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Anyone else want to weight in on whether the page should be titled Good Omens (miniseries) or Good Omens (TV series). I lean to miniseries but the argument made by Woodensuperman about the term not being used in the UK was fairly convincing. However, the miniseries is a co-production between Amazon (an American company) and the BBC (a British company). Also, most pages for miniseries use the term instead of TV series though I'm not sure if there is a specific policy regarding this. Anyways, I'm curious to see what others think. I'd be fine either way. – BoogerD ( talk) 17:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Series is a miniseries, as sourced by ten separate sources. -- / Alex/ 21 04:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
special case of episodic television known as "miniseries"called for by WP:NCTV. It is a better fit to the definition of limited or event series, which are disambiguated by "(TV series)". This is exactly why there have been multiple calls for the deprecation of the unnecessary use of "(miniseries)" as a disambiguator (as we did with "(telenovela)"), when "(TV series)" is a good catch-all. -- wooden superman 08:36, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
-- / Alex/ 21 02:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Has it even been confirmed that there will be no further seasons and that these six episodes are all we'll ever likely see? I know like with Miracle Workers plenty of outlets called it a "Limited series or Miniseries" until TBS decided to renew for a second season and revealed it would be an anthology leaving it open for many more seasons with the same cast. The same happened with The Sinner too. These days networks & studios seem to keep their intentions as a closely guarded secret and spring random renewals for shows you'd never expect(though the ratings may say otherwise) to come back. Esuka ( talk) 13:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
There needs to be an established threshold for what is included in this list. NOT EVERY CHARACTER/ACTOR NEEDS TO BE ON THIS LIST!!! Right now, I am setting a non-objective baseline from just the end credits (whether a person was in each episode) and intro credits (the people deemed most important; varies each episode). From there, I will determine a range for "main", "recurring", and "guest" cast/characters. For now, if the character only appears in one episode and is not listed in the intro credits, DO NOT ADD THEM. Otherwise, PLEASE DO NOT ADD UNTIL I'VE SET THIS BASELINE!!! -- Afong10 ( talk) 03:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
So here is the non-objective criteria I set:
TOTALS:
All other NOTABLE people should be listed in the prose format below the lists. -- Afong10 ( talk) 22:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I've relocated Pollution up into main cast to fit with the rest of the Horsemen and as per order of appearance. Looking through here it seems there wasn't actually any consensus to use - or more importantly to adhere to - this weird points system and in fact there has been some quite vocal criticism of it. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 07:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The petition is notable, being covered by many reliable news sources and attracting reaction from the series writer and showrunner. It should certainly be included. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus . numerically this is about even, and the arguments on both sides are about the same strength in my reading. This has already been relisted twice, so it is unlikely a third relisting will generate a clearer consensus. TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Good Omens (TV series) → Good Omens (miniseries) – The series is reliable sourced as a miniseries, in no less than ten separate sources:
Good Omens: miniseries (2019)
Amazon's Good Omens miniseries Review
Neil Gaiman’s six-part Amazon miniseries about an odd couple at the end of the world is an acquired taste.
displays the best part of the six-episode miniseries based on the book of the same name
before watching the six-episode miniseries on Amazon Prime Video
that the miniseries would be headed up by David Tennant and Michael Sheen
is unique among the miniseries’ six, tightly-packed episodes
'Good Omens' Costume Designer Reveals How Keith Richards Influenced Amazon miniseries' Looks
about Amazon’s new “Good Omens” miniseries
the end of this solid miniseries adaptation of Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett’s novel
Arguments have been made that "miniseries" is not a term used in British English; this is not solely a British series, it is a British-American co-production, so it should accept terms used by American English, terminology that is listed and clearly supported by WP:NCTV. The use of "miniseries" in British English articles has clearly never been an issue, as shown by a list of no less than 76 articles that refer to British series and are disambiguated as miniseries: -- / Alex/ 21 03:32, 11 July 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 18:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
special case of episodic television known as "miniseries"called for by WP:NCTV. It does not even fit to our own definition of miniseries (which notes:
"to designate one-season shows that are not intended for being renewed for additional seasons, the broadcast and television industry came up with terms like "limited series" or "event series""). It is a better fit to our own definition of limited or event series, which are disambiguated by our own WP:NCTV as "(TV series)":
"Episodic,
serial, or limited series television shows are made of
episodes which may relate part of an unfolding story, feature recurring settings or characters, or express a unifying narrative theme. These shows are typically aired only part of the year, and are produced as a set or cycle of episodes usually called a "season" or a "series". When
disambiguation is required, use (TV series)
"
. This is exactly why there have been multiple calls for the deprecation of the unnecessary use of "(miniseries)" as a disambiguator (as we did with "(telenovela)"), when "(TV series)" is a good catch-all. Note the findings of
SoWhy in the
section above where he has found
33,000+ hits for "TV series" without "miniseries". --
wooden
superman 08:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
All of your sources are US ones, I believe. As an international encyclopaedia, have you looked at how this series is described in the rest of the world? MapReader ( talk) 05:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
The fans will be beside themselves. Good Omens, the six-part miniseries on Amazon’s Prime Video
is a six-part miniseries which has been very hotly anticipated.
