calling themselves "The Force Gorgoroth". their most recent bulletin clearly states that "THE FORCE GORGOROTH – Gaahl and King – are moving on to a new horizon and you will hear much more from them in the near future.", refers to gorgoroth's most recent tour without infernus and having been of "the force gorgoroth". i think its pretty clear. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 18:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
this is weird: infernus' gorgoroth myspace account has disappeared and gaahl&king's gorgoroth has taken its place, and they are using the old website address of gorgoroth.org instead of theforcegorgoroth.org- well, i say we were naive to think that gaahl or king would give up without a fight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.96.213 ( talk) 11:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
According to Infernus`s laywer, Erik Rødsand, if the two others want to form a band, they have to take a name, that is not to "confusingly alike to" Gorgoroth. To use the name Gorgoroth at all, would be against the established practise of norwegian trademark law. Thus leading to that names such as "The Force Gorgoroth" and the like would be illegal. The decicions of wether Infernus is entitled to economic compensasion is still to be decided. [1] The Trademark Law (LOV 1961-03-03 nr 04: Lov om varemerker.) is available at lovdata.no, and according to § 2. (§ 2. Uten registrering oppnås enerett til et varemerke ved at merket innarbeides.), a trademark is without registration entitled to whomever who has worked for it, and made it publicly known first. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.138.109 ( talk) 12:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
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Gaahl & King still own the name Gorgoroth. The way things are are that Gaahl & King have kicked Infernus out of the band, and the Norweigan patent office have said that they retain the rights to the name. It does not matter that Regain Records think otherwise and will continue their partnership with Infernus and not King and Gaahl because this is simply who they have chosen to continue working with as presumably they can't work with both now that both sides are at war. Infernus has dismissed the Patentstyret as being a bunch of beauracrats but they are the definitive authority over matters such as this. They have made their verdict and it is legal. The fact that Infernus has said he plans to appeal does not mean he has, and appealing against something is an altogether different matter to actually winning an appeal. Unless he wins his appeal, Gaahl and King remain the owners of the Gorgoroth name. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 23:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC) (sorry forgot to sign it)
i don't think we can say that all 3 are still members, i think that gaahl and king should carry on being listed as the members as the patentstyret's decision is more meaningful than the fact that regain records will carry on making albums with him, and it is a legal decision. if it is overturned by a court decision then thats a higher authority than the patentstyret. to be honest, i think there will never be a right answer to this: "we have kicked him out of the band so we therefore are gorgoroth" vs "sole founding member and chief ideologist"... on a side note, not too sure about infernus' new line-up of death metal musicians...
https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200710859&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=
Also, if you go here: https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Default.aspx
...and tick the box "Varemerke" (i.e. Trademark) and type "Gorgoroth" in the search field, you will see that King and Gaahl have also applied for a trademark on the name "The Force Gorgoroth":
https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200715621&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=
https://dbsearch.patentstyret.no/Vis_patent.aspx?idappl=200715620&domene=V&version=1&tyapplication=
Bulgakoff ( talk) 09:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
not to start asshole-y arguments cos thats entirely unbeneficial to progress but the king ov hell application is meaningless as at the time the copyright was owned by infernus, and they now already have the copyright to that image because the patentstyret have said that they retain the copyright to the name and logo. as for the trademark on the force gorgoroth... welll, i guess that they want a back up plan if they do lose the gorgoroth name. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 14:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
as i said they probably just want to be able to use the force gorgoroth in case they lose the rights to gorgoroth itself. -- Gpmuscillo ( talk) 14:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to bring up this topic because I am sceptical over the decision to list Gaahl and King as the members based on a statement that was issued in December 2007. Allow me to paste here an extract from a post I made on their forums:
So, if I can comprehend the legal situation correctly:
King and Anders Odden apply for trademark in September 2007
Egil Horstad (Infernus' lawyer) warns King and Gaahl that the application was in violation of Norwegian trademark law and threatens legal action in October 2007
In December 2007, a week after Regain publicly announce their decision to side with Infernus, a statement is released saying that the Norwegian Patent Office have gone in favour of Gaahl and King.
So, I'm under the impression that after having read Horstad's letter, King did succeed in getting the trademark for Gorgoroth, but:
'§ 2. The exclusive right to a trademark may also be acquired without registration when the trademark is established by use.'
'§ 14. 7 it is liable to be confused with a trademark which someone else has started to use before the applicant, and the applicant was aware of this use when he filed his application for registration;'
Along with other sections of the act referred to in the infernus myspace blog link in this article, click 'older' to see the letter.
Therefore, the application was considered an abrogation of the above conditions and hence illegal and so now it's going through the second office and the courts.
