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Jun 05 23:15:11 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/acid - gopher client with page caching Jun 05 23:15:50 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/save_gopher_server Safe, secure and standalone portable gopher server with G6 extention Jun 05 23:34:04 <zcrayfish> What does the G6 do that gopher+ didn't do? Jun 05 23:34:39 <zcrayfish> Also are you a fan of THX1138? :) Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 1. requests for line ranges Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 2. CRC32 in requests to prevent sending files in cache Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 3. transfer size and error codes Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 5. user filling forms Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 6. realtime data streaming Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 7. TFTP support Jun 05 23:38:27 <nm0i> Looks like features. Features are bad. Jun 05 23:39:13 <zcrayfish> 5 is a gopher+ feature.... 7 is for uploads? Jun 05 23:39:20 <dsf777b> everething optional and backward compatable Jun 05 23:41:04 <dsf777b> upload files not yet supported Jun 05 23:41:30 <zcrayfish> I don't understand the purpose of TFTP support in that case. Jun 05 23:41:43 <dsf777b> also gopher+ dont have any user filling forms Jun 05 23:42:15 <dsf777b> TFTP for low end clients and high load servers Jun 05 23:47:52 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555 Jun 05 23:52:52 <zcrayfish> no cgi support.... but forms support? Jun 05 23:53:46 <dsf777b> it save all posts in configureted directory, a script can check the dir and perform some actions Jun 05 23:55:09 <dsf777b> have script to compile site for TFTP server Jun 05 23:55:41 <dsf777b> HTML to Gopher converter with links
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The subparagraph "By 1992, the standard method of locating someone's e-mail address was to find their organization's CCSO nameserver entry in Gopher, and query the nameserver" has no citation to back up this statement (the cited link is merely to a newsgroup article on the subject). "The standard method" implies that this was widespread across all email users, and that it would be used by most people on the internet. As a user in 1992 I certainly never came across it, and unless I'm mistaken no-one I ever spoke to used this mechanism, and although it may have been "standard method" within a restricted set of users (those organisations that were using gopher already, say) that would definitely require the text receive some qualification. gwinkless ( talk) 16:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Am I the only one who considers the S6 G6 additions to the gophertypes section to be unnotable? They're not in the RFC or the gopher+ or gopherII proposals.
As far as I can tell those additions are more or less reinventing many gopher+ features, and are only supported by one client (which is flagged as malware by Windows Defender) and one server... Neither of which are widely in use, and most references I see to them are from, to put it bluntly, spam on wikipedia and IRC.
zcrayfish (
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13:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
The following sources might be useful:
Anton.bersh ( talk) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello all, I have removed ACID, Gophie, and Lagrange from the list of web clients as they do not appear to be web clients at all. I think the article should have a native gopher client section in which these software would fit in. zcrayfish ( talk) 03:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello IP editor and Zcrayfish, you seem to be involved in a very slow edit war. I invite you to discuss your editorial opinions here. I see that IP editor for references provided only links to some GitLab project, which probably does not meet Wikipedia definition of reliable source. One reference actually just leads to a generic index page and not a specific documents which would support the statements. Since IP editor did not provide a sources, I agree with Zcrayfish until IP editor demonstrates good sources. Anton.bersh ( talk) 09:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Server | Developed by | Latest version | Release date | License | Written in | Notes |
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Aftershock | Rob Linwood | 1.0.1 | 22 April 2004 | MIT | Java | |
Apache::GopherHandler | Timm Murray | 0.1 | 26 March 2004 | GPLv2 or any later version | Perl | Apache 2 plugin to run Gopher-Server. |
Atua | Charles Childers | 2017.4 | 9 October 2017 | ISC | Forth | |
Bucktooth | Cameron Kaiser | 0.2.9 | 1 May 2011 | Floodgap Free Software License | Perl | |
Flask-Gopher | Michael Lazar | 2.2.1 | 11 April 2020 | GPLv3 | Python | |
geomyid | Quinn Evans | 0.0.1 | 10 August 2015 | 2-clause BSD | Common Lisp | |
geomyidae (gopher link) ( proxied link) | Christoph Lohmann | 0.34 | 13 March 2019 | MIT | C | |
GN | xripclaw | 2.25-20020226 | 26 February 2002 | GPL | C | |
GoFish | Sean MacLennan | 1.2 | 8 October 2010 | GPLv2 | C | |
