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Could someone tell me how old Irish and Greek are connected? AFAIK, Old Irish has no shared linguistic roots with Greek. Can anyone defend the claim (in the Origins paragraph) that these two have anything in common? Canutethegreat ( talk) 21:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thats what I was wondering, but it seems unlikely that old Gaelic Irish would have any relationship to Old Greek, regardless of the indo european group. If that is the case then could someone cite that? My goal is to either clarify it as a fact or if it is false get rid of it all together. It also seems like a stretch to compare terrible to wild. Can the person who made that edit confirm this as a fact? Canutethegreat ( talk) 22:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm reading about Perseus in mythology class. It wasn't the gorgons who had one one tooth and one eye, it was the Graiae. ZeWrestler Talk 04:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Perseus was given the reflective sheild by athena not the Graiae who actually tried to trick him into looking at Medusa. I'm also pretty sure it was Persus and also the Medusa and the Gorgon have the exact description on other websites and stuff why is this?? Ageus13 13:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)Ageus13
I agree with ZeWrestler. Gorgons and Graiae were different monsters (and probably, ancient peoples). IonnKorr 18:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
It is possible that Gorgons or Gorgones were the "monster-mutation", through Greek mythology, of Carians and Cretans (two pirate peoples who lived at coast of south-western Asia Minor and in island of Crete ). Both were the terror of sailors who have been travelled in Eastern Meditteranian, in second half of 2nd millennium B.C. IonnKorr 15:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Gorgon is also another name for the unrelated catoblepas, and the gorgons in modern fantasy works (like Dungeons & Dragons or various Might and Magic games) are based upon it, not on Medusa and her sisters. The question is whether this confusion was already present in classical mythology, or did not occur until the Middle Ages. Does anybody know more about this? - 82.207.213.123 18:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
What is the source on male gorgon? mordicai. 16:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
that bit was added from an IP address that has been warned and blocked for repeated vandalism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Gorgon&diff=next&oldid=50907851). though not blatant vandalism here, the contribution is still dubious and unsourced so I removed it. anyone with relevant sources please put it back and accept my apologies. Laurent paris 03:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The picture adds significantly to the article. it is of high resolution and it should remain. All interested users please leave your comments here. Thanks. Dr.K. 02:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
As far as this nonsense about poor contrast this is exactly as it appears in real life at the Corfu museum. If you visited the museum in person like I did you would know this exact contrast and lighting conditions prevail at the museum. It has nothing to do with poor photography skills. In fact an almost identical unfree picture that was used in the past looked exactly the same. Ask Carnildo about it. We had long conversations about unfree images together.
So sorry I did not take my film crew with me when I went to the museum, brought my studio lights and the cranes needed to perfectly illuminate the huge pediment and the exhibition hall. Maybe I should have brought David Copperfield with me to make it disappear from the Museum and then rematerialise it to the Wikimedia Foundation where you could take a technically perfect picture. Dr.K. 00:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I am being accused that I try to put the image of the Gorgon pediment to promote myself and out of ego. Nothing could be further from the truth. I simply replaced many unfree images with GFDL ones after long conversations with Jkelly and Carnildo and donated them to Wikipedia in order to assist the project. Here is just a sample of some of my correspondence with Jkelly about the donated pictures: User_talk:Tasoskessaris#Image:KerkyraDimarheio.jpg_listed_for_deletion. Dr.K. 20:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
For interested users please vote here to keep or not the Gorgon pediment picture from the Corfu Museum. See dicussion above. Dr.K. 19:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
A user has recently attempted to remove the whole origins section as in here. I am not a linguistics expert and I don't know if the information there is good, bad or indifferent. What I object to is removing whole sections without discussion. Especially if it has happened before; see here. Please share your thoughts on the complete removal of the Origins section from this article. Thank you. Dr.K. ( talk) 17:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but the discussion was in the edit comment:
The undue weight problem is a major violation of the WP:NPOV policy, a fundamental building block of this encyclopedia. The other claims were completely unsourced/ original research. These are pretty basic concerns that require immediate action. You are, of course, free to go out and find reliable sources for these claims, document them, and then provide additional views on origins of the mythological figure from reliable sources so that NPOV is restored, but until such time the section was in violation of Wikipedia safeguards.