And if I'm correct, King and Gaahl released the statement to counter Regain's, and ensure that the masses (as exemplified by select users on youtube etc.) would ignore Infernus and flock to them.
To iterate, I am personally convinced that the article which prompted the listing of King and Gaahl as the current members really concerns itself with the possibility that the First Department of the Norwegian Patent Office gave their approval to King and Gaahl, not a court decision like King says. I believe that King is deceiving the public into thinking that a court case has closed the settlement for good in a bid to get them to ignore Infernus.
While I am aware that it has been argued that the Norwegian Patent Office has given authority to King and Gaahl, and hence they should be listed as the current members, one could also argue that due to the conditions from the Patenstyret Trademark Act I listed above, this was done in an illicit and illegal manner and hence this authority is dubious.
Therefore, I think the current revision of the Gorgoroth article is inappropriately biased and hence for the time being requires further revision in order to ensure NPOV.
Dark Prime ( talk) 20:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Bardin, how the hell did you not ever hear of Gorgoroth? Lol. Thatz funny. Undeath ( talk) 15:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't this discussion be better at Talk:Gorgoroth? This page is good for drawing attention to article-specific discussions that could use further opinions, but not for actually having them. Having discussions here limits it more to WikiProject members rather than other editors who may be interested, and you can't really make article-specific edits based upon a consensus here. J Milburn ( talk) 17:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Infernus' former colleagues did not accept the offer that was made on March 4, 2008. His attorney will therefore, on March 14, 2008, appeal the Norwegian Patent Office's initial decision, and also commence legal proceedings in order to have the matter handled by the courts. If everything goes as planned the case could go before the courts in June this year. Infernus is considering not only taking the band name conflict before the courts, but also the matter of certain allegations and untruths propagated about him.
I found this. It should bring some help. Undeath ( talk) 07:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Please sign in. It's better than signing your name in (). I'm just stating, there are a good many sights that say that Gorgoroth belongs to Gaahl and King. Undeath ( talk) 19:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
This is the version I tried so hard the create and was banned MANY times for creating. —Preceding
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I deleted King from the member list on the new live CD. Regain Records details show that Infernus recorded Guitars AND Bass. Not Queen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.203.157 ( talk) 02:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Don't call him Queen, it just makes you look like an immature idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.150.25 ( talk) 10:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope. He's a Queen, so I shall call him that. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.50.200.26 ( talk) 05:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is becoming cluttered with its representations of both Gorgoroth fronts. Rather than having to specify which front is being mentioned, or using "(Gaahl-fronted version)" or "(Infernus-fronted version)," why not just create a separate page for Infernus' Gorgoroth, and just find appropriate titles for both bands' articles. It would make things a lot easier and less cluttered. Vixen Windstorm ( talk) 18:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I put http://www.myspace.com/160310525 instead of http://www.myspace.com/gorgorothinfernus9, because this is the one which appears in the Gorgoroth Infernus Website ( http://www.gorgoroth.info) and the owner of the gorgorothinfernus9 states that "THIS PAGE IS NOT RUN BY INFERNUS, NOR BY ANY OF HIS CLOSE AFFILIATES." Thanks.-- 190.84.102.27 ( talk) 17:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I think there should be something written about the image of Gorgoroth. Their extensive use of corpse paint, theatrical stage shows, and notoriety in Norway, etc.
Maybe about how they have a very common black metal looks with the paint, upside crosses and arm bands? I don't know. I just see the pictures and there's no text explaining why they look the way they do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.112.230 ( talk) 14:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
The band split controversy section has to be rewritten, as the court has ruled that what Gaahl and King from October 2007 did was NOT Gorgoroth. The section must focus on Infernus' work, while Gaahl and King have to be accounted for elsewhere. Dark Prime ( talk) 12:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately in Norwegian only : [2]. I'm still amazed by the In addition, the Court found that Infernus, as founder of the band, in this case could not be excluded. Then Gaahl and King must are regarded as expelled (or having expelled themselves) of the band. The story is full of bands which fired founding members, so? Hervegirod ( talk) 22:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this is directly related to the Gorgoroth name dispute, because:
At the moment i think the line up history is taking up too much space. What do people think about turining it into a collapsable list? It would help to clear things up a bit at the bottom of the page and make it easier to read. Check my talk page for what a collapsable list of the line up history would look like (it might need a little editing) Pyro Stick ( talk) 08:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this compliation cd hasnt been added to Gorgoroth's discography? Just thought i would ask before adding it myself. Pyro Stick Haud Yer Wheesht! 22:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
So does the information of Pest or Tormentor's real names exist anywhere? I believe these need to be added to the article as well as their respective articles as well. • GunMetal Angel 19:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Hoest is still part of touring line up in 2013 Hammer Open Air tiipou ( talk) 06:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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