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I just created this page.
And someone just put it up for deletion saying it was part spam part nonsense.
I really don't understand how it is possible to say this, since GHD is the biggest hair iron brand in the UK.
Not only this, but I even provided website backup on the page to prove what I was saying.
Write back?
xx
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 15:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
xx Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:15, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Clear example of spam, in my opinion. If this is not speedied, I'll nominate it for AfD, as I can't see how it is in any way encyclopedic. Duke of Whitstable ( talk) 13:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
THOSE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN BY ME THANK YOU VERY MUCH! AND I AM VERY ANGRY THAT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO THINK THEY WERE! GIVEN NO SUCH REASON TO! OMG HOW DARE YOU?!
and secondly, this is not spam! I have included several citations and pictures as it is!
like seriously?! what is your problem with it? Iamandrewrice ( talk) 13:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Iamandrewrice ( talk) 13:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Well ok I will try to rewrite it more neutrally, but can't you help as well?
and that Duke of Whitstable put it up for deletion... again...
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 14:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
what do you think of the whole thing now? (:
Iamandrewrice ( talk) 14:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean?!
The sources are all reliable that I found... I will go have a look at the dead link though...
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 14:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
well regardless of that... if that is now the only bit that isnt good enough, surely it does not need to be put up for deletion any more... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
But i don't think it needs that anymore, as surely 6 citations is enough to prove its notability? Oo Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
well to be honest i dont really no what else to say... like I have tried and tried to show you how famous the brand is... but being men (well I assume that from the 'Guy' and 'Duke' parts in your name), you seem to be completely oblivious to the women's brand, even though I must admit that many men use GHDs now anyway... but i just dont understand what more you want... go up to anyone in the street and ask them if they have GHD's, and they will understand. Ask someone if they have 'GHDd their hair' and most people will still understand... I just really dont get how you seem not to grasp the sheer scale of this company. Its like bigger than all the other hair iron company's here... but you list them... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok... answer me this truthfully... if the word 'ghd' were to become a word in the english language, other than the noun of the object of which it describes. For example, 'I am going to GHD my hair,' do you not think it surely must be notable?
Well, then try typing in this: "GHD'd hair" on google... and look at how many times it is used in verbial context.
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 15:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok i dont even want to know why you have searched those before... but that is besides the point... for instance, if I type in 'aqua penis' as you mention, on google, although there are many returns, few of them are actually related to the phrase 'aqua penis,' with those two words next to each other... whereas in my example, nearly all the returns had the wording used in context. Do you understand what I'm saying here? Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
THE ARTICLE IS NOW NOTABLE FOR SURE! im pretty sure anyway... well if its involved with some VERY famous fashion shows, im sure that contributes... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 16:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Your last point doesnt even make sense!
my advise to you would be to go take a good look at your contributions to wikipedia and see if you could better them! Rather than trying to disrupt this perfectly fine piece of work... i dont see anyone else complaining about it anymore... NO... only YOU!
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 16:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I have tried so so hard on this... and every time I do something, he simply argues that its never good enough, even though all the other users seem not to back up his oppinion anymore. I really do not see how it is currently still in an 'advertisement style' for a start. And secondly, i don't get why the fact that it has been involved in fashion shows, and burglaries, and whatever else is now mentioned on the page, does not make it 'notable'. Iamandrewrice ( talk) 16:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I am trying to improve it, but i really don't see what else there is to do apart from adding additional information and pictures about the product itself... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 16:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Here are some reviews:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews6033.html http://www.kelkoo.co.uk/prl_9445942/133401.html http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/hair-care/ghd-professional-ceramic-straighteners/reviews/ http://www.folica.com/GHD_Hair_Straig_r1936_1.html
...would they do? Iamandrewrice ( talk) 18:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ryan Hillen is not a founder of the company.
He's a guy in my ICT class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.215.106 ( talk) 20:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Is nowhere to be found in the reference.
"gay icon James McCallister introduced the idea to friends" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.233.207.40 ( talk) 15:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that this article is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, so much so that anyone would think it was written by someone from the marketing industry. Funnily enough, the style of the article also suggests this. The article needs quite a lot of work to bring it up to standard. ( Huey45 ( talk) 09:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC))
Run over this article and made a number of amends to remove the overt promotional references, particularly to relatively meaningless magazine awards and tenuous celebrity mentions. Sections on counterfeiting and model ranges also removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatmichaelsays ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There was a lot of spam on this page and I agree with the clean up. I thought a link to ghd-repair.co.uk would be quite useful as it gives a lot of info about how to repair these irons so people can repair them themselves. I've just read the linking guidelines and see that as I run that website then I should not add it, so I'll leave it to another editor to add if they agree! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.20.206 ( talk) 08:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia's style manual, as well as that of almost every major news outlet, the name ghd should actually be styled as GHD. You can see several examples from other websites by simply searching for "ghd" in Google News, and you can see Wikipedia's style guidelines for yourself [1]
The specific rule in question states:
With the exception that immediately follows, trademarks promoted without any capitals are capitalized like any other:
avoid: The television show thirtysomething is a television show that could have been sponsored by adidas, but not by craigslist, because the show was over before craigslist existed. instead, use: The television show Thirtysomething is a television show that could have been sponsored by Adidas, but not by Craigslist, because the show was over before Craigslist existed.
The exception is trademarks that begin with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter. These are often not capitalized if the second letter is capitalized, but should otherwise follow normal capitalization rules:
avoid: He said that EBay is where he bought his IPod. instead, use: He said that eBay is where he bought his iPod.
GHD falls into the first of these two categories. Should the GHD page be updated to reflect this policy?
Koyaanisqatsi69 ( talk) 06:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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I just created this page.
And someone just put it up for deletion saying it was part spam part nonsense.