Although each of the six episodes in the miniseries are focused
TV miniseries review: Good Omens (Amazon Prime, 2019), directed by Douglas Mackinnon
the 2019 miniseries adapted from the 1990 novel by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
With trailers out for the new TV miniseries
because the world needs more tightly-constructed, over-and-done miniseries
And the TV miniseries, a six-episode co-production
Television miniseries adaptation of Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's fantasy novel
will adapt Good Omens into a “comedic apocalyptic” miniseries
Both of you would do us all a favour if you would kindly step back for a while and wait for a broader range of views? MapReader ( talk) 12:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
So regarding the term limited series, is it really worth mentioning here that in almost every case a limited series has always been renewed on cable with great ratings or canceled and later coined as "one and done" by the TV media to avoid the obvious excuse that the ratings were awful? The term itself is quite clearly for PR purposes. This is why I find it quite odd that it should be used over miniseries on this article. Esuka ( talk) 21:36, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
As I don't see it (remaining) as a reference, but seeing that someone added in the latest info from another source a few days ago, just dropping the link https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dbdy here as probably the definitive current information for future showings (and, in the future future, a perpetual record of its original showing). Make of it whatever a regular wikeditor does, if you're one and feel like it. 62.31.138.5 ( talk) 14:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
If this is a British series (per the article itself), then why does the article use {{ Use mdy dates}}, and use American formats such as "season" instead of "series"? -- Alex_21 TALK 09:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The official Twitter account for Good Omens teased at the new episode titles [21]. Is this a sufficient source, or should we wait for a more standard one like a TV Guide? I don't know how it works usually. CheeseWater6 ( talk) 07:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
There are a large amount of characters in Series 1 who did not return for Series 2, and likewise many characters who first appeared in Series 2. Maybe it would be wise to separate the actors listing by first starring (Tennant and Sheen), then the characters who are relevant in both series (example: Archangels), then the characters who only appear in one season each. Right now the cast listing is extremely disorganized - for example, Adam Young is listed as "starring" although he only appears in Series 1, then the Archangels are listed in different spots of "starring recurring" and "recurring" for whatever reason... Jaguarnik ( talk) 01:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
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Anyone else want to weight in on whether the page should be titled Good Omens (miniseries) or Good Omens (TV series). I lean to miniseries but the argument made by Woodensuperman about the term not being used in the UK was fairly convincing. However, the miniseries is a co-production between Amazon (an American company) and the BBC (a British company). Also, most pages for miniseries use the term instead of TV series though I'm not sure if there is a specific policy regarding this. Anyways, I'm curious to see what others think. I'd be fine either way. – BoogerD ( talk) 17:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Series is a miniseries, as sourced by ten separate sources. -- / Alex/ 21 04:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
special case of episodic television known as "miniseries"called for by WP:NCTV. It is a better fit to the definition of limited or event series, which are disambiguated by "(TV series)". This is exactly why there have been multiple calls for the deprecation of the unnecessary use of "(miniseries)" as a disambiguator (as we did with "(telenovela)"), when "(TV series)" is a good catch-all. -- wooden superman 08:36, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
-- / Alex/ 21 02:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Has it even been confirmed that there will be no further seasons and that these six episodes are all we'll ever likely see? I know like with Miracle Workers plenty of outlets called it a "Limited series or Miniseries" until TBS decided to renew for a second season and revealed it would be an anthology leaving it open for many more seasons with the same cast. The same happened with The Sinner too. These days networks & studios seem to keep their intentions as a closely guarded secret and spring random renewals for shows you'd never expect(though the ratings may say otherwise) to come back. Esuka ( talk) 13:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
There needs to be an established threshold for what is included in this list. NOT EVERY CHARACTER/ACTOR NEEDS TO BE ON THIS LIST!!! Right now, I am setting a non-objective baseline from just the end credits (whether a person was in each episode) and intro credits (the people deemed most important; varies each episode). From there, I will determine a range for "main", "recurring", and "guest" cast/characters. For now, if the character only appears in one episode and is not listed in the intro credits, DO NOT ADD THEM. Otherwise, PLEASE DO NOT ADD UNTIL I'VE SET THIS BASELINE!!! -- Afong10 ( talk) 03:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
So here is the non-objective criteria I set:
TOTALS:
All other NOTABLE people should be listed in the prose format below the lists. -- Afong10 ( talk) 22:30, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I've relocated Pollution up into main cast to fit with the rest of the Horsemen and as per order of appearance. Looking through here it seems there wasn't actually any consensus to use - or more importantly to adhere to - this weird points system and in fact there has been some quite vocal criticism of it. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 07:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
The petition is notable, being covered by many reliable news sources and attracting reaction from the series writer and showrunner. It should certainly be included. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus . numerically this is about even, and the arguments on both sides are about the same strength in my reading. This has already been relisted twice, so it is unlikely a third relisting will generate a clearer consensus. TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Good Omens (TV series) → Good Omens (miniseries) – The series is reliable sourced as a miniseries, in no less than ten separate sources:
Good Omens: miniseries (2019)
Amazon's Good Omens miniseries Review
Neil Gaiman’s six-part Amazon miniseries about an odd couple at the end of the world is an acquired taste.