Regarding the Flash Gordon page, that was removed per WP:NOT and WP:ENC, plus our style guides for articles on fictional topics. There's also specifically a template for pointing out when plot details exceed any reasonable size. If editors see something wrong they are supposed to be bold and fix it. It's just how things work here. DreamGuy ( talk) 20:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I would keep the Origins section, though it may need better documention or caveats added about the speculative nature of some of the claims. Perhaps some of it could be embedded in a major edit or rewrite by someone else? SOME discussion of the origins of the Gorgon(s) would seem germane to the subject. Winslow Shea ( talk) 00:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia has many tags to put on disputed sections and articles. The reason for the existence of these tags is to afford opportunity to users to modify, correct and clean up disputed sections. Even if a section gets ultimately removed at least it gets a fair chance to be improved before it is deemed unsalvageable and gets erased. Is it too much to ask that the Origins section be given some time tagged before it gets erased? Dr.K. 22:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Given the brevity of this section at present, this paragraph is too long, intrusive, too technical and off-topic. For readers who would like more info on Homer, a simple link to the "Homer" article should suffice. I would save only the last sentence of it (rewritten for coherence with the context). Winslow Shea ( talk) 00:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
In "Heros and Monsters of Greek Myth" by Evslin and Hoopes, there is a condensed story of Perseus. It said that the ultimate fate of Medusa's head was that Perseus threw it into the sea. As the head rolled around the bottom of the sea, it created coral. My copy of this book is packed away somewhere, so I can't use it to figure out where that account came from. Does anyone know a better source for this? Frotz ( talk) 08:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some mention that the name Gorgon is also sometimes used to refer to the fire-breathing Brone Bulls... even if only to say that this appelation is missused. And a reference to popular usage of Medusa as a common name for all Gorgons. 72.185.169.135 ( talk) 22:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Summary:
Origins:
-- Estragon ( talk) 15:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Gorgos is Greek for fast, not terrible. I won't change it on the page, because it will probably be changed back, but it is Greek for fast. (I didn't write it on the page the first time, just saying). -Lordloss210 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.247.84 ( talk) 14:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I recall a tv special(might have been history channels gods series featuring a profile on medusa, i can't recall), about gorgons and they claimed the origen of the iconography of bugged out eyes,tusked teeth,protruding tounge, and serpentine hair is a result of peoples experiences with seeing the face of a bloated corpse and is why the image is multi-cultural. for example the maya have simular images such as in the center of thier calender as well as other artifacts bearing the likeness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.6.31 ( talk) 21:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
This view came from the book “Medusa: Solving the Mystery of the Gorgon” By Stephen R Wilk, who was involved with the tv show mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.74.136.102 ( talk) 09:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Gorgon stare already redirects to Gorgon Stare, which is a military surveillance tool named after the stare of a Gorgon. I created Gorgon's stare and Gorgon's Stare to redirect here, updated Gorgon (disambiguation), and added relevant hatnotes to this article and Gorgon Stare. If there is a consensus to change some of these redirects or hatnotes, that's fine by me.