I really don't understand how it is possible to say this, since GHD is the biggest hair iron brand in the UK.
Not only this, but I even provided website backup on the page to prove what I was saying.
Write back?
xx
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 15:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
xx Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:15, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Clear example of spam, in my opinion. If this is not speedied, I'll nominate it for AfD, as I can't see how it is in any way encyclopedic. Duke of Whitstable ( talk) 13:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
THOSE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN BY ME THANK YOU VERY MUCH! AND I AM VERY ANGRY THAT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO THINK THEY WERE! GIVEN NO SUCH REASON TO! OMG HOW DARE YOU?!
and secondly, this is not spam! I have included several citations and pictures as it is!
like seriously?! what is your problem with it? Iamandrewrice ( talk) 13:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Iamandrewrice ( talk) 13:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Well ok I will try to rewrite it more neutrally, but can't you help as well?
and that Duke of Whitstable put it up for deletion... again...
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 14:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
what do you think of the whole thing now? (:
Iamandrewrice ( talk) 14:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean?!
The sources are all reliable that I found... I will go have a look at the dead link though...
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 14:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
well regardless of that... if that is now the only bit that isnt good enough, surely it does not need to be put up for deletion any more... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
But i don't think it needs that anymore, as surely 6 citations is enough to prove its notability? Oo Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
well to be honest i dont really no what else to say... like I have tried and tried to show you how famous the brand is... but being men (well I assume that from the 'Guy' and 'Duke' parts in your name), you seem to be completely oblivious to the women's brand, even though I must admit that many men use GHDs now anyway... but i just dont understand what more you want... go up to anyone in the street and ask them if they have GHD's, and they will understand. Ask someone if they have 'GHDd their hair' and most people will still understand... I just really dont get how you seem not to grasp the sheer scale of this company. Its like bigger than all the other hair iron company's here... but you list them... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok... answer me this truthfully... if the word 'ghd' were to become a word in the english language, other than the noun of the object of which it describes. For example, 'I am going to GHD my hair,' do you not think it surely must be notable?
Well, then try typing in this: "GHD'd hair" on google... and look at how many times it is used in verbial context.
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 15:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok i dont even want to know why you have searched those before... but that is besides the point... for instance, if I type in 'aqua penis' as you mention, on google, although there are many returns, few of them are actually related to the phrase 'aqua penis,' with those two words next to each other... whereas in my example, nearly all the returns had the wording used in context. Do you understand what I'm saying here? Iamandrewrice ( talk) 15:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
THE ARTICLE IS NOW NOTABLE FOR SURE! im pretty sure anyway... well if its involved with some VERY famous fashion shows, im sure that contributes... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 16:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Your last point doesnt even make sense!
my advise to you would be to go take a good look at your contributions to wikipedia and see if you could better them! Rather than trying to disrupt this perfectly fine piece of work... i dont see anyone else complaining about it anymore... NO... only YOU!
Iamandrewrice (
talk) 16:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I have tried so so hard on this... and every time I do something, he simply argues that its never good enough, even though all the other users seem not to back up his oppinion anymore. I really do not see how it is currently still in an 'advertisement style' for a start. And secondly, i don't get why the fact that it has been involved in fashion shows, and burglaries, and whatever else is now mentioned on the page, does not make it 'notable'. Iamandrewrice ( talk) 16:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I am trying to improve it, but i really don't see what else there is to do apart from adding additional information and pictures about the product itself... Iamandrewrice ( talk) 16:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Here are some reviews:
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews6033.html http://www.kelkoo.co.uk/prl_9445942/133401.html http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/hair-care/ghd-professional-ceramic-straighteners/reviews/ http://www.folica.com/GHD_Hair_Straig_r1936_1.html
...would they do? Iamandrewrice ( talk) 18:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ryan Hillen is not a founder of the company.
He's a guy in my ICT class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.215.106 ( talk) 20:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Is nowhere to be found in the reference.
"gay icon James McCallister introduced the idea to friends" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.233.207.40 ( talk) 15:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that this article is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, so much so that anyone would think it was written by someone from the marketing industry. Funnily enough, the style of the article also suggests this. The article needs quite a lot of work to bring it up to standard. ( Huey45 ( talk) 09:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC))
Run over this article and made a number of amends to remove the overt promotional references, particularly to relatively meaningless magazine awards and tenuous celebrity mentions. Sections on counterfeiting and model ranges also removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatmichaelsays ( talk • contribs) 14:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There was a lot of spam on this page and I agree with the clean up. I thought a link to ghd-repair.co.uk would be quite useful as it gives a lot of info about how to repair these irons so people can repair them themselves. I've just read the linking guidelines and see that as I run that website then I should not add it, so I'll leave it to another editor to add if they agree! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.20.206 ( talk) 08:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia's style manual, as well as that of almost every major news outlet, the name ghd should actually be styled as GHD. You can see several examples from other websites by simply searching for "ghd" in Google News, and you can see Wikipedia's style guidelines for yourself [1]
The specific rule in question states:
With the exception that immediately follows, trademarks promoted without any capitals are capitalized like any other:
avoid: The television show thirtysomething is a television show that could have been sponsored by adidas, but not by craigslist, because the show was over before craigslist existed. instead, use: The television show Thirtysomething is a television show that could have been sponsored by Adidas, but not by Craigslist, because the show was over before Craigslist existed.
The exception is trademarks that begin with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter. These are often not capitalized if the second letter is capitalized, but should otherwise follow normal capitalization rules:
avoid: He said that EBay is where he bought his IPod. instead, use: He said that eBay is where he bought his iPod.
GHD falls into the first of these two categories. Should the GHD page be updated to reflect this policy?
Koyaanisqatsi69 ( talk) 06:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)