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Should the name of the article be "Good News International Ministries"? I feel that it would be better to use the proper name. Patty J H ( talk) 20:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
See [1]. The two cases seem to be very similar (involving actual or attempted mass killing of followers), and Odero’s group is also based in Malindi. However, it’s not clear if they’re actually connected or not, or if they even share the same theology.
Mackenzie and Odero might be working together, but it could also just be a freakish coincidence. A third possibility is that it’s a social contagion/copycat incident where Odero was inspired by reading about Mackenzie in the news.
Regardless, a disambiguation is certainly in order now, since Mackenzie’s group is no longer the only “Malindi cult” in the news. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:7DBA ( talk) 19:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Charles Edward Many of the local media houses are referring to the Malindi Cult as the Shakahola massacre. I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to mention it in the article or leave it. See here
I also started started an article Ezekiel Odero (The second pastor) and maybe you can have a quick look when you have time. Thank you. Kelmaa ( talk) 20:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that using the group's official name is more in keeping with WP:NPOV, as well as being WP:CONSISTENT with how articles on cults are typically titled. It was also noted that the existing title, "Malindi cult", is an uncommon name for the group. Concerns were raised about the WP:RECOGNIZABILITY of the name "Good News International Ministries", but most participants do not seem to have been convinced by that argument. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Malindi cult → Good News International Ministries – Use of the term 'cult' is considered pejorative in the scientific study of new religious movements, and is a term rejected by the foremost academics and sociologists. It is a term that is mostly used to fuel religious prejudice, or to generate media hype, rather than develop the use of critical thinking skills when discussing controversial, or even non-controversial actions by persons in a religious minority. With those who discussed the issue on the talk page, we were in agreement with this new title name. Brown's the name ( talk) 18:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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Should the name of the article be "Good News International Ministries"? I feel that it would be better to use the proper name. Patty J H ( talk) 20:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
See [1]. The two cases seem to be very similar (involving actual or attempted mass killing of followers), and Odero’s group is also based in Malindi. However, it’s not clear if they’re actually connected or not, or if they even share the same theology.
Mackenzie and Odero might be working together, but it could also just be a freakish coincidence. A third possibility is that it’s a social contagion/copycat incident where Odero was inspired by reading about Mackenzie in the news.
Regardless, a disambiguation is certainly in order now, since Mackenzie’s group is no longer the only “Malindi cult” in the news. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:7DBA ( talk) 19:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Charles Edward Many of the local media houses are referring to the Malindi Cult as the Shakahola massacre. I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to mention it in the article or leave it. See here
I also started started an article Ezekiel Odero (The second pastor) and maybe you can have a quick look when you have time. Thank you. Kelmaa ( talk) 20:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that using the group's official name is more in keeping with WP:NPOV, as well as being WP:CONSISTENT with how articles on cults are typically titled. It was also noted that the existing title, "Malindi cult", is an uncommon name for the group. Concerns were raised about the WP:RECOGNIZABILITY of the name "Good News International Ministries", but most participants do not seem to have been convinced by that argument. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Malindi cult → Good News International Ministries – Use of the term 'cult' is considered pejorative in the scientific study of new religious movements, and is a term rejected by the foremost academics and sociologists. It is a term that is mostly used to fuel religious prejudice, or to generate media hype, rather than develop the use of critical thinking skills when discussing controversial, or even non-controversial actions by persons in a religious minority. With those who discussed the issue on the talk page, we were in agreement with this new title name. Brown's the name ( talk) 18:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)