Gopher Cannon dead link | Geoff Sevart | 1.07 | 8 July 2013 | Freeware | .NET 3.5 ( Win32/Win64) | Version 1.06 of 26 August 2010 is available from gopherspace.de (gopher link) ( proxied link) |
Gopher-Server | Timm Murray | 0.1.1 | 26 March 2004 | GPLv2 | Perl | |
Gophernicus | Kim Holviala and others | 3.1.1 | 3 January 2021 | 2-clause BSD | C | |
gophrier | Guillaume Duhamel | 0.2.3 | 29 March 2012 | GPLv2 | C | |
GOPHSERV dead link | ? | 0.5 | 30 December 2012 | GPLv3 | FreeBASIC | Version 0.4 is available from gopherspace.de (gopher link) ( proxied link) |
Goscher | Aaron W. Hsu | 8.0 | 20 June 2011 | ISC | Scheme | |
mgod | Mate Nagy | 1.1 | 29 January 2018 | GPLv3 | C | |
Motsognir | Mateusz Viste | 1.0.13 | 8 January 2021 | MIT | C | |
Pituophis | dotcomboom | 1.1 | 16 May 2020 | 2-clause BSD | Python | Python-based Gopher library with both server and client support |
PyGopherd | John Goerzen | 2.0.18.5 | 14 February 2017 | GPLv2 | Python | Also supports HTTP, WAP, and Gopher+ |
PyGS | Adam Gurno | 0.3.5 | 7 August 2001 | GPLv2 | Python | Development stopped as of 17 April 2003 |
Redis | Salvatore Sanfilippo | 6.2.4 | 1 June 2021 | 3-clause BSD | C | |
save_gopher_server | SSS8555 | 0.777 | 7 July 2020 | ? | Perl | with G6 extension and TFTP |
Spacecookie | Lukas Epple | 1.0.0.0 | 17 March 2021 | GPLv3 | Haskell | |
Xylophar | Nathaniel Leveck | 0.0.1 | 15 January 2020 | GPLv3 | FreeBASIC |
Most of those entries should be removed unless either (1) they have a standalone article like PyGopherd (or, possibly a dedicated section in an article about an enclosing project), or (2) a reliable source can be provided that indicates how the server meets general notability criteria. Wikipedia is not a catalog or directory. If there is a good external list of Gopher clients, a link to that could be included in the "External links" section. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please unwikilink John Goerzen as the article has been deleted. Thank you. 84.69.151.40 ( talk) 21:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
The two screenshots in "Gopher characteristics" are unreadable and no higher-res versions are available. They should be replaced or deleted. Thoughts? AmateurHistorian ( talk) 19:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Done I have replaced the two screenshots in the "Gopher characteristics" section with a single screenshot I found on wikimedia commons. File:Firefox_Gopher_Directory_Listing.png is an alternate image available there too.
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07:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I've removed the screenshot of Kristal as I feel it unfairly promotes that client over and above the others listed. Either they all get a screenshot, or none of them do (and I'm saying this as the author of Gopher Browser for Windows). I've left the Firefox one in, as that's a historic client before gopher fully fell out of fashion.
If we want a generic diagram of the structure of a gopher menu, I am happy to draw one for the 'Gopher Characteristics' section? Jaruzel 09:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the gophertypes `j' and `w' from the article as the way they were described do not match extant usage. I was unable to find any documentation whatsoever on type j. As for type w, since the early 90s in at least libwww-based gopher browsers and proxy servers, type w is used for for URLs, not for documents.
The non-canonical item types section is getting large and wishful; it would be nice if folks would cite their sources when adding to this section.
zcrayfish ( talk) 02:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, my name is Jorge Luiz Lopes da Silva Junior, my Codename is ChatoEuSou, I insert the Gopher prefix types, i be development in various languages, and create a engine of automaticaly cataloge all pages, subpages, and my engine write in Microsfot Visual Basic 4.o find news prefix gopher type, and i insert in default page of wikipedia about gopher protocol, i no create of nothing, i find, if need, i will go set to your the address here i find this prefix to your see the truth of i say about it, not is a cannonical prefix type of gopher, exactly in insered inf non-cannonical prefix types1 Congratulations! I writing programs in Microsoft visual Basic 3,4,5,6. Too in JABACO (JAva BAsic COmpiler). RealBasic today part of XoJo, RapidQ Basic Compiler, and Lazarus IDE for FreePascal, GAMBAS (Basic for Linux), and i be creating Server and Client Gopher in this development languages! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D41:B02B:6A00:8E9:C354:1691:8D46 ( talk) 11:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC) more information send mail to chateeusou@gmail.com, and sorry per my bad english! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D41:B02B:6A00:8E9:C354:1691:8D46 ( talk) 11:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
