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"Gorecore" and "Grindgore" are not real terms for goregrind. They are made up "pseudo-synonyms." And that death vocal article speaks nothing of "Gore growl." Stop adding this. -- Ryouga 01:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll let it slide for now, but please, if you can find a reference to the term in proper usage please do so. (This does not mean some stupid fan going OMG GRINDGORE RULZ and referencing to that. Please have good judgement.) -- Ryouga 01:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Sub-sub-sub-subgenre. This page is retarded. Why do metalheads insist on naming all these ridiculous microgenres? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.248.16 ( talk) 03:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
STOP ADDING CANNIBAL CORPSE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mezmerizer ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
It's a pretty damn nebulous genre anyway. Aren't gory lyrics its only defining criterion? And don't Cannibal Corpse have song names like "Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's Cunt"?
I edited the list. I've been listening to goregrind since the start and alot of bands listed just had gore subject matter in their lyrics. That is NOT goregrind. Goregrind is a subgenre of grindcore first and formost and death metal certainly has influence. It is NOT death metal with gore lyrics. Though alot of the bands whoever listed are often called goregrind, it's a miss-label and does not represent goregrind. As stated below goregrind is very simplictic, think Scum/FETO era Napalm Death with gore topics and pitch shifted vocals. Some bands listed (Carcass, Impetigo, ect) are not goregrind but had such great influence on the sound that it would be treason not to list them. Exhumed is NOT goregrind and never was. Leave these edits as they're by someone who's followed this genre their entire life. And I'm sorry GVOLTT but I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.
Can someone please revert the edits that removed some of the bands on this list that are goregrind? I know for a fact that most of these removed bands are goregrind. Well, at least Exhumed. Thanks if this revert can be done. --
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01:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Exhumed was goregrind at one point, but shifted to a deathgrind and then an American death metal sound with Scandinavian stylings in the riffs. Debatable whether it qualifies them to be listed here. -- Ryouga 01:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Exhumed, though certainly influenced by early Carcass and other goregrind bands, is actually Death Metal, or as they would call it 'Gore-Metal'. The main reason being, aside from the lack of Pitch Shifters, that heir riffs are seldom the slide riff staccato riff style they defines grindcore. It is obvious that Exhumed is heavily Thrash driven, filled with triplets and more complex musical arrangments to which spoils the simplicity that goregrind represents.
Exhumed has definitely been goregrind, and for the majority of their career, actually. They only started to play their heavily thrash-inspired gore metal at around...when Gore Metal was released. If anyone's heard their earlier stuff, it's nothing but goregrind. Carcass worship at its simplest. Excreting Innards, Goregasm, Cadaveric Splatter Platter, that's all total goregrind. They only started to pick up deathgrind influence with Horrific Expulsion Of Gore, and even then it was fairly minimal until the late 90's, and even then they were still much more heavily in goregrind. In The Name Of Gore had lots of deathgrind influence, but right after that Chords Of Chaos was ultra-brutal and simplistic goregrind, so they were always changing back to their roots. I think they should definitely be added, even if they're known more for their thrashy gore metal work (but then Carcass is here, and they're known more for their Heartwork and afterwards material). Durandal1717 ( talk) 22:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
somebody add mortician they are one of the pionores of goregrind (1987)
Goregrind? Are you guys serious? - Mandonine 02:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
What the are you talkign about ? pitch shifters, bands like Goregul, Torsofuck dont use a pitchshifters in their music. It is unwritten rule to be honest that you dont use pitch shifters in vocals...
I think Impetigo deserves attention as well, as they're considered the "gods of goregrind" by many in the community. Other bands, such as Repulsion (for their use of explicit gore-themed lyrics) and Dead Infection (one of the earlier bands in the genre) may deserve mention also, but I think Impetigo should be cited as an influential band right along Carcass, at the very least. 65.67.100.161 06:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it plausible to include "extreme electronics" or "power electronics" in the influences, possibly with the specification of "speedcore" or "noisecore"? Take into account bands such as The Berzerker which are considered "goregrind". Jotsko ( talk) 10:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Added a list and a couple of references... hope this is OK with everyone. The bands I added to the list were the ones I immediately had references for, so I hope there is no problem with any of the inclusions; I recommend we limit it to bands with such references. Just for the record, Carcass, Impetigo, Repulsion, Haemorrhage, Dead Infection, LDoH, TCME and General Surgery are all mentioned in the Terrorizer Goregrind article (#181), Regurgitate is name-checked by Dan Lilker in the liner-notes to Grind Your Mind as being goregrind, and Exhumed and Impaled are classified as such in the Purcell book. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 13:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Some of the bands from here [1] could be notable, but many of these names are too rude for wikipedia because it is not a soapbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syxxpackid420 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
So, Goregrind = Deathgrind? If so, then the article is not clear enough about that & it should be mentioned in the main Death metal article as well somewhere. By the way, wikipedia in general is not clear enough about a lot of things, grindcore, for example: is it a kind of extreme metal now? is it Hardcore Punk? is it a fusion genre? is it a kind of death metal? what about Gore/Deathgrind? has it been influenced by death metal or extreme metal (wikipedia's oppinion on that question seems to change a lot...)? and another thing: the article contradicts itself: is Death/Goregrind different from Grindcore because of it's death metal influences? because of the low vocals? or is it the same with different lyrics (wich would make the article superflous). 85.5.155.191 ( talk) 17:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Goregrind's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't like how bands like Repulsion, who use violent splatter horror, are compared to those like General Surgery, Lymphatic Phlegm, Carcass, who use medical rot imagery. Then there's Regurgitate, who writes scatological stuff. I think it should be clearer about the distinction(s) - violent scat and blood stuff is usually sharper and more aggressive, whereas medi-grind is more rounded... less aggressive and more intending to make full use of the frets. A.K.A. the Carcass clones LP, GS, TCME, Pathologist...