I found the term "Gorgon stare" and similar variations which referred to the stare of a Gorgon in more than one book in a "Google Book" search. I did not see a need to update this article as it already explains that looking at a Gorgon could turn you into stone, even if it does not use these exact phrases. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 15:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
The caption in the article for this picture ( /info/en/?search=File:Bague_de_Mochlos.png), and the in-line text says it "depicts a sea-goddess with a monstrous head in a boat." On inspection it does not. I don't have access to the reference, but here is another description: http://www.biroz.net/words/minoan-epiphany/review-part-five.htm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.145.175 ( talk) 08:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Two times the word 'Sanskrit was written. Please correct it. Wikipedia pages should be error fee. Good Videos ( talk) 07:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
In the section "Depictions" first lane: "Gorgons were a popular image in Greek mythology, appearing in the earliest of written records of Ancient Greek religious beliefs such as those of Homer, which may date to as early as 1194–1184 BC.", but in the article regarding Homer: "It is thought that the poems were composed at some point around the late eighth or early seventh century BC", whereas the latter is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.170.118 ( talk) 07:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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Could someone tell me how old Irish and Greek are connected? AFAIK, Old Irish has no shared linguistic roots with Greek. Can anyone defend the claim (in the Origins paragraph) that these two have anything in common? Canutethegreat ( talk) 21:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thats what I was wondering, but it seems unlikely that old Gaelic Irish would have any relationship to Old Greek, regardless of the indo european group. If that is the case then could someone cite that? My goal is to either clarify it as a fact or if it is false get rid of it all together. It also seems like a stretch to compare terrible to wild. Can the person who made that edit confirm this as a fact? Canutethegreat ( talk) 22:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm reading about Perseus in mythology class. It wasn't the gorgons who had one one tooth and one eye, it was the Graiae. ZeWrestler Talk 04:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Perseus was given the reflective sheild by athena not the Graiae who actually tried to trick him into looking at Medusa. I'm also pretty sure it was Persus and also the Medusa and the Gorgon have the exact description on other websites and stuff why is this?? Ageus13 13:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)Ageus13
I agree with ZeWrestler. Gorgons and Graiae were different monsters (and probably, ancient peoples). IonnKorr 18:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
It is possible that Gorgons or Gorgones were the "monster-mutation", through Greek mythology, of Carians and Cretans (two pirate peoples who lived at coast of south-western Asia Minor and in island of Crete ). Both were the terror of sailors who have been travelled in Eastern Meditteranian, in second half of 2nd millennium B.C. IonnKorr 15:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Gorgon is also another name for the unrelated catoblepas, and the gorgons in modern fantasy works (like Dungeons & Dragons or various Might and Magic games) are based upon it, not on Medusa and her sisters. The question is whether this confusion was already present in classical mythology, or did not occur until the Middle Ages. Does anybody know more about this? - 82.207.213.123 18:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
What is the source on male gorgon? mordicai. 16:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
that bit was added from an IP address that has been warned and blocked for repeated vandalism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Gorgon&diff=next&oldid=50907851). though not blatant vandalism here, the contribution is still dubious and unsourced so I removed it. anyone with relevant sources please put it back and accept my apologies. Laurent paris 03:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
The picture adds significantly to the article. it is of high resolution and it should remain. All interested users please leave your comments here. Thanks. Dr.K. 02:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
As far as this nonsense about poor contrast this is exactly as it appears in real life at the Corfu museum. If you visited the museum in person like I did you would know this exact contrast and lighting conditions prevail at the museum. It has nothing to do with poor photography skills. In fact an almost identical unfree picture that was used in the past looked exactly the same. Ask Carnildo about it. We had long conversations about unfree images together.
So sorry I did not take my film crew with me when I went to the museum, brought my studio lights and the cranes needed to perfectly illuminate the huge pediment and the exhibition hall. Maybe I should have brought David Copperfield with me to make it disappear from the Museum and then rematerialise it to the Wikimedia Foundation where you could take a technically perfect picture. Dr.K. 00:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I am being accused that I try to put the image of the Gorgon pediment to promote myself and out of ego. Nothing could be further from the truth. I simply replaced many unfree images with GFDL ones after long conversations with Jkelly and Carnildo and donated them to Wikipedia in order to assist the project. Here is just a sample of some of my correspondence with Jkelly about the donated pictures: User_talk:Tasoskessaris#Image:KerkyraDimarheio.jpg_listed_for_deletion. Dr.K. 20:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
For interested users please vote here to keep or not the Gorgon pediment picture from the Corfu Museum. See dicussion above. Dr.K. 19:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
A user has recently attempted to remove the whole origins section as in here. I am not a linguistics expert and I don't know if the information there is good, bad or indifferent. What I object to is removing whole sections without discussion. Especially if it has happened before; see here. Please share your thoughts on the complete removal of the Origins section from this article. Thank you. Dr.K. ( talk) 17:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but the discussion was in the edit comment:
The undue weight problem is a major violation of the WP:NPOV policy, a fundamental building block of this encyclopedia. The other claims were completely unsourced/ original research. These are pretty basic concerns that require immediate action. You are, of course, free to go out and find reliable sources for these claims, document them, and then provide additional views on origins of the mythological figure from reliable sources so that NPOV is restored, but until such time the section was in violation of Wikipedia safeguards.