One of the references, "Hacking Capitalism" by Johan Söderberg links to the internet archive, where the book has been taken down: https://archive.org/details/hackingcapitalis00sder_520 Drewmca ( talk) 20:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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Jun 05 23:15:11 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/acid - gopher client with page caching Jun 05 23:15:50 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555/save_gopher_server Safe, secure and standalone portable gopher server with G6 extention Jun 05 23:34:04 <zcrayfish> What does the G6 do that gopher+ didn't do? Jun 05 23:34:39 <zcrayfish> Also are you a fan of THX1138? :) Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 1. requests for line ranges Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 2. CRC32 in requests to prevent sending files in cache Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 3. transfer size and error codes Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 5. user filling forms Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 6. realtime data streaming Jun 05 23:37:32 <dsf777b> 7. TFTP support Jun 05 23:38:27 <nm0i> Looks like features. Features are bad. Jun 05 23:39:13 <zcrayfish> 5 is a gopher+ feature.... 7 is for uploads? Jun 05 23:39:20 <dsf777b> everething optional and backward compatable Jun 05 23:41:04 <dsf777b> upload files not yet supported Jun 05 23:41:30 <zcrayfish> I don't understand the purpose of TFTP support in that case. Jun 05 23:41:43 <dsf777b> also gopher+ dont have any user filling forms Jun 05 23:42:15 <dsf777b> TFTP for low end clients and high load servers Jun 05 23:47:52 <dsf777b> https://gitlab.com/SSS8555 Jun 05 23:52:52 <zcrayfish> no cgi support.... but forms support? Jun 05 23:53:46 <dsf777b> it save all posts in configureted directory, a script can check the dir and perform some actions Jun 05 23:55:09 <dsf777b> have script to compile site for TFTP server Jun 05 23:55:41 <dsf777b> HTML to Gopher converter with links
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The subparagraph "By 1992, the standard method of locating someone's e-mail address was to find their organization's CCSO nameserver entry in Gopher, and query the nameserver" has no citation to back up this statement (the cited link is merely to a newsgroup article on the subject). "The standard method" implies that this was widespread across all email users, and that it would be used by most people on the internet. As a user in 1992 I certainly never came across it, and unless I'm mistaken no-one I ever spoke to used this mechanism, and although it may have been "standard method" within a restricted set of users (those organisations that were using gopher already, say) that would definitely require the text receive some qualification. gwinkless ( talk) 16:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Am I the only one who considers the S6 G6 additions to the gophertypes section to be unnotable? They're not in the RFC or the gopher+ or gopherII proposals.
As far as I can tell those additions are more or less reinventing many gopher+ features, and are only supported by one client (which is flagged as malware by Windows Defender) and one server... Neither of which are widely in use, and most references I see to them are from, to put it bluntly, spam on wikipedia and IRC.
zcrayfish (
talk)
13:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
The following sources might be useful:
Anton.bersh ( talk) 08:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello all, I have removed ACID, Gophie, and Lagrange from the list of web clients as they do not appear to be web clients at all. I think the article should have a native gopher client section in which these software would fit in. zcrayfish ( talk) 03:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello IP editor and Zcrayfish, you seem to be involved in a very slow edit war. I invite you to discuss your editorial opinions here. I see that IP editor for references provided only links to some GitLab project, which probably does not meet Wikipedia definition of reliable source. One reference actually just leads to a generic index page and not a specific documents which would support the statements. Since IP editor did not provide a sources, I agree with Zcrayfish until IP editor demonstrates good sources. Anton.bersh ( talk) 09:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Server | Developed by | Latest version | Release date | License | Written in | Notes |
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Aftershock | Rob Linwood | 1.0.1 | 22 April 2004 | MIT | Java | |
Apache::GopherHandler | Timm Murray | 0.1 | 26 March 2004 | GPLv2 or any later version | Perl | Apache 2 plugin to run Gopher-Server. |
Atua | Charles Childers | 2017.4 | 9 October 2017 | ISC | Forth | |
Bucktooth | Cameron Kaiser | 0.2.9 | 1 May 2011 | Floodgap Free Software License | Perl | |
Flask-Gopher | Michael Lazar | 2.2.1 | 11 April 2020 | GPLv3 | Python | |
geomyid | Quinn Evans | 0.0.1 | 10 August 2015 | 2-clause BSD | Common Lisp | |
geomyidae (gopher link) ( proxied link) | Christoph Lohmann | 0.34 | 13 March 2019 | MIT | C | |
GN | xripclaw | 2.25-20020226 | 26 February 2002 | GPL | C | |
GoFish | Sean MacLennan | 1.2 | 8 October 2010 | GPLv2 | C | |