There's also the stuff that seems to mention sexual organs/fluids as well as scat. That is in no way related to Carcass. Then there's 'new goregrind' - bands that appear on the internet in loads and are pretty much brutal deathcore in the vein of Waking the Cadaver, with completely pitchshifted vocals and distorted guitars.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.132.185 ( talk) 06:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Before this page is merged with deathgrind, some sort of discussion should occur first. If you want to merge the page, add a merge tag ( Template:Merge to) and let's take it from there. Personally, I don't see why they should be merged, as while they are related, they are not one and the same (Aborted and Neuraxis are not the same as Haemorrhage and Regurgitate, for example). MrMoustacheMM ( talk) 01:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
( talk) 19:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Subgenres are stupid ¬_¬ • GunMetal Angel 20:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
In order to define and distinguish goregrind from other extreme metal genres and their sub genres, I thought it would be perfect to add that goregrind uses down tuned guitars and basses, played with heavy distortion. Vocals are shifted low, giving the sound of belching or vomiting. Drum patterns consist of blast beats and hardcore D-beat patterns. Album covers are taken from photos of accidents and crime scenes. Why did this get pulled down? RadiumMetal ( talk) 01:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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"Gorecore" and "Grindgore" are not real terms for goregrind. They are made up "pseudo-synonyms." And that death vocal article speaks nothing of "Gore growl." Stop adding this. -- Ryouga 01:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll let it slide for now, but please, if you can find a reference to the term in proper usage please do so. (This does not mean some stupid fan going OMG GRINDGORE RULZ and referencing to that. Please have good judgement.) -- Ryouga 01:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Sub-sub-sub-subgenre. This page is retarded. Why do metalheads insist on naming all these ridiculous microgenres? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.248.16 ( talk) 03:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
STOP ADDING CANNIBAL CORPSE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mezmerizer ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
It's a pretty damn nebulous genre anyway. Aren't gory lyrics its only defining criterion? And don't Cannibal Corpse have song names like "Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's Cunt"?
I edited the list. I've been listening to goregrind since the start and alot of bands listed just had gore subject matter in their lyrics. That is NOT goregrind. Goregrind is a subgenre of grindcore first and formost and death metal certainly has influence. It is NOT death metal with gore lyrics. Though alot of the bands whoever listed are often called goregrind, it's a miss-label and does not represent goregrind. As stated below goregrind is very simplictic, think Scum/FETO era Napalm Death with gore topics and pitch shifted vocals. Some bands listed (Carcass, Impetigo, ect) are not goregrind but had such great influence on the sound that it would be treason not to list them. Exhumed is NOT goregrind and never was. Leave these edits as they're by someone who's followed this genre their entire life. And I'm sorry GVOLTT but I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about.
Can someone please revert the edits that removed some of the bands on this list that are goregrind? I know for a fact that most of these removed bands are goregrind. Well, at least Exhumed. Thanks if this revert can be done. --
G VOLTT
01:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Exhumed was goregrind at one point, but shifted to a deathgrind and then an American death metal sound with Scandinavian stylings in the riffs. Debatable whether it qualifies them to be listed here. -- Ryouga 01:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Exhumed, though certainly influenced by early Carcass and other goregrind bands, is actually Death Metal, or as they would call it 'Gore-Metal'. The main reason being, aside from the lack of Pitch Shifters, that heir riffs are seldom the slide riff staccato riff style they defines grindcore. It is obvious that Exhumed is heavily Thrash driven, filled with triplets and more complex musical arrangments to which spoils the simplicity that goregrind represents.