Regarding the Flash Gordon page, that was removed per WP:NOT and WP:ENC, plus our style guides for articles on fictional topics. There's also specifically a template for pointing out when plot details exceed any reasonable size. If editors see something wrong they are supposed to be bold and fix it. It's just how things work here. DreamGuy ( talk) 20:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I would keep the Origins section, though it may need better documention or caveats added about the speculative nature of some of the claims. Perhaps some of it could be embedded in a major edit or rewrite by someone else? SOME discussion of the origins of the Gorgon(s) would seem germane to the subject. Winslow Shea ( talk) 00:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia has many tags to put on disputed sections and articles. The reason for the existence of these tags is to afford opportunity to users to modify, correct and clean up disputed sections. Even if a section gets ultimately removed at least it gets a fair chance to be improved before it is deemed unsalvageable and gets erased. Is it too much to ask that the Origins section be given some time tagged before it gets erased? Dr.K. 22:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Given the brevity of this section at present, this paragraph is too long, intrusive, too technical and off-topic. For readers who would like more info on Homer, a simple link to the "Homer" article should suffice. I would save only the last sentence of it (rewritten for coherence with the context). Winslow Shea ( talk) 00:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
In "Heros and Monsters of Greek Myth" by Evslin and Hoopes, there is a condensed story of Perseus. It said that the ultimate fate of Medusa's head was that Perseus threw it into the sea. As the head rolled around the bottom of the sea, it created coral. My copy of this book is packed away somewhere, so I can't use it to figure out where that account came from. Does anyone know a better source for this? Frotz ( talk) 08:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some mention that the name Gorgon is also sometimes used to refer to the fire-breathing Brone Bulls... even if only to say that this appelation is missused. And a reference to popular usage of Medusa as a common name for all Gorgons. 72.185.169.135 ( talk) 22:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Summary:
Origins:
-- Estragon ( talk) 15:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Gorgos is Greek for fast, not terrible. I won't change it on the page, because it will probably be changed back, but it is Greek for fast. (I didn't write it on the page the first time, just saying). -Lordloss210 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.247.84 ( talk) 14:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I recall a tv special(might have been history channels gods series featuring a profile on medusa, i can't recall), about gorgons and they claimed the origen of the iconography of bugged out eyes,tusked teeth,protruding tounge, and serpentine hair is a result of peoples experiences with seeing the face of a bloated corpse and is why the image is multi-cultural. for example the maya have simular images such as in the center of thier calender as well as other artifacts bearing the likeness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.6.31 ( talk) 21:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
This view came from the book “Medusa: Solving the Mystery of the Gorgon” By Stephen R Wilk, who was involved with the tv show mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.74.136.102 ( talk) 09:30, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Gorgon stare already redirects to Gorgon Stare, which is a military surveillance tool named after the stare of a Gorgon. I created Gorgon's stare and Gorgon's Stare to redirect here, updated Gorgon (disambiguation), and added relevant hatnotes to this article and Gorgon Stare. If there is a consensus to change some of these redirects or hatnotes, that's fine by me.
I found the term "Gorgon stare" and similar variations which referred to the stare of a Gorgon in more than one book in a "Google Book" search. I did not see a need to update this article as it already explains that looking at a Gorgon could turn you into stone, even if it does not use these exact phrases. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 15:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
The caption in the article for this picture ( /info/en/?search=File:Bague_de_Mochlos.png), and the in-line text says it "depicts a sea-goddess with a monstrous head in a boat." On inspection it does not. I don't have access to the reference, but here is another description: http://www.biroz.net/words/minoan-epiphany/review-part-five.htm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.145.175 ( talk) 08:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Two times the word 'Sanskrit was written. Please correct it. Wikipedia pages should be error fee. Good Videos ( talk) 07:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
In the section "Depictions" first lane: "Gorgons were a popular image in Greek mythology, appearing in the earliest of written records of Ancient Greek religious beliefs such as those of Homer, which may date to as early as 1194–1184 BC.", but in the article regarding Homer: "It is thought that the poems were composed at some point around the late eighth or early seventh century BC", whereas the latter is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.170.118 ( talk) 07:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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