Gopher Cannon dead link | Geoff Sevart | 1.07 | 8 July 2013 | Freeware | .NET 3.5 ( Win32/Win64) | Version 1.06 of 26 August 2010 is available from gopherspace.de (gopher link) ( proxied link) |
Gopher-Server | Timm Murray | 0.1.1 | 26 March 2004 | GPLv2 | Perl | |
Gophernicus | Kim Holviala and others | 3.1.1 | 3 January 2021 | 2-clause BSD | C | |
gophrier | Guillaume Duhamel | 0.2.3 | 29 March 2012 | GPLv2 | C | |
GOPHSERV dead link | ? | 0.5 | 30 December 2012 | GPLv3 | FreeBASIC | Version 0.4 is available from gopherspace.de (gopher link) ( proxied link) |
Goscher | Aaron W. Hsu | 8.0 | 20 June 2011 | ISC | Scheme | |
mgod | Mate Nagy | 1.1 | 29 January 2018 | GPLv3 | C | |
Motsognir | Mateusz Viste | 1.0.13 | 8 January 2021 | MIT | C | |
Pituophis | dotcomboom | 1.1 | 16 May 2020 | 2-clause BSD | Python | Python-based Gopher library with both server and client support |
PyGopherd | John Goerzen | 2.0.18.5 | 14 February 2017 | GPLv2 | Python | Also supports HTTP, WAP, and Gopher+ |
PyGS | Adam Gurno | 0.3.5 | 7 August 2001 | GPLv2 | Python | Development stopped as of 17 April 2003 |
Redis | Salvatore Sanfilippo | 6.2.4 | 1 June 2021 | 3-clause BSD | C | |
save_gopher_server | SSS8555 | 0.777 | 7 July 2020 | ? | Perl | with G6 extension and TFTP |
Spacecookie | Lukas Epple | 1.0.0.0 | 17 March 2021 | GPLv3 | Haskell | |
Xylophar | Nathaniel Leveck | 0.0.1 | 15 January 2020 | GPLv3 | FreeBASIC |
Most of those entries should be removed unless either (1) they have a standalone article like PyGopherd (or, possibly a dedicated section in an article about an enclosing project), or (2) a reliable source can be provided that indicates how the server meets general notability criteria. Wikipedia is not a catalog or directory. If there is a good external list of Gopher clients, a link to that could be included in the "External links" section. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please unwikilink John Goerzen as the article has been deleted. Thank you. 84.69.151.40 ( talk) 21:38, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
The two screenshots in "Gopher characteristics" are unreadable and no higher-res versions are available. They should be replaced or deleted. Thoughts? AmateurHistorian ( talk) 19:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Done I have replaced the two screenshots in the "Gopher characteristics" section with a single screenshot I found on wikimedia commons. File:Firefox_Gopher_Directory_Listing.png is an alternate image available there too.
zcrayfish (
talk)
07:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I've removed the screenshot of Kristal as I feel it unfairly promotes that client over and above the others listed. Either they all get a screenshot, or none of them do (and I'm saying this as the author of Gopher Browser for Windows). I've left the Firefox one in, as that's a historic client before gopher fully fell out of fashion.
If we want a generic diagram of the structure of a gopher menu, I am happy to draw one for the 'Gopher Characteristics' section? Jaruzel 09:04, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the gophertypes `j' and `w' from the article as the way they were described do not match extant usage. I was unable to find any documentation whatsoever on type j. As for type w, since the early 90s in at least libwww-based gopher browsers and proxy servers, type w is used for for URLs, not for documents.
The non-canonical item types section is getting large and wishful; it would be nice if folks would cite their sources when adding to this section.
zcrayfish ( talk) 02:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi, my name is Jorge Luiz Lopes da Silva Junior, my Codename is ChatoEuSou, I insert the Gopher prefix types, i be development in various languages, and create a engine of automaticaly cataloge all pages, subpages, and my engine write in Microsfot Visual Basic 4.o find news prefix gopher type, and i insert in default page of wikipedia about gopher protocol, i no create of nothing, i find, if need, i will go set to your the address here i find this prefix to your see the truth of i say about it, not is a cannonical prefix type of gopher, exactly in insered inf non-cannonical prefix types1 Congratulations! I writing programs in Microsoft visual Basic 3,4,5,6. Too in JABACO (JAva BAsic COmpiler). RealBasic today part of XoJo, RapidQ Basic Compiler, and Lazarus IDE for FreePascal, GAMBAS (Basic for Linux), and i be creating Server and Client Gopher in this development languages! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D41:B02B:6A00:8E9:C354:1691:8D46 ( talk) 11:58, 6 November 2022 (UTC) more information send mail to chateeusou@gmail.com, and sorry per my bad english! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:D41:B02B:6A00:8E9:C354:1691:8D46 ( talk) 11:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
One of the references, "Hacking Capitalism" by Johan Söderberg links to the internet archive, where the book has been taken down: https://archive.org/details/hackingcapitalis00sder_520 Drewmca ( talk) 20:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)