displays the best part of the six-episode miniseries based on the book of the same name
before watching the six-episode miniseries on Amazon Prime Video
that the miniseries would be headed up by David Tennant and Michael Sheen
is unique among the miniseries’ six, tightly-packed episodes
'Good Omens' Costume Designer Reveals How Keith Richards Influenced Amazon miniseries' Looks
about Amazon’s new “Good Omens” miniseries
the end of this solid miniseries adaptation of Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett’s novel
Arguments have been made that "miniseries" is not a term used in British English; this is not solely a British series, it is a British-American co-production, so it should accept terms used by American English, terminology that is listed and clearly supported by WP:NCTV. The use of "miniseries" in British English articles has clearly never been an issue, as shown by a list of no less than 76 articles that refer to British series and are disambiguated as miniseries: -- / Alex/ 21 03:32, 11 July 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 18:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
special case of episodic television known as "miniseries"called for by WP:NCTV. It does not even fit to our own definition of miniseries (which notes:
"to designate one-season shows that are not intended for being renewed for additional seasons, the broadcast and television industry came up with terms like "limited series" or "event series""). It is a better fit to our own definition of limited or event series, which are disambiguated by our own WP:NCTV as "(TV series)":
"Episodic,
serial, or limited series television shows are made of
episodes which may relate part of an unfolding story, feature recurring settings or characters, or express a unifying narrative theme. These shows are typically aired only part of the year, and are produced as a set or cycle of episodes usually called a "season" or a "series". When
disambiguation is required, use (TV series)
"
. This is exactly why there have been multiple calls for the deprecation of the unnecessary use of "(miniseries)" as a disambiguator (as we did with "(telenovela)"), when "(TV series)" is a good catch-all. Note the findings of
SoWhy in the
section above where he has found
33,000+ hits for "TV series" without "miniseries". --
wooden
superman 08:04, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
All of your sources are US ones, I believe. As an international encyclopaedia, have you looked at how this series is described in the rest of the world? MapReader ( talk) 05:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
The fans will be beside themselves. Good Omens, the six-part miniseries on Amazon’s Prime Video
is a six-part miniseries which has been very hotly anticipated.
Although each of the six episodes in the miniseries are focused
TV miniseries review: Good Omens (Amazon Prime, 2019), directed by Douglas Mackinnon
the 2019 miniseries adapted from the 1990 novel by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
With trailers out for the new TV miniseries
because the world needs more tightly-constructed, over-and-done miniseries
And the TV miniseries, a six-episode co-production
Television miniseries adaptation of Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's fantasy novel
will adapt Good Omens into a “comedic apocalyptic” miniseries
Both of you would do us all a favour if you would kindly step back for a while and wait for a broader range of views? MapReader ( talk) 12:10, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
So regarding the term limited series, is it really worth mentioning here that in almost every case a limited series has always been renewed on cable with great ratings or canceled and later coined as "one and done" by the TV media to avoid the obvious excuse that the ratings were awful? The term itself is quite clearly for PR purposes. This is why I find it quite odd that it should be used over miniseries on this article. Esuka ( talk) 21:36, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
As I don't see it (remaining) as a reference, but seeing that someone added in the latest info from another source a few days ago, just dropping the link https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dbdy here as probably the definitive current information for future showings (and, in the future future, a perpetual record of its original showing). Make of it whatever a regular wikeditor does, if you're one and feel like it. 62.31.138.5 ( talk) 14:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
If this is a British series (per the article itself), then why does the article use {{ Use mdy dates}}, and use American formats such as "season" instead of "series"? -- Alex_21 TALK 09:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
The official Twitter account for Good Omens teased at the new episode titles [21]. Is this a sufficient source, or should we wait for a more standard one like a TV Guide? I don't know how it works usually. CheeseWater6 ( talk) 07:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
There are a large amount of characters in Series 1 who did not return for Series 2, and likewise many characters who first appeared in Series 2. Maybe it would be wise to separate the actors listing by first starring (Tennant and Sheen), then the characters who are relevant in both series (example: Archangels), then the characters who only appear in one season each. Right now the cast listing is extremely disorganized - for example, Adam Young is listed as "starring" although he only appears in Series 1, then the Archangels are listed in different spots of "starring recurring" and "recurring" for whatever reason... Jaguarnik ( talk) 01:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)