Exhumed has definitely been goregrind, and for the majority of their career, actually. They only started to play their heavily thrash-inspired gore metal at around...when Gore Metal was released. If anyone's heard their earlier stuff, it's nothing but goregrind. Carcass worship at its simplest. Excreting Innards, Goregasm, Cadaveric Splatter Platter, that's all total goregrind. They only started to pick up deathgrind influence with Horrific Expulsion Of Gore, and even then it was fairly minimal until the late 90's, and even then they were still much more heavily in goregrind. In The Name Of Gore had lots of deathgrind influence, but right after that Chords Of Chaos was ultra-brutal and simplistic goregrind, so they were always changing back to their roots. I think they should definitely be added, even if they're known more for their thrashy gore metal work (but then Carcass is here, and they're known more for their Heartwork and afterwards material). Durandal1717 ( talk) 22:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
somebody add mortician they are one of the pionores of goregrind (1987)
Goregrind? Are you guys serious? - Mandonine 02:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
What the are you talkign about ? pitch shifters, bands like Goregul, Torsofuck dont use a pitchshifters in their music. It is unwritten rule to be honest that you dont use pitch shifters in vocals...
I think Impetigo deserves attention as well, as they're considered the "gods of goregrind" by many in the community. Other bands, such as Repulsion (for their use of explicit gore-themed lyrics) and Dead Infection (one of the earlier bands in the genre) may deserve mention also, but I think Impetigo should be cited as an influential band right along Carcass, at the very least. 65.67.100.161 06:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it plausible to include "extreme electronics" or "power electronics" in the influences, possibly with the specification of "speedcore" or "noisecore"? Take into account bands such as The Berzerker which are considered "goregrind". Jotsko ( talk) 10:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Added a list and a couple of references... hope this is OK with everyone. The bands I added to the list were the ones I immediately had references for, so I hope there is no problem with any of the inclusions; I recommend we limit it to bands with such references. Just for the record, Carcass, Impetigo, Repulsion, Haemorrhage, Dead Infection, LDoH, TCME and General Surgery are all mentioned in the Terrorizer Goregrind article (#181), Regurgitate is name-checked by Dan Lilker in the liner-notes to Grind Your Mind as being goregrind, and Exhumed and Impaled are classified as such in the Purcell book. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 13:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Some of the bands from here [1] could be notable, but many of these names are too rude for wikipedia because it is not a soapbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syxxpackid420 ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
So, Goregrind = Deathgrind? If so, then the article is not clear enough about that & it should be mentioned in the main Death metal article as well somewhere. By the way, wikipedia in general is not clear enough about a lot of things, grindcore, for example: is it a kind of extreme metal now? is it Hardcore Punk? is it a fusion genre? is it a kind of death metal? what about Gore/Deathgrind? has it been influenced by death metal or extreme metal (wikipedia's oppinion on that question seems to change a lot...)? and another thing: the article contradicts itself: is Death/Goregrind different from Grindcore because of it's death metal influences? because of the low vocals? or is it the same with different lyrics (wich would make the article superflous). 85.5.155.191 ( talk) 17:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Goregrind's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "terrorizer":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't like how bands like Repulsion, who use violent splatter horror, are compared to those like General Surgery, Lymphatic Phlegm, Carcass, who use medical rot imagery. Then there's Regurgitate, who writes scatological stuff. I think it should be clearer about the distinction(s) - violent scat and blood stuff is usually sharper and more aggressive, whereas medi-grind is more rounded... less aggressive and more intending to make full use of the frets. A.K.A. the Carcass clones LP, GS, TCME, Pathologist...
There's also the stuff that seems to mention sexual organs/fluids as well as scat. That is in no way related to Carcass. Then there's 'new goregrind' - bands that appear on the internet in loads and are pretty much brutal deathcore in the vein of Waking the Cadaver, with completely pitchshifted vocals and distorted guitars.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.132.185 ( talk) 06:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Before this page is merged with deathgrind, some sort of discussion should occur first. If you want to merge the page, add a merge tag ( Template:Merge to) and let's take it from there. Personally, I don't see why they should be merged, as while they are related, they are not one and the same (Aborted and Neuraxis are not the same as Haemorrhage and Regurgitate, for example). MrMoustacheMM ( talk) 01:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
( talk) 19:35, 30 January 2012 (UTC) Subgenres are stupid ¬_¬ • GunMetal Angel 20:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
In order to define and distinguish goregrind from other extreme metal genres and their sub genres, I thought it would be perfect to add that goregrind uses down tuned guitars and basses, played with heavy distortion. Vocals are shifted low, giving the sound of belching or vomiting. Drum patterns consist of blast beats and hardcore D-beat patterns. Album covers are taken from photos of accidents and crime scenes. Why did this get pulled down? RadiumMetal ( talk) 01:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
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